Lifelong_sinner
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The first man born of God was Jesus Christ.
wait….. what?????? God the Father did not create Jesus. He has always existed.
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The first man born of God was Jesus Christ.
Are you denying Jesus was a man born of a woman?wait….. what?????? God the Father did not create Jesus. He has always existed.
Are you denying Jesus was a man born of a woman?
wait….. what?????? God the Father did not create Jesus. He has always existed.
However it may have happened (that part is highly controversial), not all people were created by God. The Bible tells us as much, over and over.
Did you forget Adam? Who was he of? There wasn't anybody else for him to come from but God.No manWoman comes spilling from the womb born of God. Even the very thought of this is nuts. ... The first man born of God was Jesus Christ.
I guess you missed all the countless verses about being of the devil ...Utterly False.
God IS the Creator and Maker of ALL of manKIND.
All of manKIND has FREEWILL to Believe as they Choose.
Men who REJECT God IS the Creator and Maker of ALL of manKIND, Reject Gods Truth.
No where IN SCRIPTURE does it ONCE (let alone over and over), teach that ANYONE other than God IS the Creator and Maker of manKIND.
I guess you missed all the countless verses about being of the devil ...
...and John chapter 8 where Jesus tells the Pharisees and Sadducees to their face that their father is the devil, etc.
How do you reconcile your above statements with Genesis 3:15? The devil unequivocally has a seed (a lineage). God wasn't referring to those who would fall spiritually later in their life. He wouldn't have referred to it as seed. Seed is from the get-go. Seed is source.
Ther is one answer that worksI have a problem with this and I’m likely one in a line of countless people that have had these types of questions.
Christian theology teaches:
1. God created everyone ex nihilo. He brought into everyone from not existing to existence, designed each one of us from the ground up, loved us, and sent us to earth knowing exactly the decisions we would make.
2. Final judgement will result in the righteous in heaven and the wicked burning in Hell. Both being for eternity.
At its core, my question is why would he bring people into existence only to have them burn for eternity?
Some responses I have heard.
Diamond on black backdrop: The diamond shines brighter and more magnificent when placed against a black background. Hell is needed to show how great heaven will be.
I find this as an interesting take on the trolley problem. Build a trolley and willingly choose to have it Torture 9 out of 10 people for eternity so 1 out of 10 people can live in joy for all eternity.
God does not make us sin: But he did make us to sin. We did not exist, then He breathed life into us and made us the way we are and placed us in a position on earth where he knew we would not accept him and go to hell.
We shouldn’t be asking this question: The question itself causes us to doubt and distrust God, so we shouldn’t ask it.
I appreciate the sentiment, but it doesn’t answer the question
We don’t know: I can buy this one. I don’t love it, but I am not so prideful to say that I have as much understanding as God. His ways are above mine.
Is it loving to have the wicked burn in hell for eternity instead of never having existed? Instead of burning, could he not just strip the wicked of existence and put them back into the place they were before having been made?
1 John 3:9 KJVDid you forget Adam? Who was he of? There wasn't anybody else for him to come from but God.
What about Jeremiah and John the Baptist? They had the Holy Spirit from the womb.
Jeremiah 1:5
Luke 1:15
Isaiah seems to indicate that TRUE Israel is of God from the womb.
Isaiah 44:21
Isaiah 49:15
Not everyone IS born of God.
Matthew 15:14
This brings us back around to the Wheat and the Tares.
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-40
Better stop sinning if you're born of God then.1 John 3:9 KJV
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
There are two paths that God ordained. One that leads to destruction. The other leads to righteousness. For God said whosoever wills let him come. God created all men to walk in him. But those that choose not will suffer the penalties laid out.The Bible says that God created wicked people for punishment, so you may be onto something.....sounds mean and unfair , doesn’t it? If there “IS” a God, and I believe there is one, chances are he’s a lot smarter than you and I and knows a lot of stuff we don’t understand.....I bet He has good reasons for doing what He Does, and He sure as Hell does not need our approval.....at the very least, the God I know is one heckuva nice Guy......I’m gonna trust that He knows what He is doing....where were “ you” the day he hung the planets? And you have the nerve to be God’s Critic?
I agree entirely, I don’t think God sinned and I believe whole heartedly agency is a gift from God.
But imagine this. God was getting ready to create Steve, God knew that Steve would be grow up an average person, raise a family of mini Steve’s and die without accepting Christ as his savior, God prepared a place for Steve and his family to go to experience eternal torment because of their failure to accept Christ. At this point, why does God not just scrap the idea of Steve. If he continues on with his plan to make Steve, he is creating Steve purely to experience eternal torment.
Yes, he made it for the devil and his angels. And all the people God makes with his own two hands that don’t accept Christ get sent there.
Where is your evidence they laid on earth for millions of years?Yes, very strange! If God created the world in six days and the earth for only six thousand years, then how can we understand the fact that dinosaurs lay in the earth for millions of years!?
New Earth Creationists think Dinosaurs are Satan's ruse to mislead the saints into believing a lie about a billions of years old creation.Yes, very strange! If God created the world in six days and the earth for only six thousand years, then how can we understand the fact that dinosaurs lay in the earth for millions of years!?