Real believers don't want to talk nor hear anything negative about sinning

[Behold]

I am a polite person. I let people out themselves if they like.
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You're a carnal deceiver, who posts false analysis of "unnamed" quotes, because you have nothing genuine to offer., typical of a carnal Troll.
And you'll do it again.

 

[Phoneman777]

So many words of man and so few words of God in this topic. Those few words of God offered all come from the Tanakh.

I would offer only one thought: “I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

(I wasn’t sure you had heard the good news.)

Even the angels know Jesus was born Christ our Lord, but what good it that to them? It's as useless to them in the spirit world as it is to those who refuse to make a full, permanent surrender to Jesus (aka "abide in the Vine") in our world.

 

[robert derrick]

You're a carnal deceiver, who posts false analysis of "unnamed" quotes, because you have nothing genuine to offer., typical of a carnal Troll.
And you'll do it again.

Since you insist on getting the glory for your words, I'll be glad to make sure you do.

However, I don't see why you want to even read a correction, since you will only hate it, without showing how it is untrue.

A moth to the flame is the only explanation for it.

 

[Behold]

Since you insist on getting the glory for your words,

I dont need Glory, you just need to be honest.
Good luck with that...

And if you need me to keep bumping your Thread for you, you might try offering me a legit question that i would be happy to answer.
You can decide that, Robert.

 

[robert derrick]

Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits.

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Some churches serve coffee in their buildings, and others serve smoothies.

Them with smoothies say, Don't correct me, but just love me.

Love that does not correct unrighteousness and lies among themselves, does not love the Lord.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

 

[robert derrick]

I dont need Glory, you just need to be honest.
Good luck with that...

And if you need me to keep bumping your Thread for you, you might try offering me a legit question that i would be happy to answer.
You can decide that, Robert.

I have no more questions for you, because I've already been down that road and seen your full end. I now only correct you.

If you were to actually show how my corrections of your words are not true, then I'd be more than glad to see it.

"Real believers want to talk about what actually matters., as talking about SIN, is for sinners, not for Saints."

This is from a 'real believer' that is openly saying how they never preach against sinning to themselves, but only to unbelievers.

True, or false?

 

[Behold]

This is from a 'real believer' that is openly saying how they never preach against sinning to themselves, but only to unbelievers.

True, or false?

I said nothing about "Preaching", in my comment.
So, you are "corrected", because you lied again.

Now, what i said, is what i mean.
Real believers, are not interested in hearing Heretics rant about their sinning and confessing.
I dont need to hear it, but you need to do it.
That is my point.
See, the born again, are not interested in talking about your sinning, Robert.
Figure out why.

 

[robert derrick]

I said nothing about "Preaching", in my comment.
So, you are "corrected", because you lied again.

"Real believers want to talk about what actually matters., as talking about SIN, is for sinners, not for Saints."

And so now talking about sinning is not preaching. Preaching the gospel is not possible without talking about righteousness, judgment, sin, and death by sinning.

If you are saying that Christian sinners shouldn't be gloating about their sinning, then you are changing things to avoid the truth of your own words.

No where do I or any Christian I know of, gather together to talk about sinning, especially not like sinners gloating over it.

You can't even be honest about your own ideas, and what they mean, so that you must change it to avoid sound correction of it.

Now, what i said, is what i mean.
Real believers, are not interested in hearing Heretics rant about their sinning and confessing.

And here is the truth of it: This has nothing to do with talking about sinning to others, but rather is all about preaching against sinning, and preaching confessing sin to be forgiven by Jesus, if we do. This is what you are against, and don't want to hear in your church, and obviously nowhere else.

It is painfully obvious, that it has become impossible for you to speak the truth about yourself and what you believe, much less willing to hear anyone correct you.

I say it is a direct result of your personal doctrine of preforgiveness of all sins: You teach and train yourself to have no more need to confess sinning to be forgiven. You convince yourself of it so much, that any conviction by the Spirit to do so, is to you guilt-tripping of the devil.

And those who preach all men should confess their sinning from the heart, to be forgiven by Jesus Christ, is ruled as heresy by you.

Since you can't be honest with the Spirit about yourself and your deeds, then you cannot possibly be honest about how you are being corrected by any man.

I really do not believe it is possible for your mind to be true to yourself nor anyone else, that disagrees with you.

And, this is not your church, where everyone agrees what to preach and not to preach.

And the messenger that was gone to call Micaiah spake unto him, saying, Behold now, the words of the prophets declare good unto the king with one mouth: let thy word, I pray thee, be like the word of one of them, and speak that which is good.

And yet you keep coming back for more correction like childish Ahab: you hate it, but you can't stop yourself from hearing it.

And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the name of the LORD?

You are as a moth to the flame, that actually thinks you can put out the flame every where you go.

If you would ever just be honest with yourself, and actually address what others are saying accurately, you might actually get somewhere solid and true.

 

[Behold]

"Real believers want to talk about what actually matters., as talking about SIN, is for sinners, not for Saints."And so now talking about sinning is not preaching. Preaching the gospel is not possible without talking about righteousness, judgment, sin, and death by sinning.If you are saying that Christian sinners shouldn't be gloating about their sinning, then you are changing things to avoid the truth of your own words.No where do I or any Christian I know of, gather together to talk about sinning, especially not like sinners gloating over it.You can't even be honest about your own ideas, and what they mean, so that you must change it to avoid sound correction of it.
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""""""And so now talking about sinning is not preaching. Preaching the gospel is not possible without talking about righteousness, judgment, sin, and death by sinning."""""

You need to back up and rethink.
As originally you posted my quote, but didnt state it was me, and you lied about what i said.

Next...

""""""""If you are saying that Christian sinners shouldn't be gloating about their sinning, then you are changing things to avoid the truth of your own words."""""

Im saying that if you understood salvation, you would be posting about it, vs, talking about your sin issues, while you believe that the other members have the same issues you have.


"""""""No where do I or any Christian I know of, gather together to talk about sinning, especially not like sinners gloating over it.""""""

If that is true, then you wont be posting more Threads that talk about sinning.

Glad to hear it, as real Christians are not interested in hearing about your sinning issues.


"""""""You can't even be honest about your own ideas, and what they mean, so that you must change it to avoid sound correction of it.""""""

I posted your lie. You can't post mine, you can only pretend it happened.
See, Im always honest.
I have over 300 Threads posted on this Forum, and over 6000 posts.
Not one lie in them..


"""""""And here is the truth of it: This has nothing to do with talking about sinning to others, but rather is all about preaching against sinning, and preaching confessing sin to be forgiven by Jesus, if we do. This is what you are against, and don't want to hear in your church, and obviously nowhere else."""""""

You need to find some sinners to preach your message, if you are of that mind.
But the Members here, don't need it, as i told you.
They need only to understand this.... Hebrews 13:9.
And once they have that as their Faith, they are CHANGED forever.


""""""It is painfully obvious, that it has become impossible for you to speak the truth about yourself and what you believe, much less willing to hear anyone correct you.""""""

The only thing that is obvious is that you like to hear yourself talk.
I noticed you are not posting 20 more OSAS posts per week, lately.
Apparently a Mod told you to stop that nonsense.
I bet you've had trouble sleeping because you can't keep kicking that dead horse to death, some more.


"""""""I say it is a direct result of your personal doctrine of preforgiveness of all sins: You teach and train yourself to have no more need to confess sinning to be forgiven. You convince yourself of it so much, that any conviction by the Spirit to do so, is to you guilt-tripping of the devil."""""

My Sin is all on Jesus.
He is my "sin bearer"., as "God made Him to be sin for the world".
What i have is "the righteousness of God, in Christ"., as do all the born again.


"""""And those who preach all men should confess their sinning from the heart, to be forgiven by Jesus Christ, is ruled as heresy by you."""""

Save that for the unbelievers, as the Sin of the Born again, is on Jesus, who died for them all.

Welcome to Salvation.


""""Since you can't be honest with the Spirit about yourself and your deeds, then you cannot possibly be honest about how you are being corrected by any man."""""

What you said is blindly ignorant and is not related to my relationship with God.
You, Robert. need to endlessly talk about SIN and sinning, because you have an issue with it......and here you are talking about it more, as i said you would.
You need help, and being allowed to be on this forum posting nonsense, is not helping anyone else.

"""""""I really do not believe it is possible for your mind to be true to yourself nor anyone else, that disagrees with you."""""

According to your posts and Threads, you're a deceived Cross rejecting fakir.
So, believe me when i tell you, that your opinion, means nothing to me.


'""""""And, this is not your church, where everyone agrees what to preach and not to preach.""""""

I view Online Forums as an Online Church.
People like you, who do not understand God's Grace, or the Blood Atonement, should be prevented from using the Forum to preach your deception to Real Believers.

 

[PinSeeker]

The unrighteous hypocrites love hearing about free forgiveness, and hate being told to repent first.

True repentance by the believer is actually initiated by God through the working of His Spirit in the believer ~ and in this life ongoing in nature, re-initiated and sustained in the believer by said Spirit, Who convicts us of our sin. As Paul says to the Church in Rome ~ and so to all of us ~ it's God's kindness that leads... not led, but leads... us to repentance (Romans 2:4). And, as John says, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). So even our true repentance, and of course His faithful forgiveness, is all really a work of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit): glory is His and His alone.

Some glorify themselves by thinking repentance is solely the work of man, thus making him deserving of God's forgiveness. But such is prideful and sinful.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

 

[farouk]

True repentance by the believer is actually initiated by God through the working of His Spirit in the believer ~ and in this life ongoing in nature, sustained in the believer by said Spirit. As Paul says to the Church in Rome ~ and so to all of us ~ it's God's kindness that leads... not led, but leads... us to repentance (Romans 2:4). And, as John says, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). So even our true repentance, and of course His faithful forgiveness, is all really a work of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit): glory is His and His alone.

Some glorify themselves by thinking repentance is solely the work of man, thus making him deserving of God's forgiveness. But such is prideful and sinful.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

Saw your post; was going to quote from Romans 2 and then saw you already did..........

 

[robert derrick]

""""""And so now talking about sinning is not preaching. Preaching the gospel is not possible without talking about righteousness, judgment, sin, and death by sinning."""""

Im saying that if you understood salvation, you would be posting about it, vs, talking about your sin issues, while you believe that the other members have the same issues you have.

What you call my 'sin issues', is you taking issue with the truth of if we do sin, we need confess our sin to be forgiven by Jesus, just like anyone else on earth.

That is the truth you hate, because you have convinced yourself, that you are already preforgiven and have no need to confess anything to be forgiven. And so you sear your conscience and harden your heart to the work of the Holy Spirit, which is to convict any one sinning against God. He does so by love to bring the sinner, whether naming Christ or not, to forgiveness and repentance.

Because your conscience is seared, you can't even frame to pronounce the argument correctly.

I posted your lie. You can't post mine, you can only pretend it happened.
See, Im always honest.
I have over 300 Threads posted on this Forum, and over 6000 posts.
Not one lie in them..

By the sum of your doctrine, I do believe that nothing you say can possibly be a lie and untrue to you:

1. You can't be condemned for anything anymore, therefore, you can't do anything to be condemned by.
2. You believe letters of Scripture on paper is dead, and the only thing that matters to you, is what you have written on your own heart and mind, by your own faith alone.

Therefore, when you think and speak, it must be as words proceeding from the mouth of your God. You.

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.


You need to find some sinners to preach your message, if you are of that mind.
But the Members here, don't need it, as i told you.

You don't need nor want it, and yet you continue to return to it.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

I'd like to think it's because your conscience is not completely burned.

I noticed you are not posting 20 more OSAS posts per week, lately.
Apparently a Mod told you to stop that nonsense.
I bet you've had trouble sleeping because you can't keep kicking that dead horse to death, some more.

I have hopes you still have something new to post about. So far, you have been a dead horse that keeps needing a kick or two.

My Sin is all on Jesus.

No, your sinning is not Jesus' fault.

He is my "sin bearer"., as "God made Him to be sin for the world".

Jesus bears the sins of the whole world, that any who confessed to Him their sinning, can be freely forgiven their old sins.

What i have is "the righteousness of God, in Christ"., as do all the born again.

What you have is a doctrinal righteousness only by your own faith alone. You don't have the righteousness of Jesus, by doing it as He does.

This is of course confirmed, by that fact that you never speak of doing righteousness, but only of having it.

And you only can say you are not still sinning, by saying unrighteousness works of the flesh is no longer counted as sin for you, but only for those not hypocritically naming the name of Christ.


You, Robert. need to endlessly talk about SIN and sinning, because you have an issue with it......and here you are talking about it more, as i said you would.

As I said, you're the one that keeps coming back for more.

According to your posts and Threads, you're a deceived Cross rejecting fakir.

That must make me a fakiry.

So, believe me when i tell you, that your opinion, means nothing to me.

Which is why you no doubt keep coming back for more.

Let's see who can do without who. Just go away, and so will I. Although, if your deep pit hasn't run completely dry, then I would miss any new doctrine dirt you may still have.

I view Online Forums as an Online Church.
People like you, who do not understand God's Grace, or the Blood Atonement, should be prevented from using the Forum to preach your deception to Real Believers.

Bingo! You actually think you are going to make your church everywhere, and anyone not agreeing with you, must be banned from sight.

I say this with all honesty: the beast making war with the saints is still mostly spiritual and doctrinal only, as you are doing, but when he does rise up to have worldly powers again, you will be one of those in the back seats tisk tisking the fact that it is now necessary not just to ban the preachers of righteousness against sinning, but to have them bodily killed if they repent not.

The spirit of Cain is still in the world.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain was the first believer in being righteous by his own faith alone, and hated both God and man, that proved otherwise by doing it.

 

[robert derrick]

True repentance by the believer is actually initiated by God through the working of His Spirit in the believer ~ and in this life ongoing in nature, re-initiated and sustained in the believer by said Spirit, Who convicts us of our sin. As Paul says to the Church in Rome ~ and so to all of us ~ it's God's kindness that leads... not led, but leads... us to repentance (Romans 2:4). And, as John says, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). So even our true repentance, and of course His faithful forgiveness, is all really a work of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit): glory is His and His alone.

Since I already know how you believe you are no more condemned for anything you do, then your words are hollow doctrinal justification for you, while doing unrighteous works of the flesh.

Some glorify themselves by thinking repentance is solely the work of man, thus making him deserving of God's forgiveness. But such is prideful and sinful.

You haven't repented of doing sinful works of the flesh, and so try to say those who do repent, are just self-righteous glory hounds.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You don't love the righteous saints and brethren, who do righteousness and not just talk about it by faith alone. Like Cain you resent them, and falsely accuse them.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

And you do so with a kiss. Afterall, how can you speak grace and peace to the proud and puffed up?

 

[PinSeeker]

Since I already know how you believe...

you mean you know how you've foisted on me multiple things I do not believe...

...you are no more condemned for anything you do...

Well, no longer condemned for my sin, but very much still subject to judgment and discipline.

...your words are hollow doctrinal justification for you...

But that's just it, Robert, they're not my words. Paul says of himself at the end of Romans 7 that he has been delivered from his body of death by God through Jesus Christ our Lord, so now, he serves the law of God with my mind, even though with his flesh he still serves the law of sin. The same is true of all of us, and what he says right after that is, too, that there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of life has set us free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. These are Paul's words, Robert, and ultimately God's. That's what you're calling hollow, Robert. I'd repent of that if I were you. :)

You haven't repented of doing sinful works of the flesh...

not only are you wrong about that, you cannot possibly know that, nor can I you.

...and so try to say those who do repent, are just self-righteous glory hounds.

And so I did nothing of the sort.

You don't love the righteous saints and brethren...

Again, not only are completely wrong about that, you cannot possibly make that determination, nor can I you.

Like Cain you resent them, and falsely accuse them.

That would be all you, Robert. All you.

...how can you speak grace and peace to the proud and puffed up?

Like Paul, I wish God's grace and His peace, even the Prince of Peace, on everyone, Robert. May the grace of Christ our savior, and the Father's boundless love, and the Holy Spirit's favor rest upon you from above.

PinSeeker.

 

[robert derrick]

But that's just it, Robert, they're not my words. Paul says of himself at the end of Romans 7 that he has been delivered from his body of death by God through Jesus Christ our Lord, so now, he serves the law of God with my mind, even though with his flesh he still serves the law of sin. The same is true of all of us, and what he says right after that is, too, that there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of life has set us free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. These are Paul's words, Robert, and ultimately God's. That's what you're calling hollow, Robert. I'd repent of that if I were you. :)

I've already responded to this. When you acknowledge my response and show it's wrong, then I'll be glad to hear how.

Well, no longer condemned for my sin, but very much still subject to judgment and discipline.

Now this, however, is something new. Thanks.

You now say that you are indeed judged when doing sinful works of the flesh, but not judged as being the condemned.

We are judged as sinning, but not condemned for sinning: judgement and condemnation are now doctrinally separated.

While sinning, the world and God can judge that we are indeed sinning, but no man can condemn us for it, because God does not.

God's judgement is only to agree with you that you sinned, but does not condemn you for sinning itself.

First there is separation of faith from works, and then there is separation of judgment from condemnation.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

God's judgemnt is His condemnation. Escaping God's condemnation, is escaping His judgment.

Once again, as with faith alone without works, there is not one without the other.

There is no such thing as the faith of God alone without works, and there is no such thing as the judgment of God alone without condemnation.

This is imply more insight into how to do the things of the world, while escaping the condemnation of the world, by doctrinally separating the judgment of God and His condemnation. We can be at enmity with God by wicked works, and judged as doing so, but no more condemned for it.

According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

By doctrine alone, you have successfully escaped the condemnation of the world, without escaping the corruption of the world, by separating judgement and condemnation.

God and man and angels can rightly judge and say we did sin, they just can't condemn us for it anymore.

Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

Yes, we can steal, and we can even be judged as stealing, but we cannot be condemned for it. Doctrinally speaking: we have escaped the condemnation for stealing, without escaping the stealing.

We now doctrinally have the divine power in heveanly places not to be condemned, while at the same time doing sinful works of the flesh on earth.

Like Paul, I wish God's grace and His peace, even the Prince of Peace, on everyone, Robert. May the grace of Christ our savior, and the Father's boundless love, and the Holy Spirit's favor rest upon you from above.

PinSeeker.

So long as you keep coming up with new insight into the thinking of your mind and doctrine, then I'll count it as the fascinating blessing that it is.

P.s. The chastisement of the Lord for His people, is not the morning after that all flesh must suffer from the drunken night before. It is the same as it was first with Adam and Eve, the children of Israel, and now Christians: Spiritual death and separation from Christ.

Now we can confess from the heart and be forgiven, but not while doing it with the devil.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

The problem with going by one's own faith alone, and the doctrine made by it, is that it does not take Scripture and Christ serious enough, to know that He does do His own word.

Men may not mind fellowshipping with the devil from time to time, but at those times, Jesus has nothing to do with the the sinner nor the devil.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,


But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

By mercy Christ can draw us to Him to repent and be forgiven by Him, but no man has Christ nor His Spirit while sinning against Him, to go off and sup with the devil some more.

The disobedient are not believing Jesus is Lord and Judge of all the earth, that condemns all sinners on earth as being separated from Him and His Spirit:

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens.