Preachers of the Law
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Desire Of All Nations
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Read the Law of Moses. I don't know of anyone who obeys it, but some still preach it.
Desire Of All Nations
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How is asking for proof means i don't obey the Law, and why is it so funny to you?
If someone doesn't murder, doesn't commit sexual immorality, doesn't steal, or dishonors their parent, they are obeying the Law. As Paul taught in Rom. 2, just about most people knows somebody that is obeying some part of the Law, even if they don't fully know or accept what it requires of them.
Rudometkin
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If you don't fully obey the entire law perfectly, then you are guilty of breaking it. None of us can obey the law... If we could, we wouldn't need Jesus!
Brakelite
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Here we go again. Round and round the lawberry bush. One says no-one obeys the law, but fails to mention which law. Another says if someone doesn't commit adultery, steal, lie, or murder, they are obeying those laws. Then a third chimes in and says you must obey the whole law of Moses to be innocent. And because everyone fails to tell the whole truth, the entire thread goes down the gurgler after the third post. No-one becomes any the wiser, no-one is given any real understanding, no-one is encouraged in obedience, the law becomes an enemy and so do we. Great start to what could be an enlightening discussion... If everyone was honest and willing to learn.
Rudometkin
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What is the "whole truth"? You failed to tell it. :) You seem to be frustrated with your own contribution.
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Brakelite
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The confusion sown on these threads about law, grace, obedience and faitht reflects the shallowness of understanding of scripture and the unwillingness of the church to present herself holy and without blemish.
Rudometkin
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You have failed to tell the "whole truth" about "Law, Grace, Obedience and Faith".
What are you reflecting? :)
Brakelite
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I would only add to the confusion as most would reject my perspective, regardless how 'true' it might be. Better that people study such things for themselves leaving behind their preconceived ideas.
You fail to see the curse the law carries for those who seek righteousness through it.
“For as many as are of the works of
the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
“For as many as are of the works of
the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Brakelite
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Yep, all that is absolutely true. It's scripture. But does that in any way nullify the law, and make the obligation to obey God's Commandments any the less imperative?
Brakelite
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Because you are correct... It is futile to seek righteousness through the law. But is the seeking for righteousness elsewhere a bad thing, (remember
KJV Matthew 6:33
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.)
and are there motivations to obedience other than seeking righteousness?
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Ferris Bueller
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True, but there are parts of it that have been fulfilled and don't need fulfillment any longer.
The 'whole law' is a misguided argument because it's never argued the way James and Paul argue it.
True, again, but regarding the parts that remain to be literally kept by us, that's where the forgiveness of God comes in.
Many people assume upholding the law means sinless perfection, and so they cast it away on that basis. That's a very misguided understanding of the law.
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Brakelite
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quietthinker
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Law is better than anarchy isn't it? ....or do some here prefer anarchy?
Do some imagine throwing law to the dogs a solution? If not, what is proposed as a solution to lawlessness?
Do some imagine throwing law to the dogs a solution? If not, what is proposed as a solution to lawlessness?
Ferris Bueller
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But we don't cast away the instruction of the law because it doesn't change mans heart. We lay it aside in regard to attaining righteousness, but we do not lay aside it's instruction.
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