Preventing Colorado type shooting

[joshhuntnm]

I was talking to someone at church today about how we as a society could prevent shootings like the ones this week in Colorado. His suggestion--encourage everyone to carry guns. If 10% of the population carried guns the gunman would not have gotten off a third shot.

What do you think about this idea?

 

[veteran]

Answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCeqa65pxos&feature=player_detailpage

Couple more days and Hillary Clinton is preparing to sign away U.S. 2nd Ammendment rights for private citizen firearm ownership to the U.N. Call your senators and congress now!

 

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I was talking to someone at church today about how we as a society could prevent shootings like the ones this week in Colorado. His suggestion--encourage everyone to carry guns. If 10% of the population carried guns the gunman would not have gotten off a third shot.

What do you think about this idea?

An armed society is a polite society.

It is a recognized fact, even in the animal and plant kingdom, that living creatures have a natural right to defend themselves, their families and their property against attack. Liberty stands or falls upon the citizens right to self defense. History teaches us that those who insist on removing this god given right are least likely to support liberty at all.


"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC


"The role of government is to rein in the rights of the people."
- Bill Clinton

 

[aspen]

how about stop selling assault rifles?

 

[veteran]

The 2nd Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution was not for the national guard, but for the people. And not just for citizens right to hunt. It was included to prevent tyrrany, against enemies both foreign and domestic. An armed society cannot be taken over. The Jews of the holocaust learned that the hard way. The false ones in government are way more scared of the people than the people are of them, and they should be.

 

[aspen]

And if people want to bear automatic weapons, they can join the national guard and receive training.

 

[veteran]

The 2nd Ammendment only specifies "arms". It does not distinguish what kind like gun control freaks want to do. The established pattern of arms when that Ammendment was written involved arms like the minutemen carried, rifles and pistols, but it was obviously left unspecific in the 2nd Ammendment language because the meaning is whatever kind of 'arms' are necessary to prevent overthrow of the people by foreign or domestic threat.

In Switzerland today, the citizens are issued automatic weapons and ammo by the government to keep in their homes, with the responsibility of training with them every year, and keeping a certain amount of ammunition for emergency. That's how the American colonial minutemen functioned, but did not exclude all other citizens from bearing arms. That's why the 2nd Ammendment specifically states bearing arms is a right of the people that shall not be infringed. When the U.S. Constitutional language specifies a right of the "people", it never... means the government.

 

[Hitch]

. When the U.S. Constitutional language specifies a right of the "people", it never... means the government.


Exactly.The implication of the2nd is clear in that light. The people are armed with the intent to check government.

 

[Prentis]

Self defense is a fitting carnal response to violence... But not what we are called to in Christ.

For the world to think of how it can defend itself is natural... But when those who are called to be God's children do, we have a problem. If we are minding the things of this world... Somewhere we are not minding God's business.

 

[Episkopos]

Keep the lights on!!!!

 

[veteran]

Self defense is a fitting carnal response to violence... But not what we are called to in Christ.

For the world to think of how it can defend itself is natural... But when those who are called to be God's children do, we have a problem. If we are minding the things of this world... Somewhere we are not minding God's business.

That's ignorance, since Christ nowhere told us we don't have the right to defend ourselves. Can't use that smack on the face idea either, since that is not a situation demanding usage of arms for self-defense. But Christ's command to His disciples in Luke 22 to go buy a sword is.

The position you're coming from is World Socialism, which are the ones specifically that want to take away people's right to self-defense so the evil powers in this world can destroy God's people. Wait until you have a wife and children and we'll see if you push the same old Socialist story you're doing here.

 

[Strat]

I was talking to someone at church today about how we as a society could prevent shootings like the ones this week in Colorado. His suggestion--encourage everyone to carry guns. If 10% of the population carried guns the gunman would not have gotten off a third shot.

What do you think about this idea?

"We" as a society are corrupt and rotten to the core and breed this kind of violence,we will never prevent anything,more than likely we will pass stupid feel good laws that just provide killers more victims....i am amazed at how Americans can still refer to the American collective as good when we as the collective have completely turned our backs on all decency and self respect and anything having to do with God....America's pride will endure to the end i guess.I am speaking stricly in the collective and not individually...i know there are still good people in Americ but they are vastly outnumbered,hesitant and/or fearful to speak out and are not getting very much done these days.

 

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America has always been a land of war and murder, but we are not alone in suffering human death from armed madmen.

A year ago in Norway, almost to the day of the Aurora killings, a murderer killed 87 people. No one can own a gun there without a permit to carry and no automatic or semi-automatic weapons can be traded or sold unless permanently deactivated, yet the killings happened.

The question arises once more as to what would NOT have happened in Norway or in Aurora if armed citizens had been on the scene.

Remember this - when seconds count the police are minutes away. In Aurora the cops were only a minute and a half away, but even that short span of time wasn't enough to prevent the carnage.

There remains only a line from a WWI song to quote as a bit of advice to everyone....

"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Foreigner]

Rjp is correct.
I used to live in a very rural town in MN several years ago. 11 miles south of town on a small farm, a mother and two children were home alone (the husband was away in Minneapolis).

About 11:30 at night after she tucked her kids in, she saw a car park about a quarter-mile away and three men got out walking towards their house.
The doors were locked and she started turning on all the lights to let them know people were home.

The men went around to the side of the garage and kicked in a side door. They then started trying to force open the door into her kitchen.
She called the sheriff's dept number from near the phone, grapped her hubby's handgun and yelled that she was armed.

She yelled that she had called the Sheriff's dept. but they kept trying to force their way in.
As they were trying to do that one went around the front of the house and threw a rock through the front picture window.

She proceded to fire multiple shots into the kitchen door they were trying to force open.
Within seconds all three men were quickly heading back to their car, two seeming to help drag/carry a third.
She took the girls and locked themselves in the main bedroom.

The sheriff's department showed up 31 minutes later. 31 minutes later.
One can only imagine what could have happened during that half hour before the good guys showed up.

They ended up being caught because the two friends dropped the third guy (who had been shot under his right armpit) off at an ER and they notified the cops.

Turns out they were people that knew the husband and knew he was out of town so thought they would easy pickings.
And they would have been had the wife not had and known how to use a gun.

As my friend says, "You never need a gun until you need one badly."

 

[HammerStone]

If it wasn't a semi-automatic weapon, it would have been a bomb. Do you propose banning the sale of fertilizer, nails (for shrapnel), and other common household items that might be used in such a device? If you do, how would you go about enforcing that ban, and would you be comfortable banning many new substances as new ways to create a device are invented?

Or, as I propose, is this maybe more of a problem of the heart (and not laws)?

As well, just let me point out that it's not self defense when it's your wife and child. I don't think our Savior ever had it in mind that we are to stand by, pray, and do nothing while our loved ones are killed or worse in the name of good Christian piety. I see this erroneous assertion all the time, and it's based off of a warped reading of Matthew 5, which by the way only talks about persecution of one's self, not family, friends, and other loved ones.

 

[aspen]

I would much rather face people who had to go to the trouble of making and setting up and detonating bombs than having to deal with mass killers using automatic weapons.

 

[veteran]

I think they ought to ban pencils also, since they contain lead. Very dangerous! And one just never knows when a pencil might decide to kill someone!

 

[aspen]

http://usnews.nbcnew...sin-7-dead?lite

We need reform. How many more shootings are we going to tolerate before we make some reasonable changes in the law?

 

[Foreigner]

As long as "reform" doesn't mean eliminating the rights of legal gun ownership.

I don't own an assault weapon or even a single-action bolt rifle, and I do not see the need for someone to own an assault weapon. But 99.9% of owners of these owners did not commit a crime with their gun today. Same as yesterday....and the day before....and the day before...

The last ballpark states I saw read somthing like this:

The Brady Campaign reported in 2008 that 12,179 people were murdered by guns
It also reported that 18,223 people committed suicide via guns.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/Facts/Gun_Death_and_Injury_Stat_Sheet_2008__2009_FINAL.pdf

Please don't argue that if guns weren't available, suicides would go away.
My brother committed suicide through asphyxiation via a car in the garage.
If you wish to kill yourself, you will find a way, firearm or not.

So we are to the 12,179 that the Brady Campaign say were killed by guns.
Please note that it does not break down as to how many are killed by legal gun owners compared to those who illegally possessed a weapon.

The majority of murder committed - mainly by gang violence - in NY, LA, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, Houston, etc. are committed by people using an illegal weapon that they had no legal right to possess. THOUSANDS killed by those with no legal right to possess a firearm.

For example: On the night that George Zimmerman shot Treyvon Martin in FL, six youth were killed by gunshot in Chicago.
The first half of this year Chicago averaged over 44 people killed a month. The vast majority due to gang violence.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303644004577520863051001848.html

As a sidebar: The CDC reported that in 2009 there were 10,839 deaths due to drunk driving. http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/Impaired_Driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

Also, roughly 6000 a year die due to talking on the phone, texting and emailing why behind the wheel. http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/End-Distracted-Driving

And we aren't touching on how many times crimes are prevented every year by legal gun owners.

If you wish to talk about "reform" it is important that actual facts are included in that discussion.

 

[Strat]

How have we reached the point where we think the solution to crime is more laws,we are swimming in a sea of laws....criminals by definition do not obey laws....how about bringing the wrath of God down on criminals like we are supposed to instead of coddling and cuddling them