Post-Tribber's First Resurrection Explained

[JesusIsFaithful]

Most believers deny the pre tribulation rapture because of this one verse. ( There are other verses, but their main argument hinges on this particular one regarding the first resurrection ).

To start off, let us examine what group of saints that are being resurrected.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

See that word "which"? That signifies those that were beheaded as being of those which did not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.

So the only saints that are being resurrected are the ones that went through the great tribulation under the oppression of the mark of the beast system. No Old Testament saints are being resurrected and no other New Testament saints are being resurrected. Just those saints that went through the great tribulation.

Now may the Lord help you pay attention to His words next.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The use of the phrase; "this is the first resurrection" was to defer from the rest of the dead that will live again after the thousand years were finished. It was not saying that this was the only resurrection that had happened first to mean there was no resurrection before that, but to say that the resurrection of the saints that went through the great tribulation will happen FIRST BEFORE the rest of the dead be resurrected later on after the thousand years were finished.

 

[Questor]

That's not how I read it. Only the small group of Yeshua's own people are raised for the Millenium, and do not undergo any other judgement, and that is because we are a gift from G-d to Yeshua for his trouble. All the other Righteous and Un-Righteous dead are not raised until the Millenium is complete, and the world is changed so that it is back to the Eden like state it was in originally...and enormous, with no seas, just lakes, for the immense population.

And the Dead that are not in Yeshua are all judged by Yeshua, and go on to the Olam Haba if they survive it after being tested by fire...not fun, but allows for a lot of G-d's mercy. But note that the prophecies leave a lot of people outside of the New Jerusalem, even though they are allowed to live in the new creation/eternity or whatever it is.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all. not saying any are right or wrong, but consider this. Matthew 27:52 "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many".

So the only saints that are being resurrected are the ones that went through the great tribulation under the oppression of the mark of the beast system. No Old Testament saints are being resurrected and no other New Testament saints are being resurrected. Just those saints that went through the great tribulation.

but was not the O.T. prophets sawed asunder, and beheaded? Hebrews 11:36 "And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:Hebrews 11:37 "They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented"

Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

so the resurrection in Matthew 27:52 what resurrection was that?.

 

[Questor]

Those that died in Yeshua up until his return include the Righteous Jews under the temple System up to Yeshua's death that looked forward to his coming, as well as all Believers in Yeshua, Jew or Gentile after Yeshua's death AND return. If you recall, Yeshua stated that John the Baptist would be the least among the Saints in the Kingdom.

The group of Believers raised for the Millennial Kingdom are small in number compared to all the people that will survive the White Throne Judgement, and enter into the Kingdom of G-d, yet will still be a massive number. Believers in Yeshua who simply die naturally prior to Yeshua's return are still raised to be with him, but do not necessarily rule and reign with him, but simply be with him in the Kingdom. To 'Rule and Reign' with Yeshua is a reward kept for those that give their lives for the witness of Yeshua, or to those that use their talents and gifts appropriately for the furtherance of Yeshua's kingdom. However, you might want to be aware that ruling and reigning can be the equivalent of the DMV, or the police, and the court system, teachers and local administrators.

Revelation 6:9-11 (YLT)
9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony that they held,
10 and they were crying with a great voice, saying, `Till when, O Master, the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge and take vengeance of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'
11 and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to be killed--even as they.

Revelation 20:4-7 (YLT)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
5 and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; this is the first rising again.
6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,

The Millenium is only a tiny portion of the eternity of G-d's Kingdom, and is on this still unregenerate planet. All believers in Yeshua are raised to be with Yeshua from the moment he returns. Others that were Righteous prior to Yeshua enter into the Kingdom after the Millenium, including many who will receive Yeshua during the Millenium from the group of mortal humans who enter the Millenium.

The Millenium is the carrying out of the Promise to Abraham...the Israelites that are the remnant along with a scattering of the Nations who do not take the mark and survive to Yeshua's return re-populate the earth under Yeshua's peaceful, orderly rule. Many will come to faith in him, be made righteous, and be granted their portion in Eternity at the White Throne Judgement, and others fall at the final testing at the release of the Adversary for the final testing of those mortal beings.

 

[101G]

Others that were Righteous prior to Yeshua enter into the Kingdom after the Millenium, including many who will receive Yeshua during the Millenium from the group of mortal humans who enter the Millenium.

maybe I must have missed it, if those who rose in Matthew 27:52 are not in Christ Jesus where are they now?.

 

[Questor]

Matthew 27:50-53 (YLT)
50 And Jesus having again cried with a great voice, yielded the spirit;
51 and lo, the vail of the sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,
52 and the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who have fallen asleep, arose,
53 and having come forth out of the tombs after his rising, they went into the holy city, and appeared to many.


It's not a 'Resurrection' to an eternal body here...just like Lazarus was a mortal person raised to life, because they did not go with Yeshua, but just into the city. We are talking a huge blast of creative energy to raise AND change Yeshua into his immortal form, and apparently there was spillover to others...probably those recently dead, and in a city of a million in those days would have a lot of normal deaths daily...illness, accident and childbirth. They would live for a time, years even, but die naturally.

Raising from the dead was not considered impossible as it is now to those who are not aware of the miraculous...prophets had raised the dead prior to Yeshua.

 

[101G]

It's not a 'Resurrection' to an eternal body here...just like Lazarus was a mortal person raised to life, because they did not go with Yeshua, but just into the city.

Not saying that you're right or wrong. but consider this. #1. Lazarus was restores to natural life and not resurrected to eternal life. #2. these bodies have been in the grave longer than 3 day, (because they came out of the grave after our Lord). these saw corruption. so your second premise want apply here. those who are corrupt gets new bodies, not their old bodies. only the Living are changed. those corrupted, or have returned to the dust will have new bodies, scriptures, 1 Corinthians 15:42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body". now knowing this, these after Christ in Matthew's are in corruption, and clearly the word of God states, "It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

so my question still stand, is this resurrection in Matthews 27 the first resurrection. please give scripture to rebuke this as being the first resurrection. thanks in advance.

 

[Questor]

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (CJB)
20 But the fact is that the Messiah has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have died.
21 For since death came through a man, also the resurrection of the dead has come through a man.
22 For just as in connection with Adam all die, so in connection with the Messiah all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: the Messiah is the firstfruits; then those who belong to the Messiah, at the time of his coming;

 

[101G]

23 But each in his own order: the Messiah is the firstfruits; then those who belong to the Messiah, at the time of his coming;

are not those of Matthews 27 Yeshua's? yes or no.

 

[n2thelight]

Most believers deny the pre tribulation rapture because of this one verse. ( There are other verses, but their main argument hinges on this particular one regarding the first resurrection ).

To start off, let us examine what group of saints that are being resurrected.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

See that word "which"? That signifies those that were beheaded as being of those which did not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.

So the only saints that are being resurrected are the ones that went through the great tribulation under the oppression of the mark of the beast system. No Old Testament saints are being resurrected and no other New Testament saints are being resurrected. Just those saints that went through the great tribulation.

Now may the Lord help you pay attention to His words next.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The use of the phrase; "this is the first resurrection" was to defer from the rest of the dead that will live again after the thousand years were finished. It was not saying that this was the only resurrection that had happened first to mean there was no resurrection before that, but to say that the resurrection of the saints that went through the great tribulation will happen FIRST BEFORE the rest of the dead be resurrected later on after the thousand years were finished.

Did you notice the word (and)?

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

This verse refers to ALL who have died for Christ throughout time

Judgment is coming for the millions of Christian brothers and sisters who have lost their lives for the witness of Jesus Christ over the past two thousand years. Also receiving rewards are those that have not bowed to the Antichrist in the five month period of deception (coming up shortly), nor did they take his mark through the deception, nor accepted his ways (image) in their minds. If you believe in the rapture theory, you will worship Satan in error. Mark 13 and Matthew 24 makes it clear that the Antichrist will come first. The "rapture theory" teaches that you will be lifted out by the first messiah, and that first (false) messiah is the Antichrist.

Ezekiel 3:8, 9 tells us "our forehead" is our mind. The seal that is in our forehead is what we believe to be true in our minds. The "mark of the beast" is the knowledge you will possess in your mind. What you believe as truth will either cause you to be deceive, or prevent you from being deceived by the first (false) Christ into thinking he is the true messiah.

Now let's do the next verse

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have an eternal spiritual body until they are tested after the millennium. I Corinthians 15:50-52describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities. There are also two spiritual bodies, one eternal, the other perishable (mortal). Those who take the mark of the beast will not have their eternal bodies at the seventh trump. Instead they will have mortal spiritual bodies (liable-to-die), and have to be taught again to learn the difference between 'the holy from the profane' for 1,000 years and then be tested at the end of it to earn that eternal body by choosing Jesus Christ.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part -- which hinges on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the Spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to the earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or at any time from any century prior to the sounding of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and those who will see some take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him.

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[Questor]

I don't know what we are discussing at this point...in re-reading the OP, I may have mis-understood the question being asked. Not being pre-trib in my views may hinder me from answering the question properly...or even understanding it!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

GINOLJC, to all. not saying any are right or wrong, but consider this. Matthew 27:52 "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many".

but was not the O.T. prophets sawed asunder, and beheaded? Hebrews 11:36 "And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:Hebrews 11:37 "They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented"

Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

so the resurrection in Matthew 27:52 what resurrection was that?.

This is why I point to the word "which" in that verse. Those that suffered those things WHICH were under the oppression of the great tribulation can only pertains to the saints going through the great tribulation.

The O.T. saints did suffer the forementioned things but NOT UNDER the atmosphere of the great tribulation, and so it could not include them.

The O.T. saints were raptured with the pre trib raptured saints that were abiding in Him by His grace & by His help whereby those that were not abiding in Him & His words. were "excommunicated" from having fellowship at the Marriage Supper and thus left behind to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House which are those saints that will be resurrected after the great tribulation.

See the parallel as to why God is judging His House first in 1 Corinthians 5th chapter as the guideline for fellowship in the church to eat & drink with will also be the guidelines for the Marriage Supper.

That is why we need to pray and ask Jesus Christ for help as our Good Shepherd to help us abide in him & His words as kept in the KJV for keeping the faith which is the good fight as well as taking Him at His word that He will help us to follow Him since He will finish His work in us to His glory in Heaven.

 

[101G]

The O.T. saints did suffer the forementioned things but NOT UNDER the atmosphere of the great tribulation, and so it could not include them.

GINOLJC, to JesusIsFaithful. first thanks for the response. I must disagree, the OT saints was killed, tortured, ect... supportive scriptures, Hebrews 11:36-40 "And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect".
Now some of those things that happen to these OT saints, I say rank right up there with some good old tribulation points.

so I disagree, try something else please.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Did you notice the word (and)?

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

This verse refers to ALL who have died for Christ throughout time

Regardless of the word "and" , the word "which" includes the aforementioned in that verse to categorized them as of the great tribulation and of no other time period.

Judgment is coming for the millions of Christian brothers and sisters who have lost their lives for the witness of Jesus Christ over the past two thousand years. Also receiving rewards are those that have not bowed to the Antichrist in the five month period of deception (coming up shortly), nor did they take his mark through the deception, nor accepted his ways (image) in their minds. If you believe in the rapture theory, you will worship Satan in error. Mark 13 and Matthew 24 makes it clear that the Antichrist will come first. The "rapture theory" teaches that you will be lifted out by the first messiah, and that first (false) messiah is the Antichrist.

Jesus is testifying to different moments in the future as they are not all of the same time period. There is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation which will occur after the rapture of the few abiding believers in Christ because of the falling away from the church.

If you believe the antichrist will arrive first, the apostle John has already testified that there have been many antichrists which lures believers away from the faith already back in his day.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The son of perdition has not come yet, but many have taken the place of Christm the Son, in leading many astray. Antichrist as used in scripture means those that lead astray from the Son; as in "instead of Christ" or more aptly "instead of the Son".

Ezekiel 3:8, 9 tells us "our forehead" is our mind. The seal that is in our forehead is what we believe to be true in our minds. The "mark of the beast" is the knowledge you will possess in your mind. What you believe as truth will either cause you to be deceive, or prevent you from being deceived by the first (false) Christ into thinking he is the true messiah.

Now let's do the next verse

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have an eternal spiritual body until they are tested after the millennium. I Corinthians 15:50-52describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities. There are also two spiritual bodies, one eternal, the other perishable (mortal). Those who take the mark of the beast will not have their eternal bodies at the seventh trump. Instead they will have mortal spiritual bodies (liable-to-die), and have to be taught again to learn the difference between 'the holy from the profane' for 1,000 years and then be tested at the end of it to earn that eternal body by choosing Jesus Christ.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part -- which hinges on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the Spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to the earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or at any time from any century prior to the sounding of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and those who will see some take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him.

revelation20

The mark of the beast can not be of the mind as you put it when it involves also the hand for buying and selling whereas not the mind, but the forehead that contains the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I submit to you that the mark of the beast is the biochip that will enable people to buy and sell. It can be applied under the skin to buy and sell, and so it can be done to the hand or the forehead. They are using it now in Europe BUT it is not the mark of the beast yet because that is NOT the only means to buy and sell. It is when the New World Order comes into reality where the only means of buying and selling to be a part of this new world order is to have the mark that enables you to buy & sell to survive in this new world order.

That is why christians will die because they will not be able to buy and sell and so starved out and exposed to the elements where some will be hunted down to be killed.

But yes, in preparing for the pre trib rapture... to escape the hour of temptation that shall try all on the earth, we need to trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to make our minds and hearts right with Him before the Bridegroom comes.

Psalm 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Believers in the great tribulation will not be taking the mark of the beast to buy & sell and so this warning above applies to the times we are living in now as we are to pray now that He will help us to abide in Him & His words as well as help us to be ready to go when it is time to escape what is coming on the earth.

Revelation 3:10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Those not found abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes, will be cast into the great tribulation... unless they repent with His help before He appears.

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So judgment is coming on the House of God first to deal with the falling away from the faith and then He will come to deal with that son of perdition.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

 

[101G]

I must agree with n2thelight, "our forehead" is our minds". and the hands are the work of the mind. other word just as iniquity is to sin. sin is spiritual, and the only way one can tell sin is when it is manifested by works. for example, if a man lust after a woman that's a sin, but until he and she get's in the bed then it is manifested. so what's in the head is manifested by the hands, and the hands is singified in labor. scripture, John 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed". here is the buying and selling, Isaiah 55:1 "Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price".

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

GINOLJC, to JesusIsFaithful. first thanks for the response. I must disagree, the OT saints was killed, tortured, ect... supportive scriptures, Hebrews 11:36-40 "And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect".
Now some of those things that happen to these OT saints, I say rank right up there with some good old tribulation points.

so I disagree, try something else please.

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

I agree that the scripture you had pointed out says they were killed for their faith, but did it say beheaded? No.

But Revelation says they were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God......so there is no way you can include O.T. saints in that "resurrection" which only pertains to saints coming out of the great tribulation.

O.T. saints will be resurrected with those N.T. saints abiding in Him as His disciples to be taken up to meet the Lord in the air to be forever with the Lord at the pre trib rapture event.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

The Bridegroom will receive the bride for the Marriage Supper with O.T. saints & N.T. saints after judging His House first at the pre trib rapture event.

That is why the O.T. saints are not mentioned as coming out of the great tribulation.

 

[101G]

I agree that the scripture you had pointed out says they were killed for their faith, but did it say beheaded? No.

I see you didn't read the OT, John the baptist was beheaded, and he's OT. just an example.

But Revelation says they were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God......so there is no way you can include O.T. saints in that "resurrection" which only pertains to saints coming out of the great tribulation.

was not ABRAHAM preached the Gospel the word of God? let's see, Galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed".
I believe you need to reconsider what when and where the gospel, the word of God was preached.

so try again.

 

[n2thelight]

The mark of the beast can not be of the mind as you put it when it involves also the hand for buying and selling whereas not the mind, but the forehead that contains the mark of the beast.

In the below scripture you think the seal gonna be on the forehead as well?

Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

One will either have the mark or the seal

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I see you didn't read the OT, John the baptist was beheaded, and he's OT. just an example.

The testimony of John the Baptist's is in the New Testament. It is not in the Old Testament. John the Baptist was preparing the way for the Lord of the New Covenant; John the Baptist was hardly representing anything of the Old Covenant when he was addressing the inner man and not what religious people do by their outward appearance of religious works.

was not ABRAHAM preached the Gospel the word of God? let's see, Galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed".
I believe you need to reconsider what when and where the gospel, the word of God was preached.

I believe you should be the one to reconsider when the gospel was preached when God would justify the heathen through faith as this was preached BEFORE the gospel unto Abraham. That is like saying, Before the gospel was preached, the example of God justifying the heathen through faith was unto Abraham. They did not preach the gospel back then before Jesus incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and His ascension.

If you read in Hebrews 11th chapter, Abraham had not received the promise yet because Jesus had not come yet so you can align the truth you have reading Galatians 3:8 with that truth in Hebrews 11:13 in context below.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

So you read Galatians 3:8 wrong.

The purpose of referring to Abraham was him believing God at His word by Whom we are to believe in Him is HOW we receive eternal life after His ascension to the Father for when the promise of the permanent indwelling holy Ghost would come at our salvation in being born again of the Spirit.

so try again.

It is on Him to minster and to cause the increase. I am nothing to think that I can convince you of anything.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

In any discussion, all things are to be proven by Him if any believer seeks to follow Him in truth, otherwise, there can be no edification nor correction nor growth in our walk with Him in the knowledge of Him if we are taking a stance just for the sake of argument as if to save face that we are never in the wrong.

1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Better to be pruned by Him to be more fruitful than not at all.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

 

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In the below scripture you think the seal gonna be on the forehead as well?

Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

One will either have the mark or the seal

The seal of our adoption Whom is the Holy Ghost will not be a biochip that enables believers to buy & sell. Only the mark of the beast is what enables the damned to buy and sell in the New World Order.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 1:22Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

This is why I believe Revelation 7:3 is referring to the seal of adoption; the promise of the Spirit at our salvation. When the everlasting gospel will be preached by the first angel after the pre trib rapture, that is when new believers will be sealed as the Lord will keep their souls as they and those saints not found abiding in Him but were in iniquity and thus left behind as they face the coming fire on the earth, and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.