I heard someone say yesterday that religion can get in the way of faith. Struck me as an odd statement. What do you think?
Religion get in the way of faith?
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A lot of religions are man-made, and people trust in all kinds of things except for the One Who is THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life. They want to add their own works that God does not accept as payment for sin. God rejected Cain's sacrifice the work of his own hands, but He accepted Abel's blood sacrifice. ONLY the blood of a perfect Lamb was able to pay for our sins, but people want to be able to take credit for getting themselves into heaven.
Hi Josh,
I did not think that was odd at all. Consider the following: The Pharisees were the religionists of their day.
Religious people don't think they are blind and don't care for anyone to tell them so. Just read Matthew 23 to hear Jesus' rebuke of them.
Axehead
I did not think that was odd at all. Consider the following: The Pharisees were the religionists of their day.
Religious people don't think they are blind and don't care for anyone to tell them so. Just read Matthew 23 to hear Jesus' rebuke of them.
Axehead
Being "religious" is not antithetical to Christianity. Calling everyone who is "religious" a Pharasee IS however.
There are different ways to be religious. I am talking about religionists like the Pharisees not people that take care of orphans and widows. They are not considered "religionists". I am speaking of false religion, not true religion. Just as there is counterfeit Christianity and true Christianity, the false church and the true church.
Axehead
Yes religion DOES get in the way of faith. Religion is man's way of finding God. Faith is God's way of showing Himself to man.
Big difference don't you think?
Big difference don't you think?
Another form of religion:
Religion is man's way of justifying themselves before men, but God knows their hearts.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Luke_10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
Speaking to the Pharisees (religionists of their day) once again.
Luke16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Axehead
Religion is man's way of justifying themselves before men, but God knows their hearts.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Luke_10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
Speaking to the Pharisees (religionists of their day) once again.
Luke16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Axehead
Utter foolishness. If you aren't going to bother recognizing legitimate differences between the two then I would wager you're not really that serious about truth at all. If one is willing to play fast and loose with the truth when it comes to their little pet peeves, they can never be trusted with more serious matters of salvation and eternal life.
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Hey there Big,
For everything good there is a counterfeit for everything true there is the false. Is there "true religion"? Of course, James talks about it. The fact that he uses the adjective "pure" and "undefiled", before the word "religion", implies that there is impure and defiled religion, too. And we can see impure and defiled religion not only throughout the Bible but in everyday life, too.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Let me clarify the original OP since it is not clear enough.
False, defiled religion gets in the way of faith.
If you have been a Christian for awhile, you should understand this. If not, start with the story of Cain.
I am sure the person who started this thread must have had false religion in mind otherwise if he only thought pure religion existed, then why would he ask such a question? Those of us who know about false, counterfeit religion knew what the original OP is implying.
Axehead
Hey there Big,
For everything good there is a counterfeit for everything true there is the false. Is there "true religion"? Of course, James talks about it. The fact that he uses the adjective "pure" and "undefiled", before the word "religion", implies that there is impure and defiled religion, too. And we can see impure and defiled religion not only throughout the Bible but in everyday life, too.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Let me clarify the original OP since it is not clear enough.
False, defiled religion gets in the way of faith.
If you have been a Christian for awhile, you should understand this. If not, start with the story of Cain.
I am sure the person who started this thread must have had false religion in mind otherwise if he only thought pure religion existed, then why would he ask such a question? Those of us who know about false, counterfeit religion knew what the original OP is implying.
Axehead
Religion says,, " look at me see what I am doing",
Faith says," oh Jesus finish this work it is your not mine no glory in it for me".
Religion says, " you must".
Faith says ," Jesus did it all , it is finished"
Religion says, " you are a sinner come here and pay for your salvation"
Faith says," Jesus has already paid the price in full, once and for all, no more to add"
Religion says", come here for we have the truth"
Faith says" Jesus is the truth"
Religion says, " come for we know the way"
Faith says," Jesus is the only way"
In All His love
Faith says," oh Jesus finish this work it is your not mine no glory in it for me".
Religion says, " you must".
Faith says ," Jesus did it all , it is finished"
Religion says, " you are a sinner come here and pay for your salvation"
Faith says," Jesus has already paid the price in full, once and for all, no more to add"
Religion says", come here for we have the truth"
Faith says" Jesus is the truth"
Religion says, " come for we know the way"
Faith says," Jesus is the only way"
In All His love
Hi mjrhealth,
Amen! How did you come to learn these things? I would assume, "experience". :)
Axehead
Statements like this make one fall off the other side of the horse and back into a man made religion. Removing exhortation from the faith means that every man can do as he pleases thus creating lawlessness and unreality.
Religion is something the old nature likes to hide behind...putting up a facade and veneer of being godly so as to be able to sin and get away with it. Much of Christianity today is structured for this very purpose.
The faith of Jesus Christ is according to the effectual working of a new life in the Spirit. Those who have embarked on the way of Christ need to exhort one another daily to fight the good fight.
So the nature of our warfare is according to the nature we are living by.
Kind of over-reacting there bud. I'm with Axe on the post by 'mjrhealth'. It is understood and accepted in the spirit it was given.
You however do sound like a Sovereignist?
Episkopos, you reminded me of another Biblical definition for "religion" as we are using it here in this post.
2Tim3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (We are commanded to turn away from them).
Yes, Him working in us. Amen!!
What people fail to understand is that our adversary, the Devil is out to destroy us. That is the nature of a battle. He is not just trying to bruise or scratch us.
Yes, very simple. If we walk by the flesh we will fight by the flesh and if we walk by the spirit our warfare will be in the spirit.
Axehead
Did I leave out
Religion keeps us in bondage
Faith in Christ sets us free.
The more we abide in Him and Him in us the greater the freedom the greater the revelation
In all His most abundant Love
Religion keeps us in bondage
Faith in Christ sets us free.
The more we abide in Him and Him in us the greater the freedom the greater the revelation
In all His most abundant Love
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