ScottA
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Yes, the times of this world are the presentation of evidence, and afterward the Judgement.
Poll. Will we be judged when we die?
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Ronald Nolette
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Believers will be judged after death. It is called the Bema seat judgment and it is a judgment of our works to see if they are gold, silver, precious stones or wood, hay and stubble.
Unbelievers will be judged at the great white throne before being cast into the lake of fire.
Rockerduck
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All born from above believers are made righteous through Christ's atoning sacrifice on the Cross. 2 Corinthians 5:21 - He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Isaiah 1:18 - “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
All sins are gone and forgiven by Jesus Christ, Hebrews 8:12 - “For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And I will remember their sins no more.”
Romans 8:1- Therefore there is now, no Condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Isaiah 1:18 - “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
All sins are gone and forgiven by Jesus Christ, Hebrews 8:12 - “For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And I will remember their sins no more.”
Romans 8:1- Therefore there is now, no Condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Exactly! Which is why I believe believers stand before the judgment seat of Christ in life to give account according to what we have done in the body of Christ (church). So that believers will not have to stand before the great white throne judgment when Christ comes again to judge all who are clothed in mortal bodies of flesh. I believe believers in this life stand before Christ through His Spirit in us. When we are consciencely motivated to do or not to do according to the Spirit of Christ working in us to do what God is calling us to do, is when or the way believers stand before the judgment seat of Christ. We either obey or disobey what we know we are being called to do. When we obey in this life, we receive blessings (not rewards) from God, but when we go against the Spirit speaking through our conscience, we are not only denied blessings from God in this life, but we might also come under the chastening of God, because He chastens whom He loves.
When we stand before the judgment seat of Christ in life, we have no more fear of death at the great white throne of God because the second death no longer has any power over us.
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Christ will judge the living and the dead, meaning the saved and unsaved.
Believers though do not come under condemnation - damnation, they are not subject to the second death in the lake of fire.
Romans 14,
9 For to this end Christ both died, and arose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written: “‘As I live,’ saith the Lord, ‘every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.’”
2 Corinthians 5
9 Therefore we labor, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted by Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God, and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Believers though do not come under condemnation - damnation, they are not subject to the second death in the lake of fire.
Romans 14,
9 For to this end Christ both died, and arose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written: “‘As I live,’ saith the Lord, ‘every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.’”
2 Corinthians 5
9 Therefore we labor, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted by Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God, and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
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11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God, and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
What does this tell you about the consequences for disobedience? Or for obedience to God?
Cause one leads to wrath, death, destruction, and the other to eternal life.
Romans 6:16
Know ye not that to whomever ye yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants ye become whom ye obey, whether of sin which leads unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 16:26
but now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith,
2 Corinthians 10:5
casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ,
1 Peter 1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you and peace be multiplied.
What does this tell you about the consequences for disobedience? Or for obedience to God?
Cause one leads to wrath, death, destruction, and the other to eternal life.
- Ephesians 2:2
wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
- Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
- Colossians 3:6
Because of these, the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience,
Romans 6:16
Know ye not that to whomever ye yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants ye become whom ye obey, whether of sin which leads unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 16:26
but now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith,
2 Corinthians 10:5
casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ,
1 Peter 1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you and peace be multiplied.
While we are judged in this life, God's goal is our further sanctification in this life that we do not perish along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
There still exists a coming judgment at His return in the sight of all, both celestial beings and people just as Jesus describes in Matthew 25 where he separates the peoples of the nations individually, putting the justified on His right, and the cursed on His left.
2 Corinthians 5
9 Therefore we labor, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted by Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God, and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 25 - 21st Century King James Version
"Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten virgins, who took their lamps and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their...
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations, and He shall separate them one from another as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, ‘Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I hungered, and ye gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took Me in;
36 naked, and ye clothed Me; I was sick, and ye visited Me; I was in prison, and ye came unto Me.’
37 Then shall the righteous answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when saw we Thee hungering and fed Thee, or thirsty and gave Thee drink?
38 When saw we Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and clothed Thee?
39 Or when saw we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee?’
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.’
41 “Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I hungered, and ye gave Me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger, and ye took Me not in; naked, and ye clothed Me not; sick and in prison, and ye visited Me not.’
44 Then shall they also answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when saw we Thee hungering or athirst or a stranger, or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister unto Thee?’
45 Then shall He answer them, saying, ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me.’
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”
Psalm 9:8
And He shall judge the world with righteousness; He shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
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Psalm 96:10
Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth; the world also shall be established, that it shall not be moved; He shall judge the people righteously.
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Psalm 96:13
before the Lord. For He cometh, for He cometh to judge the earth; He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.
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Psalm 98:9
before the Lord. For He cometh to judge the earth; with righteousness shall He judge the world, and the people with equity.
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John 8:26
I have many things to say and to judge of you, but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.”
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John 12:47
47 And if any man hear My words and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day.
49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father who sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.”
John 16:11
concerning judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
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Acts 17:31
because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Romans 3:6
God forbid! For then how shall God judge the world?
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? Or what profit is there in circumcision?
2 Much in every way; chiefly because unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect?
4 God forbid! Yea, let God be true, but every man a liar. As it is written: “That Thou mightest be justified in Thy sayings, and mightest overcome when Thou art judged.”
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man.)
6 God forbid! For then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God through my lie hath abounded more unto His glory, why am I also yet judged as a sinner?
8 And why not say rather (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, that good may come”? Their damnation is just!
9 What then? Are we better than they? No, in no wise! For we have before proved that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin.
10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 there is none that understandeth; there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They have all gone from the way; they have together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit.” “The poison of asps is under their lips,”
14 “whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 destruction and misery are in their ways,
17 and the way of peace have they not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
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1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
And He shall judge the world with righteousness; He shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Psalm 96:10
Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth; the world also shall be established, that it shall not be moved; He shall judge the people righteously.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Psalm 96:13
before the Lord. For He cometh, for He cometh to judge the earth; He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Psalm 98:9
before the Lord. For He cometh to judge the earth; with righteousness shall He judge the world, and the people with equity.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
John 8:26
I have many things to say and to judge of you, but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
John 12:47
47 And if any man hear My words and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day.
49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father who sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.”
John 16:11
concerning judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Acts 17:31
because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Romans 3:6
God forbid! For then how shall God judge the world?
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? Or what profit is there in circumcision?
2 Much in every way; chiefly because unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect?
4 God forbid! Yea, let God be true, but every man a liar. As it is written: “That Thou mightest be justified in Thy sayings, and mightest overcome when Thou art judged.”
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man.)
6 God forbid! For then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God through my lie hath abounded more unto His glory, why am I also yet judged as a sinner?
8 And why not say rather (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, that good may come”? Their damnation is just!
9 What then? Are we better than they? No, in no wise! For we have before proved that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin.
10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 there is none that understandeth; there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They have all gone from the way; they have together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit.” “The poison of asps is under their lips,”
14 “whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 destruction and misery are in their ways,
17 and the way of peace have they not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
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Amen. I believe that is why, when we stand before Him listing off all our good deeds, He will say, "Depart from me. I never knew you." When we stand before Him, it will be by the blood of Christ alone that we are worthy to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
This speaks to the danger of trusting our own goodness which can never atone, trusting in our works rather than trusting in Jesus' finished work on the cross.
Hebrews 9:27
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
There is a coming judgment for all men after death.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment,
After physical death comes judgment.
But for the people of God who eagerly are waiting for Him to come a second time, they experience salvation from the evil age in which they live in the world.
When He comes is our deliverance but He also comes a second time for the people of the world to face judgment, and after they die, comes the judgment, they are subject to the second death in the lake of fire.
classic.biblegateway.com
30 The times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now He commandeth all men everywhere to repent,
31 because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”
Hebrews 9
24 For Christ has not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into Heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.
25 Nor yet should He offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place with blood of others every year;
26 for then would He have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once, in the end of the world, hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment,
28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto those who look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin, unto salvation.
Why without sin? Because He suffered once for sin and for believers, our sin has been forgiven us for the sake of His name.
So when He comes again, He comes in glory
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works.
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Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Mark 8:38
Whosoever, therefore, shall be ashamed of Me and of My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him also shall the Son of Man be ashamed when He cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My words, of him shall the Son of Man be ashamed when He shall come in His own glory and in His Father’s and of the holy angels.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment,
After physical death comes judgment.
But for the people of God who eagerly are waiting for Him to come a second time, they experience salvation from the evil age in which they live in the world.
When He comes is our deliverance but He also comes a second time for the people of the world to face judgment, and after they die, comes the judgment, they are subject to the second death in the lake of fire.
Bible Gateway passage: Acts 17 - 21st Century King James Version
Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica where there was a synagogue of the Jews. And Paul, as was his custom, went in unto them, and for three Sabbath days reasoned with them from the Scriptures, expounding and alleging that it was necessary for...
31 because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”
Hebrews 9
24 For Christ has not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into Heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.
25 Nor yet should He offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place with blood of others every year;
26 for then would He have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once, in the end of the world, hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment,
28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto those who look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin, unto salvation.
Why without sin? Because He suffered once for sin and for believers, our sin has been forgiven us for the sake of His name.
So when He comes again, He comes in glory
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Mark 8:38
Whosoever, therefore, shall be ashamed of Me and of My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him also shall the Son of Man be ashamed when He cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My words, of him shall the Son of Man be ashamed when He shall come in His own glory and in His Father’s and of the holy angels.
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Poll. Will we be judged when we die?
Yes.
However…not to overlook…
We are “judged”… repeatedly “during” our life time….
By other humans…
AND
By the Lord…
Glory to God,
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I’ve heard from several sources the experience is like watching a movie of your life played at fast speed. In other words, your own memory convicts or acquits you.
A pastor commented that our choices mark our soul so that our guilt or innocence is there for all to see, much like a person who over eats with the body reflecting those choices in an undeniable way.
Although I haven’t followed this thread closely, I find it surprising that ~ 1/4 of the Christians in this pole deny Judgment Day when we die.
Are you saying judged in the context of personal sins? Will we be judged for sins?... No! But neither will the unbelievers. Just as believers will not be judged for sins, the same is true of the unbeliever. In fact, all unbelievers will not be judged for sins. We are told that the unbeliever has been redeemed, and so has the believer.
Some get confused in the context of the believer at the judgment seat of Christ. This judgment is known as the BEMA. This judgment is only for the believers, and there is no condemnation/judgment to those in Christ Jesus. Just to bring out more of this context, the word BEMA is also translated Rewards Ceremony. This is what the BEMA means. We must all stand before Christ and give account for our works, whether they be good or worthless.
No, I would not agree!! Sins have nothing to do with the Christian's judgment. All sins have been paid for on the cross. Not even the unbelievers will answer for their sins. That is the message of Grace we are to tell unbelievers about. Only unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne. Sins is not the issue, but the Son is the issue.
2 Corinthians 5:10
New King James Version
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Yes, that is a reference to the Rewards Ceremony of the believer. The Greek word for "bad" is better translated "worthless." It is a reference to the believer's works.
IMO:
The phrase in 2Corinthians 5:10 is Greek αγσθον ειτε φαυλον.
In this phrase:
o. αγαθον= "good"
o. ειτε = or
o. φαυλον = "ordinary/expected/acceptable"
Hence "good or acceptable."
No punishment for believers, Jesus paid the debt (2Corinthians 5:10).
The phrase in 2Corinthians 5:10 is Greek αγσθον ειτε φαυλον.
In this phrase:
o. αγαθον= "good"
o. ειτε = or
o. φαυλον = "ordinary/expected/acceptable"
Hence "good or acceptable."
No punishment for believers, Jesus paid the debt (2Corinthians 5:10).
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