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Prophethood

Discussion in 'NonChristian Help Forum' started by Amy, Aug 29, 2007.

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    ammuslim, I read that you are satisfied already what you've got. I'm ok ,that you are here, but why do you need Christian forum if you are happy with your faith, Islam? You can't follow both of them.
     
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    Ricky,It's ok,that you are here but,how can you think we can come together as Christians and Muslims. You can't follow both and you seem to be absolute Muslim and I'm absolutely born again Christian and would not consider to become a Muslim. I really don't believe in it,sorry. My God loves you though and so do I. So, I don't see a problem with you as a person. I just don't believe in Islam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    Ricky,It's ok,that you are here but,how can you think we can come together as Christians and Muslims. You can't follow both and you seem to be absolute Muslim and I'm absolutely born again Christian and would not consider to become a Muslim. I really don't believe in it,sorry. My God loves you though and so do I. So, I don't see a problem with you as a person. I just don't believe in Islam.
    And who was the one that want to follow Christians as well Islam at the same time anyway ?And i'm not attend to make you follow mine either unless you want to, that is because of your own willingness not because of mine, and if you don't want to either that is your own business not mine, ok [​IMG]. The mod, and the senior member in this forum already know why i'm in here and they feels free to accept me as their member of the forum, but i think that because you are newer, then you are not understand what you are talking to regarding on me [​IMG].And my God love His all creature that He has made, not just human being, but All. And if you don't believe in Islam, that's fine with me, and that is also your right to do so. So what is the big deal that you want to say ?Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimAnd who was the one that want to follow Christians as well Islam at the same time anyway ?And i'm not attend to make you follow mine either unless you want to, that is because of your own willingness not because of mine, and if you don't want to either that is your own business not mine, ok . The mod, and the senior member in this forum already know why i'm in here and they feels free to accept me as their member of the forum, but i think that because you are newer, then you are not understand what you are talking to regarding on me .And my God love His all creature that He has made, not just human being, but All. And if you don't believe in Islam, that's fine with me, and that is also your right to do so. So what is the big deal that you want to say ?Wallaahu a'lam.
    Ricky,What is your next point? The crucifixion of Jesus Christ for your sake and mine. You really don't believe in it, hey??[​IMG]
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    Ricky,What is your next point? The crucifixion of Jesus Christ for your sake and mine. You really don't believe in it, hey??[​IMG]
    I do believe there is crucifixion but not Jesus who the one on it and die on that cross. Just as simple is that, and I do believe that God can forgive every human or creature sins, without any or someone must die at cross or any others things. And it's not just Jesus(pbuh) that sacrifise his live during his mission as God messenger, but also other prophets has done the same thing. So it's not make wonder at all about. It just a usual thing todo as prophet or His Messenger.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI do believe there is crucifixion but not Jesus who the one on it and die on that cross. Just as simple is that, and I do believe that God can forgive every human or creature sins, without any or someone must die at cross or any others things. And it's not just Jesus(pbuh) that sacrifise his live during his mission as God messenger, but also other prophets has done the same thing. So it's not make wonder at all about. It just a usual thing todo as prophet or His Messenger.Wallaahu a'lam.
    Dear Ricky,All the other prophets have been just prophets, who did sin. Jesus was the only sinless one and the Son of God. How are you sure about your salvation? And how do you know that you are right with God?
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    Dear Ricky,All the other prophets have been just prophets, who did sin. Jesus was the only sinless one and the Son of God. How are you sure about your salvation? And how do you know that you are right with God?
    All prophets did sin, then you are being God right now [​IMG].My Salvation was on God Grace as well with my deeds base on God Willing. How I know I'm with God, because God has told me to do a good deeds, and stay away from evil and others god. My God would not be born through human vagina. My God is the Creator of Universe, my God is Light upon the light, my God is Light of darkness, my God is Jealous, my God is One and the Only One and there isn't any other god beside Him Alone with His own Form which is only His the one who know. My God knowing everything, my God cannot be seen, my God can be feel, my God full a lot of Mercy rather then His Anger.My God make me peace, make me wonderful, and make me always feel guilty on Him, because a lot of good deeds cannot be done by me, and a lot of sin I've been done.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimAll prophets did sin, then you are being God right now [​IMG].My Salvation was on God Grace as well with my deeds base on God Willing. How I know I'm with God, because God has told me to do a good deeds, and stay away from evil and others god. My God would not be born through human vagina. My God is the Creator of Universe, my God is Light upon the light, my God is Light of darkness, my God is Jealous, my God is One and the Only One and there isn't any other god beside Him Alone with His own Form which is only His the one who know. My God knowing everything, my God cannot be seen, my God can be feel, my God full a lot of Mercy rather then His Anger.My God make me peace, make me wonderful, and make me always feel guilty on Him, because a lot of good deeds cannot be done by me, and a lot of sin I've been done.Wallaahu a'lam.
    How are you sure, you're going to heaven?
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    How are you sure, you're going to heaven?
    It's depend on God Grace along with our good deeds. If we are doing good deeds as what God has commanded then I'm very sure we will going to heaven.And how about you [​IMG], are you ? Because so far as i know, event Christian not sure will enter the paradise [​IMG].Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimIt's depend on God Grace along with our good deeds. If we are doing good deeds as what God has commanded then I'm very sure we will going to heaven.And how about you [​IMG], are you ? Because so far as i know, event Christian not sure will enter the paradise [​IMG].Wallaahu a'lam.
    I'm sure about my salvation. I'm saved by what God did for me,not for what I did for God. I believe that Jesus died for all my sins on that cross and made me place in heaven. (God's plan, not mine.)What is God's grace for you? How would you sum it up? How do you know God has enough grace for you? How do you know your deeds are good enough to God ?Rom. 3:20 "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather,through the law; we become conscious of sin."Rom. 3:23-24 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and justified freely by His grace THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT CAME BY CHRIST JESUS."
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    I'm sure about my salvation. I'm saved by what God did for me,not for what I did for God. I believe that Jesus died for all my sins on that cross and made me place in heaven. (God's plan, not mine.)
    Why don't you make a lot of sin [​IMG], is itn't he alreay save you ? Why don't you go to your death, then proof it whether what you have said is true [​IMG].
    What is God's grace for you? How would you sum it up? How do you know God has enough grace for you? How do you know your deeds are good enough to God ?
    God Grace is only God who Knows His Grace, not mine. It is not me who sum it, but it is God Him Self that done it, i just doing the best as i can do for what God commanded.God will Knows Everything, man knowing not, God Mercy is more then His Anger, and God Grace is unlimited, and God knows who's the one that should have His Grace, we human just need to ask/pray to God so He will give us His Grace. Only God knows how are good enough my good deeds really is, I only His servant, which only can do the best good deeds that God commanded to His Followers. By this concept, human will always race to do good deeds, because only God knows the result of it, not us. So if we are good followers of God, we will always done good deeds that God has commanded without counting win or loss of doing it, that's why Islamic will always teach people todo the best thing of doing good deeds that God has commanded.If you know psychology this kind of methode indeed make human done good deeds always rather then the oposite [​IMG].
    Rom. 3:20 "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather,through the law; we become conscious of sin."Rom. 3:23-24 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and justified freely by His grace THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT CAME BY CHRIST JESUS."
    Because of this human thought, would make human kind will always doing sin, because by accepting Jesus as God or accepting Jesus Christ die on Cross for release all of sin will will freely doing any kind of sin. That is the consequences if you gave that thought. So far as i concerned, Jesus never tell that by accepting Jesus as God or die on cross will erase all sin. But human thought yes, just like as you have shown ups there.Quran Al Baqoroh (2):[268] The Evil One threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly. Allah promiseth you His forgiveness and bounties. And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things.[269] He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding.[270] And whatever ye spend in charity or devotion, be sure Allah knows it all. But the wrong-doers have no helpers.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    I'm sure about my salvation. I'm saved by what God did for me,not for what I did for God. I believe that Jesus died for all my sins on that cross and made me place in heaven. (God's plan, not mine.)
    Why don't you make a lot of sin [​IMG] , is itn't he alreay save you ?Why don't you go to your death, then proof it whether what you have said is true [​IMG].Ricky, that was the most disgusting comment I have ever heard from out of your heart.Romans 6:1-2 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?What comes out of your mouth, cometh forth out of your heart.Matthew 15:18 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:Jag
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag;29504)
    Ricky, that was the most disgusting comment I have ever heard from out of your heart.
    I do really hope you pay attention with all my writings, not just cut off some. I'm writing like that way because I'm questioning his/her thought.If just you read my writing below of the statement that you brought, you should see how I stand.I do hope you read this as well, and I do hope you will have more clear viewing regarding on what I'm doing, if you really want to understand how I think and understand his/her statement.("Ricky W")
    Because of this human thought, would make human kind will always doing sin, because by accepting Jesus as God or accepting Jesus Christ die on Cross for release all of sin will will freely doing any kind of sin. That is the consequences if you gave that thought.
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    Romans 6:1-2 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?What comes out of your mouth, cometh forth out of your heart.Matthew 15:18 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:Jag
    But unfortunately you are not me, who can understand what is in my mine, and my heart. But Insha Allaah, i will know what is in your heart by God Willing, by hearing what God has spoke with His word, regarding with what kind of human like you [​IMG].So Jordan, you are misunderstanding me, again.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Ricky, that was the most disgusting comment I have ever heard from out of your heart.Romans 6:1-2 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?What comes out of your mouth, cometh forth out of your heart.Matthew 15:18 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:Jag
    God Bless you thesuperjag,Love,Thunder1
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimWhy don't you make a lot of sin [​IMG], is itn't he alreay save you ? Why don't you go to your death, then proof it whether what you have said is true [​IMG].God Grace is only God who Knows His Grace, not mine. It is not me who sum it, but it is God Him Self that done it, i just doing the best as i can do for what God commanded.God will Knows Everything, man knowing not, God Mercy is more then His Anger, and God Grace is unlimited, and God knows who's the one that should have His Grace, we human just need to ask/pray to God so He will give us His Grace. Only God knows how are good enough my good deeds really is, I only His servant, which only can do the best good deeds that God commanded to His Followers. By this concept, human will always race to do good deeds, because only God knows the result of it, not us. So if we are good followers of God, we will always done good deeds that God has commanded without counting win or loss of doing it, that's why Islamic will always teach people todo the best thing of doing good deeds that God has commanded.If you know psychology this kind of methode indeed make human done good deeds always rather then the oposite [​IMG].Because of this human thought, would make human kind will always doing sin, because by accepting Jesus as God or accepting Jesus Christ die on Cross for release all of sin will will freely doing any kind of sin. That is the consequences if you gave that thought. So far as i concerned, Jesus never tell that by accepting Jesus as God or die on cross will erase all sin. But human thought yes, just like as you have shown ups there.Quran Al Baqoroh (2):[268] The Evil One threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly. Allah promiseth you His forgiveness and bounties. And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things.[269] He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding.[270] And whatever ye spend in charity or devotion, be sure Allah knows it all. But the wrong-doers have no helpers.Wallaahu a'lam.
    Your Allah lets you say rude things and that seems to be so accepted in your religion. Well that's between you and Allah. Jesus did not die that when we got know Him, we would purposely sin, doh. But YOU and ME still sin even without us considering ourselves that we've sinned. And because we are not God, we sin, I sometimes have bad thoughts or say wrong things, but we try not to and do our best. Forgiveness comes through Jesus though not from Allah. God's plan not mine. You already know what we believe Ricky, you just want to stir up a bit. There is no other way to God than through Jesus. I've said it before, you either believe it or not. That's In The Bible,which you know anyway, you just don't believe in it. That's all. May my God bless you!
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    Your Allah lets you say rude things and that seems to be so accepted in your religion. Well that's between you and Allah.
    I don't how to call you thunder1, if there is christian who has done a murderer and doing a rape, are you will saying that your religion accepted that, and your God are allowing it ?You are so subjective thunder1, i think you should clear up your mind first before knowing not of what you are saying [​IMG]. If I'm the who done false, that doesn't meant my Faith nor my God has allowing that kind of falsely.And thunder1, if you feel that what i'm saying was too rude for you, then i ask your apologize of what i'm doing, by the name of God, i'm not to attend to be rude, I just using my mine of being reaction of every statement or word that you has made, i'm just using psychology and logically think to deal with what you have. So if my logically and psychology way taken rude by you, then i'm sorry if you taking it personally. Because once again, i was only using my logic and psychology of human reaction for your kind of statement.
    Jesus did not die that when we got know Him, we would purposely sin, doh. But YOU and ME still sin even without us considering ourselves that we've sinned. And because we are not God, we sin, I sometimes have bad thoughts or say wrong things, but we try not to and do our best. Forgiveness comes through Jesus though not from Allah. God's plan not mine. You already know what we believe Ricky, you just want to stir up a bit.
    Thunder1, i think you should gain more of your knowledge regarding on Allah. Allah for Arabic language mean God(the Unique, the Only One, the Most High) but for Islam Allah is not just mean God, but also one of His Name and He is called Allah. Forgiveness can through God directly, because God were able to forgive every sinner if they were asked for God forgiveness. Before Jesus come, in the OT we see how God can forgive his servant/human who wrong doers event without throught Jesus. So what you have state not make sense to me. And it is God Grace to forgive everyone that he willing to give.
    There is no other way to God than through Jesus. I've said it before, you either believe it or not. That's In The Bible,which you know anyway, you just don't believe in it. That's all. May my God bless you!
    That was at Jesus time, but how about in Moses time, in Samuel time, in Jacob time, in Abraham time ? Is it still throught Jesus ? Well you may believe it or not, but those prophet was have God forgiveness without through Jesus. Unless you want to throw away the fact that were on your own bible.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Ricky W;29746]A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI don't how to call you thunder1, if there is christian who has done a murderer and doing a rape, are you will saying that your religion accepted that, and your God are allowing it ?
    Did Adam die because he obeyed God or because he obeyed the devil.Who we obey and believe in shows in our actions. A child of God knows only God has the right to begin and end life.Job 2:6.And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his lifeThe evil things happen because Satan is listened to and not God in alot of mens hearts. If you have not Christ then you are still dead unto God.
    You are so subjective thunder1, i think you should clear up your mind first before knowing not of what you are saying [​IMG]. If I'm the who done false, that doesn't meant my Faith nor my God has allowing that kind of falsely.
    As we see with Adam, man has the right to chose whom he obeys.And as we see there was only the covenant with Israel that God acknowledges as being with his people before the covenant of Christ.This covenant the most important one was promised to those of the first covenant. Your religion is not of either covenant.
    Thunder1, i think you should gain more of your knowledge regarding on Allah. Allah for Arabic language mean God(the Unique, the Only One, the Most High) but for Islam Allah is not just mean God, but also one of His Name and He is called Allah. Forgiveness can through God directly, because God were able to forgive every sinner if they were asked for God forgiveness. Before Jesus come, in the OT we see how God can forgive his servant/human who wrong doers event without throught Jesus. So what you have state not make sense to me. And it is God Grace to forgive everyone that he willing to give.
    But your belief omits the justice and righteousness of the true God. Though God forgave a life and blood had to be sacrificed to take away the sins. But it was animal blood which washed the sins away and we see that because they continued to sin, there were many such sacrifices.However when Jesus came the second Adam born by the will and power of God in flesh. We see he was not tainted in any way by sin.That man inherited his sinful nature and sin unto death through the actions of one man, Adam. So Christ being free from sin has become the one who all become clean for ever by his one perfect sacrifice. Which means no more needed because like Adam he removes sin permenantly from those who accept his sacrifice for them. Moses covenant was only the foremention of the perfect covenant where God would deal with sin once and for all.The righteous demands of the Law having been given meant they had to be fulfilled. Hence only God can forgive sins and he alone choses the means by which sin is forgiven. In this case another Adam Jesus Christ had to come and live a sinless life then die the death not deserved so reversing what Adam did and allowing men to chose like the first Adam. And this why your God is not the true God. For the true God is Just.
    That was at Jesus time, but how about in Moses time, in Samuel time, in Jacob time, in Abraham time ? Is it still throught Jesus ? Well you may believe it or not, but those prophet was have God forgiveness without through Jesus. Unless you want to throw away the fact that were on your own bible.
    yes! Because all the prophets spoke about Jesus and therefore believed in him and his saving us from our sins. Read Isaiah 53.The Spirit of truth spoke through Holy Men of God and revealed to them and to us the truth about Jesus Christ before he came. These things are true and will stand for all time.Moses said, Deuteronomy 18:15-22 (King James Version) 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16.According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20.But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21.And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22.When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.Hence Christ does not have a tomb and his words came to pass.But Mahomet is still in his tomb. And he was not from the brethren of Gods people through the Son Isaac as he claims himself.I pray God may open your eyes before it is too late.Faithful.:pray4::pray3:
     
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    Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God of the Bible simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. Yet He cared enough for us sinners to mercifully take our sins upon Himself. It is revealing that this "Allah", never tries to change Muhammad's sinfulness or life style.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God of the Bible simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. Yet He cared enough for us sinners to mercifully take our sins upon Himself. It is revealing that this "Allah", never tries to change Muhammad's sinfulness or life style.
    It's been refuted so many times, just find the answer on the internet, ok [​IMG] ?Oh btw those word that I bold, you should read your own "Holy" Bible. How is your god tolerate such as of that sin(*event i don't believe that were being done by David(pbuh))What a rubbish [​IMG].Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Sorry, what did you try to say. dear ?
     
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