Remembering 9/11

[Ronald Nolette]

Though it happened 21 years ago, 9/11 will forever be burned in my memory. Why? Because these buildings (three trade center towers and the pentagon) were deliberately attacked and precision dropped not by the planes but possibly by oour own government.

why do I say that?

1. The two towers were precision dropped. 95% of the fuel exploded on contact and jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. Also all high rises in NYC have to be built with flame retardant materials and office furnishings have to be flame retardant.

2. The fires in the end were burning dark grey and black which is a sign of oxygen starved fires (except for some chemical fires)

3. Buildings hit on one side would collapse on the side with the greatest damge and just the floors from the crash and above would tip and fall.

4. The twin towers fell straight down. There is a pancake process that when a high rise drops, more and more of the material from the dropping section crumbles and eventually the force of th esupporting lower floors would stop a fall.

5. The buildings fell at near free fall speed which means that there was little to no resistance meeting th eupper floors cascading down on the lower floors. This means that the supporting columns were exploded. If you can find some of the old videoa AE for 9/11 truth, you will see that as the towers were dropping, squibs of smoke from lower floors were pushing out, exactly as they do in a planned drop of a building.

6. Building 7 was hit only by debris and did not have enough fire (no jet fuel and flame retardant construction and furnishings) to collapse. If you compare planned drops of buildings and building 7 you will see they fall the exact same way!

7. The Pentagon was hit by a missile. Over 500 pilots have signed off saying that no plane could make the turn (supposedly a 727 or 737) that the alleged plane made.

8. Modern commercial planes cannot fly as low as what hit the pentagon without creating a vortex that would cartwheel the plane.

9. Lack of plane debris. Look at any other photo of a plane crash- even into a building and you will see p[lane parts, tires, parts of the tail, jet engines, seats, luggage and clothing and body parts strewn about from teh impact of the plane. There was none at the pentagon site! AEA for 9/11 truth has video of the pentagon less than 30 minutes after teh crash showing no signs of that debris.

10. though only surmised by scraps of info, there is a theory that based on the scant info available, the hits were intentional because there was a possible financial scandal ready to blow up that could have (I repeat could) have brough tdown the American Govt.

11. When you look at a frame by frame montage of the planes hitting the towers, you will see that the planes are grey and no the typical white or bright colors of commercial airliners. AFAIK only military planes and northwest airlines (which was involved in the crashes) are grey.

There is an organization with over 15,000 signatories called Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth that has produced enormous amounts of evidence that these were intentionally dropped buildings and a non plane strike on the pentagon. These are all professionals with masters and asbove in architecture, structural engineering, construction, aviation, chemistry, physics, and other specialties that would deal with these kind of events.

Finally , six months before the 9/11 event, both towers had elevator banks closed at intervals and the doors protected by armed guards! No one ever puts armed guards at elevators that are undergoing maintenance work. However as the towers main suppoprt girders were around the elevator banks, and to drop a buiilding you need to wire the main girders,........ you do the math.

 

[shortangel]

i hope people never forget what happened it was sooooooooo sad

 

[Jay Ross]

Though it happened 21 years ago, 9/11 will forever be burned in my memory. Why? Because these buildings (three trade center towers and the pentagon) were deliberately attacked and precision dropped not by the planes but possibly by oour own government.

why do I say that?

1. The two towers were precision dropped. 95% of the fuel exploded on contact and jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. Also all high rises in NYC have to be built with flame retardant materials and office furnishings have to be flame retardant.

2. The fires in the end were burning dark grey and black which is a sign of oxygen starved fires (except for some chemical fires)

3. Buildings hit on one side would collapse on the side with the greatest damge and just the floors from the crash and above would tip and fall.

4. The twin towers fell straight down. There is a pancake process that when a high rise drops, more and more of the material from the dropping section crumbles and eventually the force of th esupporting lower floors would stop a fall.

5. The buildings fell at near free fall speed which means that there was little to no resistance meeting th eupper floors cascading down on the lower floors. This means that the supporting columns were exploded. If you can find some of the old videoa AE for 9/11 truth, you will see that as the towers were dropping, squibs of smoke from lower floors were pushing out, exactly as they do in a planned drop of a building.

6. Building 7 was hit only by debris and did not have enough fire (no jet fuel and flame retardant construction and furnishings) to collapse. If you compare planned drops of buildings and building 7 you will see they fall the exact same way!

7. The Pentagon was hit by a missile. Over 500 pilots have signed off saying that no plane could make the turn (supposedly a 727 or 737) that the alleged plane made.

8. Modern commercial planes cannot fly as low as what hit the pentagon without creating a vortex that would cartwheel the plane.

9. Lack of plane debris. Look at any other photo of a plane crash- even into a building and you will see p[lane parts, tires, parts of the tail, jet engines, seats, luggage and clothing and body parts strewn about from teh impact of the plane. There was none at the pentagon site! AEA for 9/11 truth has video of the pentagon less than 30 minutes after teh crash showing no signs of that debris.

10. though only surmised by scraps of info, there is a theory that based on the scant info available, the hits were intentional because there was a possible financial scandal ready to blow up that could have (I repeat could) have brough tdown the American Govt.

11. When you look at a frame by frame montage of the planes hitting the towers, you will see that the planes are grey and no the typical white or bright colors of commercial airliners. AFAIK only military planes and northwest airlines (which was involved in the crashes) are grey.

There is an organization with over 15,000 signatories called Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth that has produced enormous amounts of evidence that these were intentionally dropped buildings and a non plane strike on the pentagon. These are all professionals with masters and asbove in architecture, structural engineering, construction, aviation, chemistry, physics, and other specialties that would deal with these kind of events.

Finally , six months before the 9/11 event, both towers had elevator banks closed at intervals and the doors protected by armed guards! No one ever puts armed guards at elevators that are undergoing maintenance work. However as the towers main suppoprt girders were around the elevator banks, and to drop a buiilding you need to wire the main girders,........ you do the math.

Oh, we have a bolt/many bolts shearing, and it/they lets out a loud bang as it does/they do so. Conclusion, we had an explosion. What hog wash.

The resulting fire from the planes crashing into the building does not have to melt any part of the steel structure to cause it to fail. The resulting fire only had to heat up the structural bolts a couple of hundred degrees centigrade to reduce the shear strength of the bolt such that it will fail at a much lower stress level. Heating the floor just above where the planes struct the twin towers with a number of floors above the respective floor in each building meant that the energy necessary to shear each floor as the towers collapsed was relatively small. As the shear bolts became elevated in temperature, so the energy necessary to cause the building to start to collapse is drastically reduced.

All high-rise buildings have been designed to fail/collapse in this manner to limit the damage to surrounding buildings. Oh well, that above conspiracy theory will continue through the ignorance of the people perpetuating this delusion.

 

[JohnPaul]

I was across the Newark Bay, in New Jersey, where I worked you could literally swim there if you wanted to, I saw it happen.

Never forgive, Never forget.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Oh, we have a bolt/many bolts shearing, and it/they lets out a loud bang as it does/they do so. Conclusion, we had an explosion. What hog wash.

The resulting fire from the planes crashing into the building does not have to melt any part of the steel structure to cause it to fail. The resulting fire only had to heat up the structural bolts a couple of hundred degrees centigrade to reduce the shear strength of the bolt such that it will fail at a much lower stress level. Heating the floor just above where the planes struct the twin towers with a number of floors above the respective floor in each building meant that the energy necessary to shear each floor as the towers collapsed was relatively small. As the shear bolts became elevated in temperature, so the energy necessary to cause the building to start to collapse is drastically reduced.

All high-rise buildings have been designed to fail/collapse in this manner to limit the damage to surrounding buildings. Oh well, that above conspiracy theory will continue through the ignorance of the people perpetuating this delusion.

Wrong! Teh bolts are made of the same special steel that the support columns are and structural steel takes 1000C to merely soften.

The towers were built to withstand a crash from a 707 so your theory is hogwash.

And no, the energy needed to collapse each successive floor increases! Why? Well you can even do this at home and see for yourself. As a building collapses, material from the part that is hammering down (the floors from the fire and above) loses material at teh same rate it pulverizes material on the lower floors. So the North tower if it was symmetrically blown up (which it wasn't) would have dropped about 20 floors before teh material dropping down would lose mass enough to no longer collapse any more floors. This is all in structural engineer books.

And NO also, steel rivets do not just pop out under pressure. If that were teh case, when a building is intentionally dropped (as the three towers were) they would not have any need to wire multiple floors all the way down with explosives! they would just have to drop say the top 20% withj explosives and let gravity do the rest and pop the rivets out! or bolts.

And no the floors that were several floors lower as the building were dropped showed the squibs of explosive materials, not bolts popping. Look at slo-mo frames of buildings being intentionally dropped and see teh squibs of smoke several floors below the dropping building. That is done to clear resistance so the building can drop at free fall. Supporting steel structures would hamper, slow and eventually halt any building being dropped if the girders were not wired. Then look at all three towers!

They all fell at free fall speed, teh exact same way an intentional dropped building does.
They did not crack, shred and eject massive pieces of building as a disaster causes, especially a fire.
The piles of debris showed a vaporization of steel and concrete and glass! That doesn't happen in an accident that brtings a building down.

Fire has NEVER brought down a high rise. There are dozens of of videos showing high rises, some completely consumed in flames and they did not fall. Why? Because normal fire cannot reach the temperatures needed to soften steel or melt it as is th ecase that happened at the wTC.
Why did the firs in teh rubble burn for 117 days in a building made with flame retardent materials and furnishings as required by NYC codes?

As the planes took out a quadrant or half of the building- it should have fallen at an angle wherew the hole was blasted into teh building! Buildings just simply do not drop symmetrically when they are damaged in a 1/4 or 1/2 of the structure. They tip over where the damage occurs. Don't believe me? Go and cut trees down. Watcthem all fall in teh direction of the cuts and not straight down. This is a law of physics!

 

[JohnPaul]

Conspiracy theory aluminum foil hat wearers beware!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Conspiracy theory aluminum foil hat wearers beware!

Maybe you should listen to some of the "tin foil hat wearers" as you call them. these are all professionals in all the fields to study buidings, fires, chemical reactions, physics, aviation etc.

Or are you just content to being spoon fed what NIST came out with, that even for a non preofessional like me knew made absolutely no sense. Even experts in foreign countries looking at the events of 9/11 came out with the fact teh towers were dropped! Especcially building 7 which sufferred just sahrapnel damage and did not incur enough fire damage to drop that 67 story tower!

Also why did th eBBC report on the collapse of building 7 before it collpased? It is all there in videos!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

i hope people never forget what happened it was sooooooooo sad

Yes it was so sad! But what is even far worse and is brining America deeper into divine judgment is the facxt we support and rejoice in the murder of approx. 3,000 innocents each and every day in America though the abortion mills.

My heart was sick when after SCOTUS reversed ROE that marches occurred across the country with people shouting for the right to murder the unborn! then threatening violence against those who wish to stop them from murdering their children! As was said by a preacher once:

"If God doesn't judge America severely, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!"

 

[bluedragon]

Though it happened 21 years ago, 9/11 will forever be burned in my memory. Why? Because these buildings (three trade center towers and the pentagon) were deliberately attacked and precision dropped not by the planes but possibly by oour own government.

why do I say that?

1. The two towers were precision dropped. 95% of the fuel exploded on contact and jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. Also all high rises in NYC have to be built with flame retardant materials and office furnishings have to be flame retardant.

The fire on each floor had furniture and other flammables that increased the fire. Obviously, someone made flame retardant furniture up. I've built large structures and I'll inform you right now ....no one pays for a desk to be flame retardant.

2. The fires in the end were burning dark grey and black which is a sign of oxygen starved fires (except for some chemical fires)

There a huge hole in the side of the building. Not a oxygen starved fire at all. And the speed of the plane crashing through forced a hole out the other side of the building ....You really should look at the crash footage to know this is a completely false claim.

3. Buildings hit on one side would collapse on the side with the greatest damge and just the floors from the crash and above would tip and fall.

False ...the fire was spread the entire length of the floor ...the very structure of the building caused the engineered beams to bow and dislodge from the outer wall. As each collapsed all that weight from above was more than the structure of the floor could withstand.

4. The twin towers fell straight down. There is a pancake process that when a high rise drops, more and more of the material from the dropping section crumbles and eventually the force of the supporting lower floors would stop a fall.

Someone needs a serious lesson in the dynamics of weight, column and structural strength ....Collapsing brings another force to the structure. The structure is not built to withstand tons of collapse....Impossible to engineer.

5. The buildings fell at near free fall speed which means that there was little to no resistance meeting th eupper floors cascading down on the lower floors. This means that the supporting columns were exploded. If you can find some of the old videoa AE for 9/11 truth, you will see that as the towers were dropping, squibs of smoke from lower floors were pushing out, exactly as they do in a planned drop of a building.

Again, when floors collapsed, the air was forced out between the collapsing floor and the one below. Any human between the floor above collapsing on the floor below dies instantly.. Again ...someone doesn't know the dynamics of the structure to make this false claim.

6. Building 7 was hit only by debris and did not have enough fire (no jet fuel and flame retardant construction and furnishings) to collapse. If you compare planned drops of buildings and building 7 you will see they fall the exact same way!

7. The Pentagon was hit by a missile. Over 500 pilots have signed off saying that no plane could make the turn (supposedly a 727 or 737) that the alleged plane made.

Myth, my daughter was one of the witnesses that watched that plane crash into the Pentagon. She watched as it passed her and the kids. There were multiple witnesses that saw and photographed the plane as it went in...Her husband was in the White House that day. She had a reason to be there ....

8. Modern commercial planes cannot fly as low as what hit the pentagon without creating a vortex that would cartwheel the plane.

Every plane in the air ....does this ...It's called LANDING ...Look at footage of you tube of jets doing sound barrier, flying less than 50 feet above the ground.

9. Lack of plane debris. Look at any other photo of a plane crash- even into a building and you will see p[lane parts, tires, parts of the tail, jet engines, seats, luggage and clothing and body parts strewn about from teh impact of the plane. There was none at the pentagon site! AEA for 9/11 truth has video of the pentagon less than 30 minutes after teh crash showing no signs of that debris.

You should have been a Air Force military brat. Dad investigated multiple crash sites .....There is not always debris everywhere. An engine was outside the Pentagon at that crash site.

Flight 93 crashed straight into the ground ....I saw a F-104 nose dive straight into the ground ....No debris at all ...Just a hole.

10. though only surmised by scraps of info, there is a theory that based on the scant info available, the hits were intentional because there was a possible financial scandal ready to blow up that could have (I repeat could) have brough tdown the American Govt.

11. When you look at a frame by frame montage of the planes hitting the towers, you will see that the planes are grey and no the typical white or bright colors of commercial airliners. AFAIK only military planes and northwest airlines (which was involved in the crashes) are grey.

I'll explain this way ...Go to Talledaga. Go to Daytona....Sit in the second row of turn one. That's at 200 mph ...Now tell me exactly what you see .....nothing but blurred colors ...Not one image is zoomed in enough to give you a color on the plane coming in at 500 ....

There is an organization with over 15,000 signatories called Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth that has produced enormous amounts of evidence that these were intentionally dropped buildings and a non plane strike on the pentagon. These are all professionals with masters and asbove in architecture, structural engineering, construction, aviation, chemistry, physics, and other specialties that would deal with these kind of events.

No, they don't. No one invests all that time and money into crash events. Especially when no one is paying them. They can theorize ....

Finally , six months before the 9/11 event, both towers had elevator banks closed at intervals and the doors protected by armed guards! No one ever puts armed guards at elevators that are undergoing maintenance work. However as the towers main suppoprt girders were around the elevator banks, and to drop a buiilding you need to wire the main girders,........ you do the math.

This really belongs on a conspiracy topic ...Next thing we know ,,,,there were six shooters at the grassy knoll ...Forget who the actor was ..."The boys on the grassy knoll were dead within three hours, buried out in the desert." "How do you know that?" "Still got the shovel!"

 

[bluedragon]

Oh, we have a bolt/many bolts shearing, and it/they lets out a loud bang as it does/they do so. Conclusion, we had an explosion. What hog wash.

The resulting fire from the planes crashing into the building does not have to melt any part of the steel structure to cause it to fail. The resulting fire only had to heat up the structural bolts a couple of hundred degrees centigrade to reduce the shear strength of the bolt such that it will fail at a much lower stress level. Heating the floor just above where the planes struct the twin towers with a number of floors above the respective floor in each building meant that the energy necessary to shear each floor as the towers collapsed was relatively small. As the shear bolts became elevated in temperature, so the energy necessary to cause the building to start to collapse is drastically reduced.

All high-rise buildings have been designed to fail/collapse in this manner to limit the damage to surrounding buildings. Oh well, that above conspiracy theory will continue through the ignorance of the people perpetuating this delusion.

The company I worked for was hit by a tornado two weeks after I started work there. Since I had construction experience and the degree ....I was put in charge of constructing a new office. We were totally collapsed. I received an unsolicited bid to tear up the foundation, create a hole, then fill it back up with concrete. Over $200,000 of a one million dollar budget to rebuild. I waited until the site was cleared of debris. Walked the slab and could not find one crack. Every column had anchor pins (bolts) in the concrete. Every anchor pin was sheered off at the surface of the concrete. The engineer had retired that built the previous building. His license was still valid....He came out and walked with me asking questions about the new structure. He commented "There is not one valid reason to tear up this slab and start over .... " "Well, does $500 sound enough for a letter validating the condition of the slab?" "Sounds good to me." "Good take your wife out to dinner, she deserves it."

No one knows what happens to a structure until there is chance to look at everything that occurred. It cannot be factually duplicated on a computer program.

When the floor where the floor trusses collapsed first, not only was the force of that floor involved, but every floor above it was involved, more than the structure was design to withstand. Tons pressure too great for the immediate floor to withstand gave way. Puffs of DUST, not smoke from an explosion, was forced out when the floor above hit the floor below ...Some kids needed to stay in English and not delve into the MATH.

 

[JohnPaul]

This really belongs on a conspiracy topic ...Next thing we know ,,,,there were six shooters at the grassy knoll ...Forget who the actor was ..."The boys on the grassy knoll were dead within three hours, buried out in the desert." "How do you know that?" "Still got the shovel!"

Good one!

 

[LouisWilliams]

Yes it was so sad! But what is even far worse and is brining America deeper into divine judgment is the facxt we support and rejoice in the murder of approx. 3,000 innocents each and every day in America though the abortion mills.

My heart was sick when after SCOTUS reversed ROE that marches occurred across the country with people shouting for the right to murder the unborn! then threatening violence against those who wish to stop them from murdering their children! As was said by a preacher once:

Yes, the young Americans of today are sadly in some ways deeply radicalized, not only do they hate and despise pro-lifers, lots of them happily celebrate the British Queen's death. It is honestly very sad that they are so filled with anger and nihilistic hatred these days.
Office of anti-abortion organization in Wisconsin targeted in arson attack, police say | CNN
The Professor Who Caused An Uproar By Wishing The Queen “Excruciating” Pain On Twitter Is Defending Her Position

I'm honestly more than a bit worried for our future....I mean, why are we supposed to be hoping for America's future when its young people can't even have an ordinary civil discussion and celebrate death more than life, in more ways than one?

I was across the Newark Bay, in New Jersey, where I worked you could literally swim there if you wanted to, I saw it happen.

Never forgive, Never forget.

Well, as Christians, I think we should at least strive for forgiveness. But perhaps, yes, we should never forget. That day was truly a great tragedy.

But anyway, rest in peace, all those who died on 9/11, and may all those families affected find closure and healing, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

 

[Jay Ross]

Wrong! Teh bolts are made of the same special steel that the support columns are and structural steel takes 1000C to merely soften.

The towers were built to withstand a crash from a 707 so your theory is hogwash.

And no, the energy needed to collapse each successive floor increases! Why? Well you can even do this at home and see for yourself. As a building collapses, material from the part that is hammering down (the floors from the fire and above) loses material at teh same rate it pulverizes material on the lower floors. So the North tower if it was symmetrically blown up (which it wasn't) would have dropped about 20 floors before teh material dropping down would lose mass enough to no longer collapse any more floors. This is all in structural engineer books.

And NO also, steel rivets do not just pop out under pressure. If that were teh case, when a building is intentionally dropped (as the three towers were) they would not have any need to wire multiple floors all the way down with explosives! they would just have to drop say the top 20% withj explosives and let gravity do the rest and pop the rivets out! or bolts.

And no the floors that were several floors lower as the building were dropped showed the squibs of explosive materials, not bolts popping. Look at slo-mo frames of buildings being intentionally dropped and see teh squibs of smoke several floors below the dropping building. That is done to clear resistance so the building can drop at free fall. Supporting steel structures would hamper, slow and eventually halt any building being dropped if the girders were not wired. Then look at all three towers!

They all fell at free fall speed, teh exact same way an intentional dropped building does.
They did not crack, shred and eject massive pieces of building as a disaster causes, especially a fire.
The piles of debris showed a vaporization of steel and concrete and glass! That doesn't happen in an accident that brtings a building down.

Fire has NEVER brought down a high rise. There are dozens of of videos showing high rises, some completely consumed in flames and they did not fall. Why? Because normal fire cannot reach the temperatures needed to soften steel or melt it as is th ecase that happened at the wTC.
Why did the firs in teh rubble burn for 117 days in a building made with flame retardent materials and furnishings as required by NYC codes?

As the planes took out a quadrant or half of the building- it should have fallen at an angle wherew the hole was blasted into teh building! Buildings just simply do not drop symmetrically when they are damaged in a 1/4 or 1/2 of the structure. They tip over where the damage occurs. Don't believe me? Go and cut trees down. Watcthem all fall in teh direction of the cuts and not straight down. This is a law of physics!

You speak as if you have studied Structural engineering and are an expert on the impact of heat on the structural properties of steel.

The impact energy to shear the bolts of the twin towers as they collapsed was small in comparison to the potential stored energy of the building as it collapsed and as such the rate at which the building collapsed was not that much different to a bolt in free fall.

Yes, all of this information can be gleaned from research and books written on the subject matter, but you, in wanting to believe the conspiracy theories propagated, want to claim that the building was rigged with explosions.

The following graph and abstract of a book disprove your claimed expertise: -



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with the graph sourced from the following presentation at a 2002 conference: - download (psu.edu)

As a qualified Mechanical Engineer, who practiced for many years in combustion system designs, I was able to, from first principles, understand the physics of how the twin towers collapsed within months of the9/11 event. As for the fire-retardant covering of the steel structure, the planes crashing into the building would have caused this material to break away from the steel structure because of the violence of the planes impact on the building.

What was witnessed on 2001-9-11 was God allowing the attack on the religious pillars of the western Christian world to be attacked by three foul frog like evil spirits that came out of the mouths of Satan, the beast and the false Prophet. A fourth foul frog like evil spirit was sent by Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet, but God caused the people on that plane to rise up such that it crashed without performing the signs and wonders that the other three planes caused, which were seen live in many cases around the world.

Your attempt to explain away the 9/11 event as having no evil spiritual element in its unfolding is to dismiss God's prophetic words found in the sixth bowl judgement found in Revelation 16:12-16, which is still unfolding even today as the kings of the earth are being drawn into Assembling at Armageddon to be judged by God for their trampling of God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts over the past nearly 2,300 years.

By denying that 9/11 was a prophetic prophecy given by God around 2,000 years ago is to deny God and be a tranducer and a good and faithful servant of Satan by claiming that the way the twin towers were brought down can be explained by the planting of explosive in the building prior to the 9/11 event so as to remove the connect with Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet from being connected with the 9/11 event.

I also saw that connect with Satan, from reading the scriptures shortly after the (/11 event and the clincher for me was that I could foresee that the nations of the world would be drawn into one last attack against God's Holy Place in Jerusalem in our near future and for the kings of the earth to be judged at Armageddon at the same time that Satan, the beast(s) and the False Prophet will be judged in heaven and together they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit, the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years awaiting the time of their punishment.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see or hear of the unfolding of all of God's prophetic words contained in the Scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This really belongs on a conspiracy topic ...Next thing we know ,,,,there were six shooters at the grassy knoll ...Forget who the actor was ..."The boys on the grassy knoll were dead within three hours, buried out in the desert." "How do you know that?" "Still got the shovel!"

Well maybe you should do some hard looking yourself. I started down studying this when I first got home from work and watched trhe reruns of the towers falling. I told my wife they dropped those buildings! For how the towers fell, the speed at which they fell and the small pile of debris for such massive buildings all screamed this was a planned drop. I first thought that maybe because they were so tall that they had to install charges just in case of a sewrious accidnt like what happened.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As a qualified Mechanical Engineer, who practiced for many years in combustion system designs, I was able to, from first principles, understand the physics of how the twin towers collapsed within months of the9/11 event. As for the fire-retardant covering of the steel structure, the planes crashing into the building would have caused this material to break away from the steel structure because of the violence of the planes impact on the building.

Well combustion systems design is not very germaine to the study of the collpase of th etowers though you do have some excellent training is system design.

Fire retardant material ion the beams is not the ony thing. Walls, floors rugs office furnishings all had to be code approved! also over 95% of the jet fuel would have exploded and been gone within the first thirty seconds after the explosion as we saw on tv.

also as time elapsed we saw the smoke turn grey then hear black- as I am sure you know is a sign of a fuel starved fire.

And yes the elasticity of steel increases with temperature rises but astructural steel has to hit well over 900C before it becomes elastic enough to break. Jet fuel and fire retardant material simply do not burn hot enough to get the temperature that high!

Steel doesn't burn, but will melt! and we saw molten steel pouring out of one of the towers. Structural steel turns molten at 1315C

More later.

 

[bluedragon]

Maybe you should listen to some of the "tin foil hat wearers" as you call them. these are all professionals in all the fields to study buidings, fires, chemical reactions, physics, aviation etc.

Or are you just content to being spoon fed what NIST came out with, that even for a non preofessional like me knew made absolutely no sense. Even experts in foreign countries looking at the events of 9/11 came out with the fact teh towers were dropped! Especcially building 7 which sufferred just sahrapnel damage and did not incur enough fire damage to drop that 67 story tower!

Also why did th eBBC report on the collapse of building 7 before it collpased? It is all there in videos!

That building was designed to withstand a 707 hitting the building at 500 knots. That's insane. When I first saw the

Well maybe you should do some hard looking yourself. I started down studying this when I first got home from work and watched trhe reruns of the towers falling. I told my wife they dropped those buildings! For how the towers fell, the speed at which they fell and the small pile of debris for such massive buildings all screamed this was a planned drop. I first thought that maybe because they were so tall that they had to install charges just in case of a sewrious accidnt like what happened.

Structural engineer describes what went wrong inside the World Trade Center on Sept. 11: 12/01

Maybe it's time to expand your diligent study. It's lacking in reality.

1. Fire retardant was difficult, if not impossible to apply to the floor joists.

2. I'll say it again ...the damage involved several floors not one. The penetration of the planes went across two or more floors with each collision. The lower hit collapsed first, because the weight of the upper floors descended downward when the floor joists buckled. Tons more material.

Having worked with ABS Numerous times on multiple projects ...Their reputation and post mortem study excel in detailing how the buildings buckled due to the impact and the fire ....

I don't care what myths are out there ....There is not a building in the world designed to ward off a 707 coming in at 500 knots ...

You are debating construction and engineering experts here, not a lay person observation. Read the post mortem study and at least discover a more professional view ....Those buildings, if you have ever been in one that tall, are designed to sway ....they don't topple like a tree in the backyard. I know first hand because I suffer from motion sickness and have become motion sick during earthquakes as the buildings swayed. They simply won't topple over as you claimed.

 

[JohnPaul]

Yes, the young Americans of today are sadly in some ways deeply radicalized, not only do they hate and despise pro-lifers, lots of them happily celebrate the British Queen's death. It is honestly very sad that they are so filled with anger and nihilistic hatred these days.
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I'm honestly more than a bit worried for our future....I mean, why are we supposed to be hoping for America's future when its young people can't even have an ordinary civil discussion and celebrate death more than life, in more ways than one?



Well, as Christians, I think we should at least strive for forgiveness. But perhaps, yes, we should never forget. That day was truly a great tragedy.

But anyway, rest in peace, all those who died on 9/11, and may all those families affected find closure and healing, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

Forgive Islam? Never!!!

 

[bluedragon]

That's alright ...There were young Americans that celebrated the death of Kennedy.

 

[JohnPaul]

That's alright ...There were young Americans that celebrated the death of Kennedy.

The Kennedy’s turned out to be the biggest liberals after JFK got assassinated when his brother went after the people who got him elected and we all know who that was, as the old saying goes you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Ted Kennedy was the biggest piece of garbage that got away with murder and a alcoholic.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well combustion systems design is not very germaine to the study of the collpase of th etowers though you do have some excellent training is system design.

Fire retardant material ion the beams is not the ony thing. Walls, floors rugs office furnishings all had to be code approved! also over 95% of the jet fuel would have exploded and been gone within the first thirty seconds after the explosion as we saw on tv.

also as time elapsed we saw the smoke turn grey then hear black- as I am sure you know is a sign of a fuel starved fire.

And yes the elasticity of steel increases with temperature rises but astructural steel has to hit well over 900C before it becomes elastic enough to break. Jet fuel and fire retardant material simply do not burn hot enough to get the temperature that high!

Steel doesn't burn, but will melt! and we saw molten steel pouring out of one of the towers. Structural steel turns molten at 1315C

More later.

First off, having an understanding of combustion, is elementary in understanding how the burning fuel heated the structural steel and caused the building to collapse. My experience included steel heat treatment furnaces and the like. I do know that steel will dissolve in materials like zinc when the interface temperature reaches 420°C. That is also true for Aluminium, the steel will dissolve into the Al liquid when the liquid temperature of the Al goes above 452 °C. The liquid that you reported pouring out of one of the towers, was more likely a Al-Fe phase liquid.

Secondly, did 95% of the fuel ignite when the planes crashed into the buildings? Probably not. Most combustion that occurs is gaseous and not liquid or solid combustion, although both liquid and solid combustion do occur. Steel rusting is a form of combustion. Turn the steel into very fine powder, it will spontaneously begin to burn as it heats up. That is one of the problems that occur when you remove a gas filter from a high-pressure gas transmission pipeline if you do not place the removed filter, filled with iron powder, into a water bath to stop the air interacting with the iron powder.

Thirdly, fatigue also played a part in the collapse of the building. The wind shear of the building causes the building to sway, thereby, introducing a cyclic stress on the beams, columns and connection bolts. As these items heated up over a period of time after the crashes of the plane into the buildings, the allowable maximum stresses where there is a superimposed cyclic stress on top of the design stresses decreases as the UTS falls off rapidly after the steel members heat up.

Perhaps, you should listen to people with better expertise to explain what went down during the 9/11 event. It was a demonic spiritual attack, that was seen all around the world in real time, which is a part of the Rev. 16:12-16 prophecy. Or perhaps you have not put all of the facts together to come to this understanding.

Sadly, many Christians have not perceived this fact as well.

Shalom