politically correct

[justaname]

God created all things.
John 1:3
Colossians 1:16
Romans 11:36
That would include evil, sin, hatred, and so on. Job 2:10

With that said God is Holy. God is the only good. God is love. God does not lie. God is sovereign. All of these can be supported by scripture.

God did not create Adam and Eve not knowing sin would enter the picture. Quite the ladder for we were conceived before time began. Ephesians 1:4 Titus 1:2
Being that we were chosen before the foundation of the world, He knew before He even created Adam and Eve mankind needed a Savior.

Again I think you need to see the perspective that we are all extras in God's blockbuster epoch about Him.

 

[veteran]

A revelation - the word 'politic' is not a bad word.

It's because the idea of 'civics' and 'government' are not bad words either. Even Christ's future Kingdom is referred to in Isaiah 9 with the idea of "government" (simply put for rule).

And what did our Lord Jesus say about His elect reigning with Him starting at His return???

Today's 'political correctness' doctrines include subversion of the very meaning origin of words like politics and government. I can't help but think that falseness is in order to drive Christians away from wanting to serve as stewards in civic positions to make a difference. That's exactly what our nation needs today, more responsible Christian leaders in government operating as good stewards, the way it mostly was in the early U.S.

 

[justaname]

To look at it from the plain text "politically correct", I think Daniel was an exemplary political servant. Being a great follower, makes you a great leader.
In the vain of common respect I again say yes, let us place no stumbling blocks before ourselves. But I have seen it become much more in relationships throughout humanity. To a point of entitlement, definitely acceptance, for sin behavior.
Would it be politically correct to say to a robber stop robbing me? How much less to tell a sinner to stop sinning in any other manner? What is guised to us as political correctness, and to what extent do we stop or begin for that matter? Take the issue to the moral side and I argue the moral need no correcting, but it is the immoral that need the correcting. I would venture to say politicians need correcting, and agree to the call for good stewards.
Kinda like a James Stewart :lol:
http://youtu.be/zWyEc7FAMTg

 

[lawrance]

I agree that political correctness is not necessary if everyone loved one another, but the reality is that people are far from loving towards one another. If everyone loved one another sin would not have enteered the world either.

Also, if loving one another is a solution for the need for political correctness then why are Christians oppossed to it? Every time we fail to be politically correct we should simply self correct by loving.

Frankly, the call for political correctness seems to be a call for a new social norm.....instead of minority groups being the only people called to politeness towards the majority........we are now held to the same standards we relating to people outside or race, gender, and class.

PC is a lie and living a lie. it's a tool used by Satan as it breeds foolish dictator types, the fact is it has got noting to do with God at all and i have come across people who love PC like a god and most of them are completely against Christianity full on and they are all socialist or communist types or just young foolish & brain washed.
Some people that call themselves christian and push PC are just fools who think it's them who are going to bring in the Kingdom.

A new social norm. boy that's a joke robing Christ. as it's a worldly consept that goes no were in depth but it looks ok on the surface but look a bit deeper and you find a kike.

So you think on the basis of people not loving others you can build on with that rubbish that has no true foundations.
Worldly worldly worldly!

 

[aspen]

You guys sure have strong opinions about this topic.

I think a definition of PC might help.....maybe a definition that doesn't include socialist or comie might be most helpful.

In my experience, I have noticed that PC can go too far - I've already mentioned that I got the stinkeye every time I called my spouse, 'my wife' in Eugene OR because gay people might feel excluded because they are not allowed to get married. My response was to ignore that unwritten rule and live with the consequences - I didn't get mad about it.

On the other hand, I have also noticed that some people who have trouble communicating effectively, blame the negative feedback they get on PC. My grandmother is a conspiracy theorist and she loves to use pronouns to describe the evil forces in the world - who shot Kennedy 'you know! It was one of THEM'. Her use of absolute language and pronouns are used for affect and because she is a poor commicator. Any attempt to clarify her statements is met with a frustrated 'you know!' And 'Stop being so PC! You are brainwashed by THEM and trying to discount the truth!'

Asking for clarification from a person who uses pronouns to describe every main subject and use of absolute language along with other poor communication tactics - namecalling, generalizations, gibberish, etc is not a request for PC language! It is a request for literacy!

'PC IS A LIE!'
What does that even mean?

 

[lawrance]

PC roots do not come from Christ at all but are mans works only.

 

[aspen]

PC roots do not come from Christ at all but are mans works only.

So does the English language. So what?

 

[FHII]

I agree. We are called to True love and nothing less. So how is True love different than the love of the world?

Was this a serious question?

Evil is not a force - it is a lack of good. The definition of evil relies on good, good does not rely on evil. The verse in Isaiah refers to natural calamities like earthquakes and tornadoes, not big E evil. The Devil sinned by glorifying his gifts - thereby misusing them as a means to an end. Then he suggested to Eve that she should misuse the tree by eating the fruit.

To believe that evil is a force opposing good is to believe in dualism, which is a heresy. God cannot sin - that doesn't mean that He is free to sin against Himself and call the sin good. Hypocracy is not apart of God's character. If it was, the devil and God would be equal in character.

I disagree with pretty much, if not all of what you said here. Furthermore, there are plenty of other verses which flat out say God created evil and sent it.

 

[aspen]

Was this a serious question?


I disagree with pretty much, if not all of what you said here. Furthermore, there are plenty of other verses which flat out say God created evil and sent it.

There is only one verse that I know of and it refers to calamities not big E evil. BTW, I certainly did not make the idea up - from Augustine to CS Lewis, Christians have recognized that evil is merely the absence of good.

 

[FHII]

There is only one verse that I know of and it refers to calamities not big E evil. BTW, I certainly did not make the idea up - from Augustine to CS Lewis, Christians have recognized that evil is merely the absence of good.

Ok.... Well, I suppose I will have to start another thread soon. Augustine and CS Lewis are fine, get them to come on the board and I'll ask them to explain it, and I'll ask them where does the Bible say it? In the mean time, I guess I'll have to settle for you! In your defense, John 8:44 and Romans 7:18 come close, but none that state evil is the absence of good.

 

[aspen]

Ok.... Well, I suppose I will have to start another thread soon. Augustine and CS Lewis are fine, get them to come on the board and I'll ask them to explain it, and I'll ask them where does the Bible say it? In the mean time, I guess I'll have to settle for you! In your defense, John 8:44 and Romans 7:18 come close, but none that state evil is the absence of good.

Heat is to Good as Cold is to Evil.

Adam and Eve, simply misused creation by eating the fruit. They misused themselves and the Tree. There was nothing magical about the Tree......if they misused a rock, it would be forever known as The Rock of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Lucifer misused himself and continued to misused other parts of God's Good Creation - namely, Adam and Eve.

Think about it, premarital sex is not a new creation - it is a bastardization of sex, which God created Good. It is the same with all evil.

 

[FHII]

Heat is to Good as Cold is to Evil.

Adam and Eve, simply misused creation by eating the fruit. They misused themselves and the Tree. There was nothing magical about the Tree......if they misused a rock, it would be forever known as The Rock of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Lucifer misused himself and continued to misused other parts of God's Good Creation - namely, Adam and Eve.

Think about it, premarital sex is not a new creation - it is a bastardization of sex, which God created Good. It is the same with all evil.

Ok.... Well, I suppose I will have to start another thread soon. Augustine and CS Lewis are fine, get them to come on the board and I'll ask them to explain it, and I'll ask them where does the Bible say it? In the mean time, I guess I'll have to settle for you! In your defense, John 8:44 and Romans 7:18 come close, but none that state evil is the absence of good.

 

[aspen]

Ok.... Well, I suppose I will have to start another thread soon. Augustine and CS Lewis are fine, get them to come on the board and I'll ask them to explain it, and I'll ask them where does the Bible say it? In the mean time, I guess I'll have to settle for you! In your defense, John 8:44 and Romans 7:18 come close, but none that state evil is the absence of good.

So your point of repeating the same post that you wrote before is that evil defined as lesser good is not explicitly stated in the Bible so it must not be true? The same thing can be said about the doctrine of the Incarnation of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity, yet both of these doctrines are part of the foundation of Christian orthodoxy. Both teachings involved centuries of thought and reasoning.

Also, creating evil is a sin. God cannot sin.

 

[FHII]

So your point of repeating the same post that you wrote before is that evil defined as lesser good is not explicitly stated in the Bible so it must not be true? The same thing can be said about the doctrine of the Incarnation of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity, yet both of these doctrines are part of the foundation of Christian orthodoxy. Both teachings involved centuries of thought and reasoning.

Also, creating evil is a sin. God cannot sin.

No, my point is that you didn't address my concerns. I repeated myself because you failed at that time to give me any Bible verse, yet relied on CS Lewis and Augustine as your backing. Both fine men, and I like CS Lewis, and have not read Augustine extensively (I can't comment on him, then.... I have not read all his works).

Incarnation of Christ I can show via the Bible. The Trinity I don't support. Never said I was othodox!

I'm about to post a new topic, which I believe you will find interesting. The bottom line is that yes, I believe God created evil, with a big E.

 

[aspen]

No, my point is that you didn't address my concerns. I repeated myself because you failed at that time to give me any Bible verse, yet relied on CS Lewis and Augustine as your backing. Both fine men, and I like CS Lewis, and have not read Augustine extensively (I can't comment on him, then.... I have not read all his works).

Incarnation of Christ I can show via the Bible. The Trinity I don't support. Never said I was othodox!

I'm about to post a new topic, which I believe you will find interesting. The bottom line is that yes, I believe God created evil, with a big E.

Yeah, I just saw your new thread and like what I read. I will take up the conversation over there.