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The Jewish Model

The High Priest, Aaron & Successors

The common Priesthood, Levites

The Priesthood of Believers, Israelites and Jews


The Christian Model

The High Priest, Jesus Christ

The Common Priesthood, Bishops and Priests

The Priesthood of Believers, Christians


In both models, there is no priesthood without sacrifice.

In the Jewish priesthood structure, for the most important sacrifices, the High Priest would make the sacrifice, often with the assistance of common priests, who would lend their hands to his efforts, which were made with the prayers and on behalf of the priesthood of the faithful for the entire nation.

For less important sacrifices, like an individual purification right, the Levite priest would make the sacrifice with his hands, in the authority of the high priest, with the prayers of the family who the sacrifice was made for.

In the Christian priesthood, the intended structure is similar. Jesus is the High Priest, with a common priesthood of bishops and priests, who cooperate with Him and us, the priesthood of believers, to make the sacrifice of the Mass his continuing power and presence working in the world. Jesus makes the real sacrifice on his altar in heaven on our behalf, where we will participate when we get to heaven. Here on Earth, the common priests lend their hands and voices to his cause, so he can make his sacrifice present to us for our benefit, as we join our prayers to his efforts.

The Protestant rejection of this teaching rejects that there is a sacrifice in the new covenant. Unfortunately, that ignores the fact that there is no priesthood without a sacrifice. By the very fact that there is a priesthood, there must be a sacrifice. If the Protestant model were true, then there would barely be a High Priest, Jesus, who sacrificed himself once upon a time, but there wouldn't be an ongoing sacrifice that makes the power of his death and resurrection active in our lives today. Also, with no ongoing sacrifice, there would be no priesthood of believers, which the bible clearly teaches there is.

In Hebrews 7, we see that Jesus is a priest like Melchizedek. The priesthood of Melchizedek is significant because he made an offering of bread an wine (Gen 14:18). This is not negated by Hebrews 7: 27 (Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.) This is true, he does not make are the sacrifices of the old law like the Jewish priests. He does offer us a sacrifice of himself in the bread and wine, which is not "sacrifices", but a singular sacrifice, by which he maintains his power and presence in the world, so he is still Immanuel, God is with us. Without this sacrifice for us to participate in, there is no priesthood for us to be a part of.
 

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This is not entirely accurate. All new covenant believers are encouraged to confidently enter the holy place and then the holiest place in order to approach the throne of grace.

Therefore let us approach with confidence to the throne of grace, in order that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4:16

That is radically different from the economy in which only priests could enter the holy place, and only the high priest could enter the holiest place. There is, therefore, no need now for there to be intermediaries in the service to GOD because Christ is our mediator.
 

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aspen2 said:
You're excused

We are not told to draw near to GOD through earthly men, but 'with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water'

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And [having] an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22
 

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ericrun said:
The Jewish Model

The High Priest, Aaron & Successors

The common Priesthood, Levites

The Priesthood of Believers, Israelites and Jews


The Christian Model

The High Priest, Jesus Christ

The Common Priesthood, Bishops and Priests

The Priesthood of Believers, Christians


In both models, there is no priesthood without sacrifice.

In the Jewish priesthood structure, for the most important sacrifices, the High Priest would make the sacrifice, often with the assistance of common priests, who would lend their hands to his efforts, which were made with the prayers and on behalf of the priesthood of the faithful for the entire nation.

For less important sacrifices, like an individual purification right, the Levite priest would make the sacrifice with his hands, in the authority of the high priest, with the prayers of the family who the sacrifice was made for.

In the Christian priesthood, the intended structure is similar. Jesus is the High Priest, with a common priesthood of bishops and priests, who cooperate with Him and us, the priesthood of believers, to make the sacrifice of the Mass his continuing power and presence working in the world. Jesus makes the real sacrifice on his altar in heaven on our behalf, where we will participate when we get to heaven. Here on Earth, the common priests lend their hands and voices to his cause, so he can make his sacrifice present to us for our benefit, as we join our prayers to his efforts.

The Protestant rejection of this teaching rejects that there is a sacrifice in the new covenant. Unfortunately, that ignores the fact that there is no priesthood without a sacrifice. By the very fact that there is a priesthood, there must be a sacrifice. If the Protestant model were true, then there would barely be a High Priest, Jesus, who sacrificed himself once upon a time, but there wouldn't be an ongoing sacrifice that makes the power of his death and resurrection active in our lives today. Also, with no ongoing sacrifice, there would be no priesthood of believers, which the bible clearly teaches there is.

In Hebrews 7, we see that Jesus is a priest like Melchizedek. The priesthood of Melchizedek is significant because he made an offering of bread an wine (Gen 14:18). This is not negated by Hebrews 7: 27 (Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.) This is true, he does not make are the sacrifices of the old law like the Jewish priests. He does offer us a sacrifice of himself in the bread and wine, which is not "sacrifices", but a singular sacrifice, by which he maintains his power and presence in the world, so he is still Immanuel, God is with us. Without this sacrifice for us to participate in, there is no priesthood for us to be a part of.
There is no priests in the Biblical Church, Apart from the fact that every Christian is a Priest unto God.
We offer up the sacrifices of praise and intercession for people.
The Biblical Church has,
Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors, Teachers and Deacons.....Where is the catholic type of bishop??.
Where is the priest??.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
There is no priests in the Biblical Church, Apart from the fact that every Christian is a Priest unto God.
We offer up the sacrifices of praise and intercession for people.
The Biblical Church has,
Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors, Teachers and Deacons.....Where is the catholic type of bishop??.
Where is the priest??.
Bishops are in 1 Timothy 3, but we are never told what they do, just some considerations on who shouldn't be selected. Old Testament priests were called presbyters, probably because they were trying to not confuse them with the Levite priests. Eventually as the seperation between the Jews and the Christians settled, well after the bible was written, the language shifted to reflect the reality that the Presbyters were Christ's priests.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
There is no priests in the Biblical Church, Apart from the fact that every Christian is a Priest unto God.
We offer up the sacrifices of praise and intercession for people.
The Biblical Church has,
Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors, Teachers and Deacons.....Where is the catholic type of bishop??.
Where is the priest??.
"..to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly [hierourgounta] service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. " (Rom 15:16)

hierourgounta - ref Strong 2418
hierourgeo
From a compound of G2411 and the base ofG2041; to be a temple worker, that is, officiate as a priest (figuratively):—minister.

Apostles were priests.
 

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ericrun said:
Bishops are in 1 Timothy 3, but we are never told what they do, just some considerations on who shouldn't be selected. Old Testament priests were called presbyters, probably because they were trying to not confuse them with the Levite priests. Eventually as the seperation between the Jews and the Christians settled, well after the bible was written, the language shifted to reflect the reality that the Presbyters were Christ's priests.
The Bishop, Elder and Shepherd, are all the same office, Which in the Pastor of the local Church, According to the Greek.
ericrun said:
Bishops are in 1 Timothy 3, but we are never told what they do, just some considerations on who shouldn't be selected. Old Testament priests were called presbyters, probably because they were trying to not confuse them with the Levite priests. Eventually as the seperation between the Jews and the Christians settled, well after the bible was written, the language shifted to reflect the reality that the Presbyters were Christ's priests.
The presbyter were and are not Christ's Priests, They were the five fold Ministry, The Apostle, Prophet Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher.
Nowhere in the Greek does presbyter relate to a priest, That is a catholic lie
 

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Alanforchrist said:
The Bishop, Elder and Shepherd, are all the same office, Which in the Pastor of the local Church, According to the Greek.

The presbyter were and are not Christ's Priests, They were the five fold Ministry, The Apostle, Prophet Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher.
Nowhere in the Greek does presbyter relate to a priest, That is a catholic lie
Would you care to justify those statements from scripture or are we expected to take your word for it?
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
So is every believer
True, but they are a different kind of priest as ericrun pinted out in the OP.
 

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Mungo said:
"..to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly [hierourgounta] service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. " (Rom 15:16)

hierourgounta - ref Strong 2418
hierourgeo
From a compound of G2411 and the base ofG2041; to be a temple worker, that is, officiate as a priest (figuratively):—minister.

Apostles were priests.
The Greek word is, "Leitourgos", Not hierourgounta. It simply means a public servant, Or worker.
You must be reading the twisted catholic Greek.
Mungo said:
"..to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly [hierourgounta] service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. " (Rom 15:16)

hierourgounta - ref Strong 2418
hierourgeo
From a compound of G2411 and the base ofG2041; to be a temple worker, that is, officiate as a priest (figuratively):—minister.

Apostles were priests.
The Apostles were Priests, But only in the sense that every Christian is a Priest unto God.
An Apostle and a priest have two completely different Ministries.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
The Greek word is, "Leitourgos", Not hierourgounta. It simply means a public servant, Or worker.
You must be reading the twisted catholic Greek.
I'm reading the Protestant Greek. Once again you seem to have a special Greek version of scriptures that nobdy else has.
 

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Mungo said:
Would you care to justify those statements from scripture or are we expected to take your word for it?


True, but they are a different kind of priest as ericrun pinted out in the OP.
See Eph 4: 11, And tell me where the priest is in that list.
Check out the Greek meanings for, "Presbyter and priest"... And you will see that I'm right.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
The Apostles were Priests, But only in the sense that every Christian is a Priest unto God.
An Apostle and a priest have two completely different Ministries.
No, not in the sense that every Christians is a priest. They were priests in a special sense.

Alanforchrist said:
See Eph 4: 11, And tell me where the priest is in that list.
Check out the Greek meanings for, "Presbyter and priest"... And you will see that I'm right.
You haven't even attempted to justify your statements from scripture.

Just to remind you you said:
1. "The Bishop, Elder and Shepherd, are all the same office, Which in the Pastor of the local Church, According to the Greek."

2. "The presbyter were and are not Christ's Priests, They were the five fold Ministry, The Apostle, Prophet Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher."

What about 1Cor 12:28-31?
 

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Mungo said:
I'm reading the Protestant Greek. Once again you seem to have a special Greek version of scriptures that nobdy else has.
Whatever Greek your reading, It is wrong,.... I do have a special Greek version, It's called the original Greek,
I have a few Greek Bible dictionary's One of them is, a Hebrew/Greek key study Bible.
And all my Greek Bible dictionary's say, Leitourgos..
 

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Whatever Greek your reading, It is wrong,.... I do have a special Greek version, It's called the original Greek,
I have a few Greek Bible dictionary's One of them is, a Hebrew/Greek key study Bible.
And all my Greek Bible dictionary's say, Leitourgos..
No original Greek manuscripts survive.
 

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Mungo said:
No, not in the sense that every Christians is a priest. They were priests in a special sense.


You haven't even attempted to justify your statements from scripture.

Just to remind you you said:
1. "The Bishop, Elder and Shepherd, are all the same office, Which in the Pastor of the local Church, According to the Greek."

2. "The presbyter were and are not Christ's Priests, They were the five fold Ministry, The Apostle, Prophet Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher."
Check it out in the Greek, And you'll find I'm right.
Mungo said:
No original Greek manuscripts survive.
So you admit you lied about, heirourgounta?,
 

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Alanforchrist said:
Check it out in the Greek, And you'll find I'm right.
As usual you make no attempt to prove any evidence for you opinions.

Alanforchrist said:
So you admit you lied about, heirourgounta?,
I admit nothing of the sort. It's right there in the Greek.

eis to einai me leitourgon Christou Iēsou eis ta ethnē hierourgounta to euangelion tou theou hina genētai hē prosphora tōn ethnōn euprosdektos hēgiasmenē en pneumati hagiō
 

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Have you ever noticed what the Melchizedek priesthood will be doing when its High Priest returns?
Are you aware of the initial duties of this priesthood upon the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ which were foreign to the Levitical priesthood?