Prentis
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Yes. Whenever they are presented as one and the same, I can't help but think 'Why aren't we told to eat a Bible then, that Christ might dwell in us?' :lol:
(On a humoristic note...)
(On a humoristic note...)
Prentis states....
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Prentis
Like I said.
Because you hold the false doctrine of the Trinity you are unable to understand that the same word Col 3:16 which is to dwell in us is the same Word that God placed in His son.
Jesus is the Word.....made flesh!
Not merely the Word itself…the Word of God wrought his existence and he became the Word manifested completely in the Flesh.
Paul, as well as Moses, declared,
‘there is no other God but One, and having so said, ‘For though there be that are called gods, whether in the heaven or upon the earth (as there are gods many and lords many); but to us there is One God the Father, out of whom all things, and we for Him; and One Lord Jesus Anointed, on account of whom all things and we through him. Howbeit the knowledge is not in all.’(1 Cor 8:4,5,6,7.)
Here then we have good authority for saying that in the universe there are many gods and many lords; but that over and above them all is ONE SUPREME, who is styled the Blessed and Only Sovereign; King of kings, and Lord of lords; the only one having deathlessness, ‘inhabiting light unapproachable, whom no man hath seen, nor can see. 1 Tim. 6:15
He is God of gods, whose existence He Himself admits in saying to Israel, ‘I am Yahweh, thy Elohim. . . . There shall not be to thee other Elohim above me.
Prentis, until you understand the sovereign power of the Almighty this discussion will never be resolved.
We are caught between truth and error and the two cannot be one.
Conclusion:
It appears your vocabulary cannot take me back to the source of truth and power. God (or Yahweh) is not in your spiritual vocabulary, and therefore you are unable to elevate the Word of His Power beyond Jesus Christ. Though the Master did so until death!
Unlike Paul’s example in Rom 7:25 you thank confusion 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 many gods are in your mind!
In time and with much study these truths may be revealed to you. I have endeavoured to show you that all God's Children, of which Christ is but one! An essential life giving one, but a child nonetheless.
Jesus taught you that all Glory should go to the Father.
In your current state you want to speak of the radiance of the Glory – I know the radiance is Christ but the Shekinah Glory is Yahweh his Farther Rom 1:3 Jesus is not the Most High Father but the son Dan 5:18
Please feel obliged to speak about the radiance (Christ) of the Glory but eventually you will be bought to know the Sole source of that Glory
I will leave with What God achieved through His Word reconciling the World to Himself through an obedient loving Son.
"When thou (God) shalt make his (Christ's) soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord (Yahweh) shall prosper in his hand" (Isaiah 53:10).
Amen
Prentis
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As it says, Jesus was the Word from the beginning, and all things were made in him. :)
Jesus testified of the Father, and the Father testified of him. They are one.
Jesus testified of the Father, and the Father testified of him. They are one.
Yes
As it says, Jesus was the Word from the beginning, and all things were made "in" him. :)
God (by His Word) was "in" Christ reconciling the World to himself. (2 Cor 5:19 of course this makes Jesus Christ the work of the Father, a work which had a begninning and an end and then of course eternity.)
Jesus testified of the Father, and the Father testified of him. They are one. (ONE in purpose not in person)
() added for truth
Of course this is how is said that all things were created for him an by him. It was on account of what the Father would do in this creation would have its central purpose in Christ
And that we would agree on.
Prentis
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Christ is the means by wish God reconciled us, but God tells us that HE himself is the one who redeems and reconciles us. :)
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
God himself has come to save his people, thus Christ is the perfect sacrifice.
Nothing is equal to God, yet it is said of Jesus that he did not consider equality with God a thing to be prized, but came down. Jesus is God in the flesh. It is God incarnated, denying his very own power, to be clothed with a mortal body, and work by those rules.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
God himself has come to save his people, thus Christ is the perfect sacrifice.
Nothing is equal to God, yet it is said of Jesus that he did not consider equality with God a thing to be prized, but came down. Jesus is God in the flesh. It is God incarnated, denying his very own power, to be clothed with a mortal body, and work by those rules.
I am pretty much in agreement with Insight's identification of Christ per what I have seen here.
It is a common mistake that people think being in the divine nature means Jesus must be God. What does it matter anyway, he is blessed (glorified) by his Father to have all the power and he is such a faithful Son that when he speaks we can be sure what he speaks is of his Father. Some things are just fruitless to debate. Even Jesus said, John 7:18 "He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him."
And he said, John 5:41 "I receive not honour from men."
Was he saying that he wanted honor from men but men would not give it to him? No way. He said he does not accept honor from men. That word translated "receive" there is:
lambano -- pronounced: lam-ban'-o
a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is use only as an alternate in certain tenses; to take (in very many applications, literally and figuratively (properly objective or active, to get hold of; whereas 1209 is rather subjective or passive, to have offered to one; while 138 is more violent, to seize or remove))
Do you see what I highlighted in red? It would be 1209 "dechomai" if he meant they just do not give honor to him. And that thought harmonizes with what he said there at John 7:18 as well as a few other places.
He does accept obesiance such is shown any earthly king. He sits on the throne of David which was given him by the Father. he thus deserves our obesiance and certainly far more than any earthly king.
It might surprise you to know Prentis that I see the subject hell quite differently than most, also.
It does take research as the translation of the Bible is man's work. The original writings were all that were inspired and they are long gone, having been passed to us through copiests, which is a good thing else we would have religions built around worshipping those original writings like idols.
Insight is right that it takes diligent study. If one has the fatih and love to motivate them that should be no problem for them but a thing they rejoice in.
It is a common mistake that people think being in the divine nature means Jesus must be God. What does it matter anyway, he is blessed (glorified) by his Father to have all the power and he is such a faithful Son that when he speaks we can be sure what he speaks is of his Father. Some things are just fruitless to debate. Even Jesus said, John 7:18 "He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him."
And he said, John 5:41 "I receive not honour from men."
Was he saying that he wanted honor from men but men would not give it to him? No way. He said he does not accept honor from men. That word translated "receive" there is:
lambano -- pronounced: lam-ban'-o
a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is use only as an alternate in certain tenses; to take (in very many applications, literally and figuratively (properly objective or active, to get hold of; whereas 1209 is rather subjective or passive, to have offered to one; while 138 is more violent, to seize or remove))
Do you see what I highlighted in red? It would be 1209 "dechomai" if he meant they just do not give honor to him. And that thought harmonizes with what he said there at John 7:18 as well as a few other places.
He does accept obesiance such is shown any earthly king. He sits on the throne of David which was given him by the Father. he thus deserves our obesiance and certainly far more than any earthly king.
It might surprise you to know Prentis that I see the subject hell quite differently than most, also.
It does take research as the translation of the Bible is man's work. The original writings were all that were inspired and they are long gone, having been passed to us through copiests, which is a good thing else we would have religions built around worshipping those original writings like idols.
Insight is right that it takes diligent study. If one has the fatih and love to motivate them that should be no problem for them but a thing they rejoice in.
Prentis
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I do not disagree we should study the scriptures, and do think it is wise to apply ourselves to it.
Only men worship the scriptures we have as idols just the same.
It is also my belief that God has preserved his word, and we do have scripture with us that is full of his truth. And debating on this would be of no avail. :)
Only men worship the scriptures we have as idols just the same.
It is also my belief that God has preserved his word, and we do have scripture with us that is full of his truth. And debating on this would be of no avail. :)
I sense some back peddling going on here.
You are still a long way from understanding the “Engrafted Word”...only time will tell if you are teachable Prentis.
So let’s go over yet again - - until you yield to its truth.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls (lives).
Jas 1:21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls (lives).
First check context: James is speaking about the Power of the implanted Word of God in the mind of a believer (i.e The Scriptures)
The ESV as you see renders this as "the implanted word". The word of God is likened to a seed (1 Pet. 1:23) that can be planted in the soil of the mind, there to bring forth fruit according quality of the soil into which it is sown (See also Matt. 13:3-9).
That word is necessary to bring forth fruit pleasing to Yahweh; it must become the dynamics of our life in Christ: the ''power of God unto salvation' (Rom 1:16). Therefore, the daily reading of the Bible is essential to true spiritual growth; there will be no satisfactory development without it.
"Which is able to save your souls" James 1:21
The Word (Scriptures) is absolutely essential to salvation. So much so, that Paul described it as "the word of this salvation" (Acts 13:26KJV; see 1 Cor. 15:1,2KJV).
Other Supporting references 2 Tim 3:15,16,17; Heb. 2:3
You are still a long way from understanding the “Engrafted Word”...only time will tell if you are teachable Prentis.
So let’s go over yet again - - until you yield to its truth.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls (lives).
Jas 1:21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls (lives).
First check context: James is speaking about the Power of the implanted Word of God in the mind of a believer (i.e The Scriptures)
The ESV as you see renders this as "the implanted word". The word of God is likened to a seed (1 Pet. 1:23) that can be planted in the soil of the mind, there to bring forth fruit according quality of the soil into which it is sown (See also Matt. 13:3-9).
That word is necessary to bring forth fruit pleasing to Yahweh; it must become the dynamics of our life in Christ: the ''power of God unto salvation' (Rom 1:16). Therefore, the daily reading of the Bible is essential to true spiritual growth; there will be no satisfactory development without it.
"Which is able to save your souls" James 1:21
The Word (Scriptures) is absolutely essential to salvation. So much so, that Paul described it as "the word of this salvation" (Acts 13:26KJV; see 1 Cor. 15:1,2KJV).
Other Supporting references 2 Tim 3:15,16,17; Heb. 2:3
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