For the most part, I am not going to forsake giving the scriptural support for my statements....because people are watching who don't know the holy scriptures; and also, there are those here who have even in the past few days called me a heretic and a liar. Therefore I feel that I need to back up my statements with scripture, in order that the sound doctrine that I bring may be accepted in spite of those accusations.
If you're going to give scriptural support, please explain WHY you're posting a verse....I can't read your mind and you don't always explain it first.
I thought you said you were Nazarene. The Nazarene Church teaches that the second benefit amounts to being sanctified wholly, as defined in 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv). This is where I got it from.[/QUOTE]
I'm not Nazarene. I'm not Catholic.
I'm a Christian. I do believe that the Nazarene church is a very pure church.
If you check, you'll find that they do not teach entire sanctification as Wesley taught. I won't repeat this again. There's too much repeating with you and this conversation will have to come to an end.
Maybe you should stop reading the bible and start taking some theology classes with a good church? That might be of some help. The bible is not an easy book to understand if you want to dig deeper. You seem to be doing this on your own and you're not understanding some concepts.
I would suggest to you that you study the Early Church Fathers...the ones who were taught by the Apostles. This might be of help to you.
Once being purged from sins, the people would have had no more conscience of sins (Hebrews 10:2). That Jesus has purged our sins (where the blood of bulls and goats failed to do so) is evident from Hebrews 1:3.
The sanctified life is a life that is free from practical sinning. It is a life where you are walking in the repentance that God has granted to you; and do not commit in the practical sense the things that you did that were sinful before you became a believer. It indicates total and complete surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
I'll do my best. But I am still going to attempt to back up my words with scripture. If you don't understand what I'm saying, ask the Holy Spirit for illumination; because much of what I'm saying is from God's word and God's word requires illumination from the Spirit if we are going to understand it.
Yes, well, I dislike saying this, but you should stop reading God's word and study theology.
You are NOT understanding God's word if you think you could go thru life without sinning. Do you realize that JOHN, who had spent years with Jesus, states in 1 John that if you say you are without sin you are a liar?
1 John 1:10
1 John 2:1 IF anyone sins...means that one CAN sin.
The answer that I have given you is the traditional answer.
What answer? How about putting the question in your reply?
Says who what?
How about putting the question in your answer?
indeed it was what?
You sure don't make this easy.
Tell me, please, how it is that you think that these two things do not reconcile. To me, they are speaking of one and the same exact thing.
There's a difference between:
sinning
and
living a life of sin.
Explain the difference between 1 John 2:1
and 1 John 3:9
They contradict each other in your theology.
It means that we do not have to live according to who we used to be. We are not bound so that we cannot do anything but sin. We are made capable of walking in consistent holiness and righteousness through the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.
You're right, we do not have to live according to who we used to be.
But does that mean that we are made capable of walking in CONISISTENT holiness and righteousness through the indwelling of the Holy Ghost?
BTW, it's Holy Spirit.
So YOU never sin?
Because the Holy Spirit indwelling in you STOPS you from ever sinning?
I hope you realize that this means that all us po' folk that sin do NOT have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Only special persons such as yourself are granted this privilege put aside only for the very few select persons to whom God has given this incredible gift.
How do I figure what?
How about putting the question in your answer.
Unless you can come up with some NEW information, I believe we should end this conversation and you should begin a serious study in theology. Perhaps online or at a good church...Try it.