Priest denies communion to lesbian at mother's funeral

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The NT teaching says people should not partake in an unworthy manner. Promoting and defending sin whilst receiving what was done to forgive sin, is doing so in an unworthy manner.

When a priest denies one entrance into heaven, fellowship with Christ, when He puts the pleasing of man before the love of God, than He is doing it for all the wrong reasons

The priest is correct not to give the communion, and as he has trusted God’s word, he has trusted God]

No He truted His own understanding, He lleft out , Love, forgiveness and grace

Those who believe they can partake trusting in their sexuality, the acts of which are error to God, are trusting in their own righteousness.

Do you know that person Heart, do you know how they became what they are, has that priest the right to judge anyman, He is not God.

His thoughts are not our thoughts, his ways are not our ways.

Mat_18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Everyone needs the eucharist,

No, we do not, we can go to heaven without the eucharist but we can not go without Christ.

MAn oh man, why do we make so many rules that one must folow to go to heaven, why have we so complicated the saving Grace of Christ.

I am the way the truth and the Life, no one shall enter into heaven except through Me.

Not mans rules and regulations.

In All His amazing Love
 

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mjrhealth, you wrote: "When a priest denies one entrance into heaven, fellowship with Christ, when He puts the pleasing of man before the love of God, than He is doing it for all the wrong reasons"
The priest would be denying that person's entrance more so into heaven if he would have offered the Holy Eucharist to her.
The young lady should have confessed her sins to the priest first, John 20:23, 1st Timothy 2:3-4, Proverbs 28:13, 2nd. Corinthians 2: 10, Jesus passed on all authority to His apostles/successors in Luke 10:16 [ forgiveness , if the repentant is truely sincere ]

Also mjrhealth, the priest does not judge the person, only Jesus/God will judge us, we can't even judge ourselves,only Jesus truly knows our hearts. But, if you confess your sins sincerely to a Catholic priest while outwardly showing that you are truly sorry for the sin [ s ] then more than likely that priest will give you absolution/ forgiveness from the sin.
For a person to receive Holy Communion/Holy Eucharist unworthily [ living the life of an active homosexual is a sin to God, God loves the sinner but not the sinners sin.] is explained by St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 11:27-29.
 
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Mjrhealth,
A priest can’ t exclude people from heaven, only Christ can make the judgement. The priest can exclude from the fellowship and communion, according to Christ’s teaching, not least Matthew 18 and 1 Cor 5, the latter specifically for wilful sexual immorality. Obviously your reasoning is not God’s.
The NT teaching says people should not partake in an unworthy manner. Promoting and defending sin whilst receiving what was done to forgive sin, is doing so in an unworthy manner.
No He truted His own understanding, He lleft out , Love, forgiveness and grace
No, he trusted God’s word that the wilfully sexually immoral should be excluded and not come to the eucharist in an unworthy manner trusting in their own righteousness. And he was acting out of love for God and God’s word. Jesus said to love Him is to do what He taught.
 
Do you know that person Heart,
Do you? If not dont judge either way. In fact yes we do know to judge fellowship, out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Luke 6:45 "A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."
do you know how they became what they are,
Do you know what God wants people to become?

We are has that priest the right to judge anyman, He is not God.
Neither are you God to judge the priest, but the priest is appointed to administer the eucharist to believers.

His thoughts are not our thoughts, his ways are not our ways.
Amen.

Mat_18:6 But who so shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Well quite, so I suggest the woman starts believing in Jesus and His teaching.
 

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But, if you confess your sins sincerely to a Catholic priest

We only need confess our sins to Christ, a priest cannot forive our sins Onlt Christ can do that, and pennance is adding to the cost, the price that Jesus already paid in full. And the priest did judge the women, if he had not he would of offered her the eucherist, becuase that is what love would have done, an oportinity to receive Jesus, but the eucherist is still not required for salvation.

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mjrhealth,
We only need confess our sins to Christ,
Which sin? The ones described as sin in God's Biblical testimony or the ones one cares to acknowledge?
And the priest did judge the women,
No more than you are judging the priest. According to NT scripture the priest did what he should, but your opinions are baseless. The priest will have to answer to God for his actions, not you.
but the eucherist is still not required for salvation.
Unlike repentance from same sex relations which does seem to be. (1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1, Lev 18 & 20, Genesis 19, etc)



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Why so angry,

Jesus said, Take my yoke for it is light, religion says, Carry all these burdens for the yoke of Christ is too light, let u sheap more upon your shoulders".
Which sin? The ones described as sin in God's Biblical testimony or the ones one cares to acknowledge?

Any sin, the priest has no authority to forgive your sins only those that where sined against him.

No more than you are judging the priest. According to NT scripture the priest did what he should, but your opinions are baseless. The priest will have to answer to God for his actions, not you.
Amen, and I hope he repents before its too late.

Unlike repentance from same sex relations which does seem to be. (1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1, Lev 18 & 20, Genesis 19, etc)

The prodigal son repented, he turned back to his father, this is what repentance is, one can have his sins forgiven yet still not turnback to God. Now lets leave sin to God and sort out our own salvation which no one but Christ can help you with.

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This actually is a message board not a place for formal debate. Also, I think I have posted enough on this board to know whether I can handle it or not, bright....lol
 
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Mjrhealth,
Why so angry,
Who? I haven’t seen anyone say they are angry.To whom are you referring?

Jesus said, Take my yoke for it is light,
But you don’t believe that as you have a problem with acknowledging sin such as same sex relations. His yoke is light and we are free not to sin. The problem is you don’t know His yoke, if you did you wouldnt impose conditions so that it becomes light for you.
Ok the sin of same sex relations? (Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1). Yes or no? Denying what the Biblical testimony says is lying about what it says. Lying is a sin is it not? Matthew 15:19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander."?
Amen, and I hope he repents before its too late.
The point being he doesnt have to on that event according to God’s word.
The prodigal son repented,
So did many in the Bible, David for example. And your point?
Now lets leave sin to God
We do leave it to only true God whose Biblical testimony pronounces same sex relations detestable and wicked (1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1, Lev 18 & 20, Genesis 19, etc)

aspen2,
This actually is a message board not a place for formal debate. Also, I think I have posted enough on this board to know whether I can handle it or not, bright....lol
If its a message board, then should you ought to inform all those in formal debate, rather than just me?
If you can handle it dont bother complaining about the posts. ;- ;)
 

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mjrhealth,you wrote: "We only need confess our sins to Christ, a priest cannot forive our sins Onlt Christ can do that, and pennance is adding to the cost, the price that Jesus already paid in full. And the priest did judge the women, if he had not he would of offered her the eucherist, becuase that is what love would have done, an oportinity to receive Jesus, but the eucherist is still not required for salvation."

You are wrong, as according to the Bible, we find in the Bible where Jesus gave all power and authority to His apostles and their successors to forgive sins [ John 20:22-23 ] Please notice that although Jesus confirs on the apostles His own power and authority to forgive sins [" Who can forgive sins but God alone?" Mark 2;7 ]He does not give them the power of "reading minds". We can infer from this that Jesus intented that the Apostles [ along with all future successors, because Jesus meant for "all generations" to follow His Teachings ] exercise this authority when a penitent came to an apostle, presbyter/priest to confess his/her sin,For the verse that again proves that Jesus infused all of His authority to His apostles and all their future successors read Luke 10:16.
 

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Spent most of my childhood into early adulthood being forced to go to confession once a week and being told I was forgiven for sins that I either made up since I couldn't think of anything to say, or wasn't really sorry for because I didn't truly consider it a sin.

The priest said "Go your sins are forgiven".....yet still required me to say multiple "Our Fathers," "Hail Marys" and "Glory Bes."

According to what you say, those sins were forgiven anyway since the priest has the power to forgive sins.

If they weren't forgiven because I didn't mean them then the priest DOESN'T have the power to forgive sins.

If the priest doesn't realize in his own heart that I was not sorry for my sins than he is not QUALIFIED to decide whether my sins are forgiven or not.

If I were truly sorry for my sins and got down on my knees and confessed to God myself, you imply that would not be enough since a priest didn't sign off on it.

If I am forgiven when I do that.....then what exactly would I even need to speak with a priest for in the first place?
 

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aspen2,
If its a message board, then should you ought to inform all those in formal debate, rather than just me?
If you can handle it dont bother complaining about the posts. ;- ;)

There are no threads on this board that require anyone to engage in formal rules of debate. It is a place for opinions, however, and I will continue to share mine - thanks.
 

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The title is misleading. The priests actions actually go deeper than that.

I do not condone what the priest did as far as the rest of the funeral (sounds like he went overboard), but my understanding is that if a priest knows a person is living in sin, he can deny the eucharist to them.

Any way you look at it, it is just sad.



Lesbian Wants Priest Removed After She Was Denied Communion at Her Mother’s Funeral


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Rev. Marcel Guarnizo
Barbara Johnson and her family are calling for Rev. Marcel Guarnizo of St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland, to be removed from his ministry. The family is making bold proclamations after Guarnizo reportedly denied Johnson, 51, communion at her mother’s funeral on Saturday.

Johnson, a lesbian, was joined at the church by her partner to celebrate her mother’s life. Just before the service, Guarnizo apparently learned about her sexuality and relationship. Then, during the service, when Johnson stood up to receive communion, the priest openly denied her.

“He put his hand over the body of Christ and looked at me and said, ‘I can’t give you Communion because you live with a woman, and in the eyes of the church, that is a sin,’” she explained following the incident.

When he refused her, Johnson said she was shocked and stood in front of him, thinking that he’d change his mind.
“I just stood there, in shock. I was grieving, crying,” she explained. “My mother’s body was behind me, and all I wanted to do was provide for her, and the final thing was to make a beautiful funeral, and here I was letting her down because there was a scene.”

But Johnson, 51, and her family claim that Guarnizo’s offending actions went above and beyond the communion he purportedly refused to offer her. They claim that the priest left the altar when Johnson gave her eulogy and that he didn’t show up at the burial and declined to find a priest to replace him.

In a letter she penned to the priest, Johnson made her disgust and frustration known. She wrote, in part:

“You brought your politics, not your God into that Church yesterday, and you will pay dearly on the day of judgment for judging me.”

“I will pray for your soul, but first I will do everything in my power to see that you are removed from parish life so that you will not be permitted to harm any more families.”​
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Barbara Johnson (Image Credit: WUSA9)
The Washington, D.C. Archdiocese claims that the priest’s actions go against “policy.” Although the church has not officially commented to media, this statement was made in a brief note that was released on the matter. The Archdiocese plans to investigate the incident.

“Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to receive communion should be addressed by the priest with that person in a private, pastoral setting,” the statement also read.

Johnson’s family, though, says they aren’t looking to use the incident to criticize the Catholic Church as a whole.
“We agreed this is not a discussion about gay rights or about the teachings of the Catholic Church,” her brother, Larry Johnson, said. “We’re not in this to Catholic-bash. That’s the farthest thing from our minds.”

I thought she was a man. Nowadays right is wrong and wrong is right with little regard for a Holy God.
 

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Hollyrock,
Nowadays right is wrong and wrong is right with little regard for a Holy God.
Very good point! Lots of believers are now starting to make this discernment.

Interesting comments..
“You brought your politics, not your God into that Church yesterday, and you will pay dearly on the day of judgment for judging me.”

So having complained about being judged by the priest she then threatens him with God's judgement.

Furthermore, it is obviously a different god that supports homosexual identity than the God whose testimony is the Bible.

The biggest disbelief is not actually atheism, which denies God exists, but some in the church who try and tell everyone God isnt who He is.

The fact that it was a funeral is no excuse for complete ignorance. Certainly Satan uses such things to seduce people into thinking what is right, is wrong. I cannot believe she doesnt know full well what the Bible says and what the Roman Catholic church's position is.
I enquired once at a RC church whether I could take communion as a non-Catholic, as was not offended at the lukewarm response. If I were to join a golf club I would not be expecting them to change their rules for me.
So whats all this attitude with some and homosexuality, they are furious unless people accept it.

We know its not about homosexuals as such, thats just a smokscreen and deception, we know its an attack on God and the truth. The spirit of Satan masquerades as light.
 

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Foreigner, it looks to me ,that while you was a young Catholic that you actually never recieved proper catechesis.
Let me see if I can help you to understand a little about the saceament of confession as instituted by our Lord Jesus the Christ.
Catholics do not confess sins to a priest ' instead only to God. We confess to a priest 'representing ' God " Confess your sins to one another, and this will cure you" { James 5:16 ]The prayer of absolution the priest prays while administering the sacrament says, "I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" It is in "God's" name the priest forgives, not in his own name. God already knows your sins , He wants you to humble and show humiliation and sincereity while confessing to another person [ priest ] Why must you confess to a priest? Because Jesus conveyed all authority to His apostles and they on to their futurer replacements and all future properly biblical ordained presbyters/priests. " For what I have pardoned.... I have done it in the person of Christ" [ 2nd Corinthians 2 v 10 ] 'He who conceals his sins prospers not, but he who confesses and forsakes them obtains mercy" [ Proverbs 28: 13 ] Why ios it that you Protestants also reject the verse that shows that Jesus gave all authority to His apostles and their successors ? As proven to all of us in this verse - [ Luke 10; 16 ] and also these verses that show that His apostles were to ordain future replacements and many other future priests for all generations of Christians, not only for the 1st century Christians alone, but for 'all". John 20:21, and Matt. 28:18-20.
 

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Was it not constitine that instituded the church. He was certainly no apostle from God.
 

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Nope, it was Jesus that formulated His Apostolic/Universal [ which means Catholic in Greek ] at Pentecost 1st Century [not Constantine, he wasn't baptized until on his deathbed ] , Yes mere -men invented many 'churches' and their off-spring cults,but that occurred much later, circa 16th Century onward.I believe if you check it out you will see that your church was invented by a mere-man or quite possibly a woman.
 

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Oh so Christ doesnt have to build His church cause men did it for Him, Pity, we never get anything right.

But then again Christ never created the apostolic line men did, Jesus said He was building His church upon revelation.

But we just dont get it do we, as God says, men love it this way.

In His Love
 

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You're wrong again, Jesus/God built his "One" Church [ Matt.16:16-18 ] notice Jesus said "my church'' [singular usage ] not many conflicting churches as we find starting from the 16th Century onward. And that One Church was Apostolic not based on any mere man or woman that we find only from the last 5 to 6 hundred years. Apostolic because of Matt. 28: 20, Luke 10:16, John 20;21, John 17:20-21, Eph. 4:3-6, Ezk. 34:23, Matt. 16: 15- 19, John 21: 15-17.

Notice that I have used Bible verses that support St. Peter and the "only Church" that Jesus left for "all" of us, you haven't one verse out of the Holy Bible in support of your church or it's founder.

You may write: "But, it is all the true believers that make up the Body of Christ [ His Church ], that is true, but it is those true Christians that have always followed His Teachings that are only found in his One True Universal/Catholic and Apostolic Church , only two today are Apostolic -the Catholic Church which comes out of the see of St. Peter and the Eastern Orthodox which comes out of the see of St. Andrew both follow the same Doctrinal Apostolic Teachings directly back to Christ's Apostles. Only His Apostles started those seven other early churches mentioned in the Bible and all taught the same doctrinal teachings. { Acts 2:42 ]
"The house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and mainstay of the truth" [ 1st Timothy 3:14 ]
also to better understand the authorative role of the one and only One true Church that existed back then read Matt.18: 15-18 in that verse, we can almost hear the note of amazement in the voice of Jesus when He said:" If he refuses to listen even to the church....'' [ implying that for someone to ignore the "Church- His [ Jesus] Church- would be the height of stupidity and foolishness.Why do you and others of your ilk avoid His Apostolic Church ? Not only avoid it but also you condemn it.
 

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Since becoming Catholic, I have noticed that many Protestants who openly believe the Catholic Church teaches heresy and leads people away from Christ, are insulted and often indignant when they come across Catholics who teach that Protestants are in rebellion against God's one true church.

Oh the irony......

How can one be outraged at another for believing in the same exclusive nature of their respective churches?