Please help me - I know it's Impossible, but I can't seem to prove how

[GodsGrace]

Well, this was short lived, she hasn't posted anything since June. To make a thread only to disappear shortly afterward seems like a waste of time. If the six day creation account has no cause, then where does that leave God? You don't need God if the universe and all life has no cause, because if it has no cause, then it has no creator, which henceforth means there is no God, and it seems like most don't even realize this. This is the only real conclusion one can get out of this, the implications are far reaching. It discredits the God of the Bible, and with that being the case, I might as well denounce my faith and worship Brahma, since there are certain sects within Hinduism that teach an eternal, cyclical, never ending universe without a real cause................. Perhaps she should have questioned this 'someone', this 'persons' religions affiliation that proposed this idea to her. Hot diggity damn, how convenient would it be for the secular, pantheistic, evolutionists if it were "proven" some day that the universe has no real cause. The very first words "In the beginning" from the Bible would no longer suffice, forever discredited in the eyes of the world as the mere ramblings of a Jesus freak..........

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How could the universe not have a cause?
EVERYTHING has a first cause.
What made everything come into being if not God?
Things made themselves?

Some scientists, worried that - Gee - maybe God DID make everything, are not investigating that NOTHING could really be SOMETHING. How desperate could a person get??

They've always said that something could not come of nothing, so now what? If it's proven that the universe had a beginning. (the big bang).

First Mr. Scientist said that the universe always existed. Then science discovered that, NO, it DID have a beginning.
That was problem never one -- they've never even proven how it began. Can't get beyond that last second before the big bang.
But they've always said that something could not come from nothing.

Now they've confirmed that it DID have a beginning.
Now what?
Now we have to prove that yes, something could come of nothing.
Interesting stuff.

 

[Dcopymope]

How could the universe not have a cause?
EVERYTHING has a first cause.
What made everything come into being if not God?
Things made themselves?

Some scientists, worried that - Gee - maybe God DID make everything, are not investigating that NOTHING could really be SOMETHING. How desperate could a person get??

They've always said that something could not come of nothing, so now what? If it's proven that the universe had a beginning. (the big bang).

First Mr. Scientist said that the universe always existed. Then science discovered that, NO, it DID have a beginning.
That was problem never one -- they've never even proven how it began. Can't get beyond that last second before the big bang.
But they've always said that something could not come from nothing.

Now they've confirmed that it DID have a beginning.
Now what?
Now we have to prove that yes, something could come of nothing.
Interesting stuff.

The universe having a beginning has been a huge problem for them as of late. They are now saying that due to the amount of matter and anti-matter present, the universe shouldn't exist at all because all of their models show that it would have destroyed itself from the jump. So they are basically saying that our very existence is a miracle. The universe NOT having a beginning would solve all of their problems, and its exactly this "startling revelation" that I am expecting to spring up at some point in the near future as apart of a major deception, what I strongly believe will have to be a major tenet of the lie of the 'strong delusion' Paul referred to.

Link: https://nypost.com/2017/10/25/the-universe-shouldnt-exist-according-to-science/

The current model for the birth of the universe predicts that equal parts of matter and antimatter were produced by the Big Bang.

But, since matter and antimatter are identical except for their opposite electrical charges, they annihilate each other — a reaction that fuels the starship Enterprise on “Star Trek.” When the two collide, they combust in a violent eruption, meaning none of anything should be here today.

 

[GodsGrace]

The universe having a beginning has been a huge problem for them as of late. They are now saying that due to the amount of matter and anti-matter present, the universe shouldn't exist at all because all of their models show that it would have destroyed itself from the jump. So they are basically saying that our very existence is a miracle. The universe NOT having a beginning would solve all of their problems, and its exactly this "startling revelation" that I am expected to spring up at some point in the near future as apart of a major deception, what I strongly believe will have to be a major tenet of the lie of the 'strong delusion' Paul referred to.

Link: https://nypost.com/2017/10/25/the-universe-shouldnt-exist-according-to-science/

Hi D
Yes. I knew this. Thanks for posting the link. It explains everything very simply and completely.

Right after the big bang, everything should have just exploded out of existance.

And, yes, if the universe had always existed, this problem would not exist.

THIS is why I don't trust scientists. They think they're God, but they can't even explain why we're here. At least WE can attribute it to God!

I always said it's easier to believe God made everything rather than to believe everything came from nothing. You never lose when you stick to God's words.

 

[Wafer]

Someone is claiming that Time, the Universe and Life forms could have just been here all along - without a cause.
Even with the expansion of the Universe and being affected by Time, the person claims that a life form could have had enough power to cause the universe to expand.
I Know this is wrong, but I can't seem to grasp and explain how. Please help me.

There are things we know, and things we think we know. People who think they know something are extremely reluctant to admit they might be wrong. All the intelligent people agree with them! There are endless examples of people believing purest nonsense.

Einstein is famous for his theories about time and stuff. His theories were never fully accepted and have been disproved, but it has not been politically expedient to publicly throw them out.

There is no evidence of an expanding universe. Edwin Hubble observed red shifted lilght but did not speculate on a cause. Others assumed the shift was due to Doppler Effect without considering other possible causes. That assumption is now the basis for about half of everything we think we know about the universe. Dark matter was invented in 1932 by Ian Oort to fudge his data to agree with his theory, and it is now the basis for the other half of everything we think we know about the universe.

The alleged scientific method:
1. Observe something.
2. Formulate a hypothesis.
3. Devise a test.
4. If the test fails, go to #2.
5. If the test passes and is confirmed, the hypothesis might be promoted to a theory and used to prove other hypotheses. And it might not.

The actual scientific method:
1. Formulate a theory.
2. Make a computer simulation.
3. Compare the simulation to observed data.
4. If they don't agree, find some way to adjust the data. If you can't adjust the data, ignore it.
5. Be sure your fellow scientists will agree with your findings, then publish.

(Edited to correct spelling.)

 

[CoreIssue]

Science says every effect has a cause.

Everything has a beginning and an end.

In the strictly physical universe that is true unless there is a nonphysical intervention, meaning God.

Science cannot explain the ultimate beginning.

They cannot tell you where matter, space and energy came from. All they say is they don't know yet.

Atheists will never know because by science they cannot find an answer.

God created the physical universe. He created the laws of physics to govern it.

There was nothing before Genesis 1:1 except God and the angels.

At the end of the MK God will loosen the atomic bomb holding everything together. There will be a fire on a universal scale.

Then he will reform it all back to what it was in Genesis 1:1. Free of decay and home for our glorified existence and for the unglorified existence of those in the lake of fire.

Eternity.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Someone is claiming that Time, the Universe and Life forms could have just been here all along - without a cause.
Even with the expansion of the Universe and being affected by Time, the person claims that a life form could have had enough power to cause the universe to expand.
I Know this is wrong, but I can't seem to grasp and explain how. Please help me.

Your basic responce is to ask, How, what and why?
What evidence do they have for that belief?
Why do they belief that when they have no evidence for it?
How do they explain this believe when scientific evidence points to the universe having a begining?


Try this link:-
Atheist gets her PhD in astronomy and astrophysics and finds evidence for God

At the foot of the page are many links to other fact based reasons for Christianity.

One point, be sure you can answer these questions about your belief, ask your minister to preach on them.