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Reader,

are you born again?

THEN...
IF you are a good disciple or if you are not a good disciple you are still and always a disciple, because being BORN AGAIN is not caused by your good behavior, nor is it ended by your bad behavior.

Salvation is a GIFT from God. = never earned and never lost.

So.... just How ridiculous is this nutty idea = this completely biblically ignorant theology that is..."you can lose your salvation"?

Let me show you.

For you to lose your salvation, you would have to be "un-born again".

That can't happen.

Also, Jesus who is IN YOU..... would have to leave you, and the LORD JESUS THE CHRIST, told you that : "i will never LEAVE YOU or forsake you".
So did He lie?
Not quite.

And.....God would have to stop finishing your salvation.

Philippians 1:6

Jesus would have to stop being the finisher of your Faith.

Hebrews 12:2

Add what is more......

The born again are born again INTO the Spirit of God, being born again into it by God's Spirit, and God and Christ and the Holy Spirit are now and forever IN the Born again, Spiritually.
So, if you went to hell after you died, So would THEY.
That can't happen.

Now, just how STUPID and Theologically BACKWARDS and demonic..... is such a Cross rejecting theology that teaches that GOD's Salvation can be "lost"?
Yet Pulpits will teach you that demonic JUNK and so will DECEIVERS on a FORUM teach you the same DEVIL LED Theological LIE.

SAINT..... = Learn to hear them, and protect yourself from them., as these DARK LIGHTS will break your faith if you dont pay attention to what they are teaching you.
And once they have broken your faith, your discipleship is RUINED.

Listen Saint.
Are you born again: ?????
BORN AGAIN...... not just water baptized and faking being a Christian.
Im talking about....>"yes, i knew i was a hell bound sinner, lost without God and Christ and had no hope in this world....... and i heard the Gospel of Christ the Gospel of my Salvation.... and i kneeled at the CROSS and by FAITH SAID : YES LORD, I BELIEVE....> I BELIEVE.....I KNOW YOU ARE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD AND THE Only Way to Heaven".
I know it, and i believe it and THANK YOU JESUS FOR SAVING ME...

Have you ever done that in a church, in a car, in a jail, or anywhere???
If you did, then GOD heard your Faith, accepted it.... and gave you "the Gift of Salvation". and "the Gift of Righteousness".
He will never take them from you.
You can never lose them.
They are a Holy Gift From God that was eternally gained for you by Christ JESUS The LORD on THE CROSS, and they are a FREE GIFT.... and God gives them to you and you are SAVED by God's "Grace through Faith" .

= Born again.

To be born again is to have believed on Jesus, and God thereby gives your Spirit a NEW BIRTH into HIS SPIRIT, which is HOW you become a Son/Daughter of GOD.
If you took Christ into your heart by Faith, then GOD took you into Himself by Spiritual Birth.
Get that REVELATION. !

This is to BECOME.....>"One with God"... "IN CHRIST"......."Translated from Darkness TO LIGHT"......

"LIGHT" is both the Kingdom of God and its Jesus Himself who is """"THE LIGHT of THE WORLD"". And when you are born again, you become a part of GOD's Spirit, = Spiritual UNION........ "IN CHRIST"..... "ONE WITH GOD">.... and . you now exist there forever.... And that is why your New Testament says you are a "SAINT", an "heir of God".. a "joint heir with Jesus", and a "CHILD OF THE LIGHT"...

So, dont let some devil deceived self righteous fool, who is pretending to be a "teacher" or a "preacher" or similar..., destroy your FAITH , whereby GOD has given you Eternal Salvation and Eternal Life, through Christ.
Instead, rejoice in this REVELATION, REST in God's Eternal Gift of Christ on the Cross, and you'll find that the Grace of God will empower your Holy LIVING and so change your life that you'll KNOW you are Saved.
 

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Matthew 13:18-23 [NKJV]
"Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
  • "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand [it], then the wicked [one] comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
  • "But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; "yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
  • "Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
  • "But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands [it], who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

Would you care to explain how the "parable of the sower" fits with ...
So.... just How ridiculous is this nutty idea = this completely biblically ignorant theology that is..."you can lose your salvation"?

[Some will claim it teaches contrary to your OP as 4/5 of the people "received" the seed and lost it.]
 
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  • "But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; "yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while.
Being born again, is not to be "endured", or earned, or kept, or deserved.

The heretic, the self saver, the disciple of self righteousness, will always try to find a verse in the Bible or a few, that denies the GRACE OF GOD.

This type of deceived person, will never give Credit to Christ on the Cross, and will never talk about the Cross.
All they can do is try to prove that their SELF EFFORT, is going to save them, and keep them saved.
This is the CARNAL mind, that is trying to PERFORM for God, so that God will have you.

A),... He wont.

It is not by works but by Grace that you are saved.

So, dont be the one, who is not understanding or complying with = the Cross of Christ.
 

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Isaiah 28: 12-14 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,”
And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
So the word of the LORD to them will be,
“Order on order, order on order,
Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.
Therefore, hear the word of the LORD, O scoffers,
Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,

There is a connection between getting our rest and listening to the voice of the Lord. And note: reading the orderly line on line of text a little bit here and there is not the same thing as actually listening to Him. Not that we shouldn't study the Bible, but rather if and since we study the Bible we should know that Jesus is called The Word of God because His sheep hear His voice and listen to Him. That is what it means to be born again and to reside under His wings! We listen to Him as our Lord and that gives us rest.

Jn 3:6-8 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

We can see in the above verse that the born again person hears the sound of the wind - the Spirit of God - and we hear the Holy Spirit in words!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

That is why when we don't to the Lord via His Holy Spirit the Scriptures (the line on line of text( becomes the word of God to us instead of the Lord Jesus Christ speaking to us via His Holy Spirit. That doesn't result in rest but in being taken captice by the enemy.
 
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Jesus was the Word long before He had any Sheep, Karl.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!

Of course this thread was on rest, and He is the Lord of our rest. He mentioned that - that He was Lord of the Sabbath.

“For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Yet He is only our Lord if we get instructions from Him! If we don't actually hear from Him and get our instructions from Him, then He is not our Lord. So, if any of us are not listening to Him, then we don't truly get a Sabbath - a day of rest, ultimately, we will not ever enter into His rest, if we don't listen to Him! Therefore faith comes from hearing and we are saved by that hearing Him speaking to us. Eternal life in heaven with Him is our ultimate rest - our ultimate Sabbath day, for it is written on the seventh day He rested, but He also said that He nor His Father have rested to this day. So, the true rest is still to come for us and God.

So what is the "Sabbath", our day of rest now, but a sign of what is to come? Which is eternal life with Jesus Christ, and with the absence of evil, for eternity in the Kingdom of God.

Still, as for now it is written, that we "will" enter in and out and get rest. There is still work to do, souls to be won, and an enemy to be fought.

Jn 10: 9 “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

This is what it is like now to be His sheep. We hear His voice, and His sheep "WILL" go in and out and find pasture. That is because we follow Him by hearing His voice, and so He also takes us in and out to eat because of the enemy we battle with.


From my time with Him, and listening to Him along with my time around Christian churches, it seems Christians in general have poor understanding of the rest God has for us. That seems to be a result of Christians not listening to Him like we should. He once told me, "Karl, I am your rest."

Yeah - He was of course correct. No matter what time or day of the week it is, I find my rest and comfort from actually listening to Him and His Kingdom. It is written that His words are spirit and are life, so it is that my life is renewed by listening to Him, just like our rest renews us for each day and not just the "Sabbath day" be it Saturday or Sunday. Therefore the day we rest is actually "Today", or is their any of you who do not usually sleep at least once from one day to the next? So "Today" is the true day we need to enter into His rest, meaning the day to listen to Him.

And as for the true seventh day of rest, that has not come yet for Him.

Jer 17:24 “But it will come about, if you listen attentively to Me,” declares the LORD, “to bring no load in through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but to keep the sabbath day holy by doing no work on it,

Look closely at the above verse! Does it not explain that "it will come about" - so it has not yet come. And does it not explain "if you listen to attentively to Me", meaning listening to the Lord? And what city is He really talking about? Was it the current Jerusalem of this world or the new Jerusalem? Of course it is the new Jerusalem, because we noticed "it will come about", so not the old city but the new city that is to come to us from heaven!

Rev 3:12 ‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

A time "will come about" when we "will no longer go in and out to find pasture", because we follow Him and it is explained that "he will not go out from it anymore! Therefore the true 7th day of rest is still a day of prophecy and so our "Sabbath day" is a sign of what is to come, and we get that sign when we actually spend time listening to Him, and that should be everday called "Today" so the sign we have of that is that we indeed rest between each day called "Today". And so each night of sleep in the darkness is a sign that we are still in that battle with darkness in the spiritual realm. Thus we read "in the morning" for the rest renews for each morning.

Gen 19:27 Now Abraham arose early in the morning and went to the place where he had stood before the LORD;

Gen 21:14 So Abraham rose early in the morning and took bread....

Gen 22:3 So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey,

Exo 6:8 Moses said, “This will happen when the LORD gives you meat to eat in the evening, and bread to the full in the morning; for the LORD hears your grumblings which you grumble against Him. And what are we? Your grumblings are not against us but against the LORD.”

So, we still have evenings,. a need of a rest, and mornings, because we are not " listen attentively". We His church has not yet "overcome", so the seventh day and the New Jerusalem where we follow Him into but not out of. We still "will" be going in and out of the Kingdom of God for our rest and pasture. We still listen to Him on those days called "Today", or at least we should! How else are you going to get your rest?

Yet perhaps I have tried to explain too much of what He has explained to me? Perhaps His church just needs to keep seeking Him and what He tells them. I know I still need to remind myself to do that, and I have been listening to Him on those days called "Today" for over 20 years now and so I keep learning. I have learned that indeed my Lord Jesus Christ is my rest, and that my following Him by listening to His voice. That is what truly gives me comfort, understanding, and renews me to go on following Him.

And yes - the Word of God was around from the beginning, and He created all things. There will be a seventh day, as told, when He will rest, but it is not yet!

Eph 1:19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might

He and His father are still working for now!

Jn 5:17 But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.”
 

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Yet He is only our Lord if we get instructions from Him! If we don't actually hear from Him and get our instructions from Him, then He is not our Lord.


"Jesus is Lord", of all.

Unbelievers.
Believers.
Animals
The Cosmos

And every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess it, now, or later.

"EVERY".


Jesus is THE Lord.

"Of ALL".
 
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"Jesus is Lord", of all.

Unbelievers.
Believers.
Animals
The Cosmos

And every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess it, now, or later.

"EVERY".


Jesus is THE Lord.

"Of ALL".
Yes indeed!!!

I do want to put special emphasis on "Confess!"

There are those who say Jesus Christ is Lord, but they don't actually know Him - so they don't knowingly get instructions from Him, - therefore that are not "confessing" He is their Lord, but just parroting the statement they heard from other people. That is not true with the angels in heaven that serve Him. They get their instructions from Him, so they in their saying, "confess" Jesus Christ is their Lord and the Lord of lords and King of kings.

So we read:

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

The "no one can say" means that no one can confess. We can understand that because we do confess Him as our Lord who gives us instructions, and it can also be determined by reading the Scriptures:

Mat 7:22,23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Where we find people saying to Jesus, 'Lord, Lord' but they were not getting instructions from Him thought a personal relationship with Him, so it was not a confessing that He was their Lord, but just they are parroting what they heard from other people.

For the sake of the "Many" who are like that and will hear Him tell them that He never knew them! My hope for them is that they do make it about knowing Him personally by actually listening to Him and talking back and forth with them. To tie it in - it is from knowing Him and thus confessing Him as our Lord and Saviour who gives us instructions with we hear, which gives us the rest and peace within!
 
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Mat 7:22,23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Your verse does not apply to a Christian.
A Christian will never be told to "depart", as how can you depart from being born again into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God?

You can't.

So, the people who will be told to "depart" are religious, but they are not born again.

CHRISTianity, is simply Christ IN YOU and you born again, which is the proof.

How you behave has no effect on being born again, it only has effect on your discipleship.
 

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Your verse does not apply to a Christian.
A Christian will never be told to "depart", as how can you depart from being born again into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God?

You can't.

So, the people who will be told to "depart" are religious, but they are not born again.

CHRISTianity, is simply Christ IN YOU and you born again, which is the proof.

How you behave has no effect on being born again, it only has effect on your discipleship.


Yes = you are right to say that they are religious and not born again, but note that being born again means hearing the sound of the wind, and not just saying or thinking you are born again.

Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, and that His words are spirit and are life. So the hearing that a true born again person hears are the Lord Jesus Christ's words which come via His Holy Spirit to our spirit! It is from those "WORDS" which we get our instructions from Him!

The word of God we preach is near us, in our hearts and mouth, because that is were we find the words from His Holy Spirit personally talking to us. And so that is what is meant by "Christ in us" - which corresponds to Rev 3:20 where Jesus explains that He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice He is "come in to them" and eat with them and them with Him. So it is a conversation we get when we truly get to know Him. Just like any other person, we actually get to know a person by sitting down and talking with them. So not just because we say we know Him, or pretend we know Him, or say "in the name of Jesus", or saying "born again", but from actually and truly talking things over with Him whose has the words of God speaks them to us personally.

Now you are right to say that person will never be told to "depart" because that person does not the Lord and our Lord Jesus Christ knows the person. So, Jesus Christ would have to be a liar to say that He never knew them, and God can not lie!

Therefore what we need to do it seek Jesus Christ and talk back and forth with Him! Through Isaiah it was put this way:

Is 1: 18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.

Isaiah did not write anything about being "Born Again", but instead He talked about hearing (the wind) the Lord speaking to us via His Holy Spirit. It is the same thing. It is His sheep hearing His voice. It is covered in the foremost command which is "Hear, O Israel".

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; For the LORD speaks,

If you seek Him to hear from Him you find Him and do hear from HIm, but who believes that? Well - the person who did seek Him and thus started hearing Him via His Holy Spirit, that's who! Which is why Jesus explained that you must be born again and that meant that you would hear the sound of the wind (His Holy Spirit) and if a person does hear the sound of the wind (His Holy Spirit) they know that small voice of His speaks words to them. Ok - sometime we don't pay good attention, so His voice comes across more as a feeling or auction, but that just means we need to start paying more attention. How are you going to "reason together" if you don't hear His words?

So the proof is not really in the statement "born again' but in the personal relationship that we have with Him: meaning the conversations what we have in words with Him! That is the proof, the hearing the sound of the wind (Holy Spirit speaking to us in words) A person can get that confused, telling themselves and others they are "born again" and yet still not hearing the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ in words.

So I agree that a person must be born again, but just saying that does not make a person born again! Actually, hearing the Lord and having let Him in so the two of you talk to each other - that is the proof you are born again, and so it is that a testimony about Him is put in Jacob.

The first words I personally heard from Him were, "Read Your Bible". The most common words I hear from Him personally are, "Karl, I love you." The instructions that He gave me and still goes over with me are, "Karl, I want you to preach the Word, but not as it is so often preached today. I want you to preach I AM the Word of God." And I have heard from the person of the Father saying, "Karl, I want you to listen to My Son." And the Lord, my Lord Jesus Christ, gives me instructions, so I do confess that He is my Lord. That is a confession, not just me saying something. So it is that I find that I am a new creature in Him, because I find His Holy Spirit with His words now dwelling in me. And because of that I hear with my spiritual ears! That hearing means I have to, and now can test the spirits, which requires finding out if they confess Jesus Christ, His going to the cross and defeating death to rise again to the throne of God as Lord and King in the Kingdom of God. So I can also hear the angels that He sends to also watch over me, and minister to me too.

Yet too often when I come to this Christian forum and come across people who do not understand any of this. One person might tell me they believe in Jesus because they have read their Bible for 70 years, but then respond with disbelief about me hearing from Him. So they are depending on their understanding of the Bible instead of their knowing Jesus Christ personally from actually hearing His voice.

Then another wants to make it about saying, "in the name of Jesus Christ" but no matter that I advise him to seek the Lord Jesus Christ and listen to Him, he will not do that but only thinks he if saves because "in the name of Jesus Christ was said over him when he was baptized in water. He forgot that "MANY" will say they did thinks in the name of Jesus Christ but will be tossed away by Jesus Christ who will tell them that He never knew them.

And I have meet people who in the same way want to make it about "being born again", but they too give no real indication that they hear the words Jesus Christ has to say to them personally via the Holy Spirit. So they consider the proof there statement of being born again as opposed to their personal relationship with the Word of God (Jesus Christ) so it is questionable that they too really know Him. Do they hear the sound of the wind - meaning they actually spend time reasoning back and forth with the Lord Jesus Christ? Or are they just depending on a belief in the statement, "Born Again"? Just saying "born again" or you must be born again, does not save you! It does not mean you actually know Him!! Hearing and talking back and forth mean you know Him!! So it is that those born again hear the sound of the wind and we testify to what we know, and Jesus explained that just in case such a thing was happening.

Therefore consider carefully - do you hear the sound of the wind? Do you therefore have a testimony about what you are hearing that you can write in words?

I told you what I heard, and I can tell you so much more because I hear Him and have heard Him every day called "Today" for over twenty years now. I can testify about the hundreds and maybe thousands of time He had me pray for someone and they got healing from Him. I can give you many many saying and parables that He told me. I can give you lots and lots of teachings which He told me. Yet all that might must be boasting in Him. It might be necessary, but it might not be profitable because the person who is going to listen has already hear enough. So the rest is just a hope they might not hear when they have not before.
 

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Yes = you are right to say that they are religious and not born again, but note that being born again means hearing the sound of the wind, and not just saying or thinking you are born again.

Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, and that His words are spirit and are life. So the hearing that a true born again person hears are the Lord Jesus Christ's words which come via His Holy Spirit to our spirit! It is from those "WORDS"

Notice something Reader..

There are some people on this forum, who are anti-Cross, and completely legalistic.
They come to this forum and many others and post = self saving Cross denying Grace offending, LEGALISM.

They will all tell you that "the Lord told them what they believe", and "the Lord speaks to them" and "the Lord tells them that what they teach is His Truth".

Yet, its not.

So, my sound advice to a Reader who found my Post...........this one.. or any of my Threads....
Is this....
Do not follow voices in your head., as it might be the Devil or a demon, and you'll think its God or Christ.
This same one created Islam. Created the "cult of Mary"... Created Mormonism... Created the Jehovah's Witness cult.
He raises up "christian forums" that do nothing for God but cause chaos and strife.
And every one of these who created these cults i mentioned, would tell you that "God told me".
And they are right, as the "god of this world", certainly did, and they didn't know the difference.
Neither did JOHN CALVIN.
And so it is with people who teach that you can "lose your salvation". They are the same.....= deceived.
Do not listen to them.
= Avoid.

So Reader......Instead, learn what PAUL Teaches about GRACE, and the Gift of Salvation and the Gift of Righteousness.
Stay OUT of the book of Hebrews and out of Matthew 23 to the end of Matthew..... = Stay away from those until you are grounded in the correct understanding of Pauline Theology, as He is the Apostle who wrote church doctrine and all you have to KNOW regarding the Cross of Christ and the Redemption that is found by Faith and imputed by God.

If you are a new believer, then you go here.

Romans 3:21-28
Hebrews 13:9
Philippians 1:6

And you study those, meditate, and then continue with PAUL's epistles, and learn what the Grace of God, as the Cross of Christ has done for you.
Build your belief system on Paul's epistles, and from there God will give you more and more Light of Revelation.
And not until.
 
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Out rest comes from hearing Him - as I already add in this thread and the verse proving it.

So what about "born again" which instantly enters the OP?

Well, being born again means hearing the wind, which as His sheep who hear His voice - we know that it is the Holy Spirit who gives us His words, which can be proved by these verses:

Jn 3: 7,8 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

and Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So yes, a person must be born again, but the proof of that is hearing the words of Jesus Christ which the Holy Spirit speaks to us. And those words brings us rest. We believers understand that because we believers do hear His voice and thus know He comforts us, explains to us, teaching us, gives us wonderful counsels us, tells us He loves us, and from all that and more come the peace of God. Because He talks to us and we hear Him by faith we believe that He is God and He takes care of us. That gives us a restful feeling.

So. I guess a person could say we get rest because we are "born again", but who really thinks like that? I get rest and peace because I know Him and He talks to me. Of course, that does happen because I am "born again", but my thinking is not on that phrase but on every word that come out of His mouth for me.

Therefore, it seems to me the "Religious" person is the person making it about some religious act of statement, as opposed to actually making it about a relationship with Him.

Frankly, I tend to get tired of (not meaning rest but frustrated with) those people making it about religious statements and acts, instead of making it about our personal relationship with we have with Him. My rest in Him is not about religious sounding statements and acts. It is very simply a personal relationship with the King of kings. Let me give you an example.

I had a lot of work yesterday, as Christmas was winding down and I have a business. The orders, since it is an on-line business, were slowing and I was finishing up a bit early. I had an angel the Lord had sent, working with me. Too many Christians I have meet do not seem to understand that we not only have a King (Jesus Christ) but the King of kings has angels watching over us and ministering to us. (See Ps 91, and Heb 1 - if you don't know this) Anyway, this angel the Lord had sent was asking me if I would want to see a soccer game.

My son and daughter played soccer and the local high school, and now my son is a soccer coach at the local college. So I told the angel, "Sure, but where?" The angel had me look up the local high school and there was a game going on there. I could only catch the second half, but I had finished my work early. So I listened to the angel sent by the Lord and went to the game. It was a very nice afternoon. It was pretty warm where I was at, in Southern California. The Sun was slowly going down and the sunset was beautiful. The game was a bit lopsided, but in favor of the local high school. Frankly it was both kind of fun and very relaxing. It wasn't religious, but it was restful after a hard day and even period of work. And I would not have enjoyed it except for the King and His Kingdom talking to me. I hear the sound of the wind, and it results in a nice life for me.

So I don't make it about "being born again", thought it is true that we must be " born again". I make it about knowing the King who has a Kingdom, and hearing the sound of the wind, the Holy Spirit who makes it all possible for me to hear!

Understand that and you understand what you need to understand!
 

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Out rest comes from hearing Him

Our rest comes from Jesus who is the Peace of God and the Price of Peace, = that passes all understanding.
Its not by hearing Him , its by having Him inside us, that is our peace........ as by having the Living Christ inside = we are given "Peace, not as the world gives".

"faith comes by HEARING"......but Peace comes FROM God and Christ, BECAUSE they live inside us, = born again.

Jesus said...."come unto me all you that labor and are burdened down, and i will give you REST"

See that?
That is where Peace is found. And its not found by hearing that verse/words....Its found by DOING that verse......by doing what is says to DO.
 
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Reader,

are you born again?

THEN...
IF you are a good disciple or if you are not a good disciple you are still and always a disciple, because being BORN AGAIN is not caused by your good behavior, nor is it ended by your bad behavior.

Salvation is a GIFT from God. = never earned and never lost.

So.... just How ridiculous is this nutty idea = this completely biblically ignorant theology that is..."you can lose your salvation"?

Let me show you.

For you to lose your salvation, you would have to be "un-born again".

That can't happen.

Also, Jesus who is IN YOU..... would have to leave you, and the LORD JESUS THE CHRIST, told you that : "i will never LEAVE YOU or forsake you".
So did He lie?
Not quite.

And.....God would have to stop finishing your salvation.

Philippians 1:6

Jesus would have to stop being the finisher of your Faith.

Hebrews 12:2

Add what is more......

The born again are born again INTO the Spirit of God, being born again into it by God's Spirit, and God and Christ and the Holy Spirit are now and forever IN the Born again, Spiritually.
So, if you went to hell after you died, So would THEY.
That can't happen.

Now, just how STUPID and Theologically BACKWARDS and demonic..... is such a Cross rejecting theology that teaches that GOD's Salvation can be "lost"?
Yet Pulpits will teach you that demonic JUNK and so will DECEIVERS on a FORUM teach you the same DEVIL LED Theological LIE.

SAINT..... = Learn to hear them, and protect yourself from them., as these DARK LIGHTS will break your faith if you dont pay attention to what they are teaching you.
And once they have broken your faith, your discipleship is RUINED.

Listen Saint.
Are you born again: ?????
BORN AGAIN...... not just water baptized and faking being a Christian.
Im talking about....>"yes, i knew i was a hell bound sinner, lost without God and Christ and had no hope in this world....... and i heard the Gospel of Christ the Gospel of my Salvation.... and i kneeled at the CROSS and by FAITH SAID : YES LORD, I BELIEVE....> I BELIEVE.....I KNOW YOU ARE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD AND THE Only Way to Heaven".
I know it, and i believe it and THANK YOU JESUS FOR SAVING ME...

Have you ever done that in a church, in a car, in a jail, or anywhere???
If you did, then GOD heard your Faith, accepted it.... and gave you "the Gift of Salvation". and "the Gift of Righteousness".
He will never take them from you.
You can never lose them.
They are a Holy Gift From God that was eternally gained for you by Christ JESUS The LORD on THE CROSS, and they are a FREE GIFT.... and God gives them to you and you are SAVED by God's "Grace through Faith" .

= Born again.

To be born again is to have believed on Jesus, and God thereby gives your Spirit a NEW BIRTH into HIS SPIRIT, which is HOW you become a Son/Daughter of GOD.
If you took Christ into your heart by Faith, then GOD took you into Himself by Spiritual Birth.
Get that REVELATION. !

This is to BECOME.....>"One with God"... "IN CHRIST"......."Translated from Darkness TO LIGHT"......

"LIGHT" is both the Kingdom of God and its Jesus Himself who is """"THE LIGHT of THE WORLD"". And when you are born again, you become a part of GOD's Spirit, = Spiritual UNION........ "IN CHRIST"..... "ONE WITH GOD">.... and . you now exist there forever.... And that is why your New Testament says you are a "SAINT", an "heir of God".. a "joint heir with Jesus", and a "CHILD OF THE LIGHT"...

So, dont let some devil deceived self righteous fool, who is pretending to be a "teacher" or a "preacher" or similar..., destroy your FAITH , whereby GOD has given you Eternal Salvation and Eternal Life, through Christ.
Instead, rejoice in this REVELATION, REST in God's Eternal Gift of Christ on the Cross, and you'll find that the Grace of God will empower your Holy LIVING and so change your life that you'll KNOW you are Saved.
Interesting! Within your post you make to negative statements relative to your view. Seems you don't really believe what you are saying.
Just saying. I'll let you read and think about it before I show you the two statements.
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Reader,

are you born again?

THEN...
IF you are a good disciple or if you are not a good disciple you are still and always a disciple, because being BORN AGAIN is not caused by your good behavior, nor is it ended by your bad behavior.

Salvation is a GIFT from God. = never earned and never lost.

So.... just How ridiculous is this nutty idea = this completely biblically ignorant theology that is..."you can lose your salvation"?

Let me show you.

For you to lose your salvation, you would have to be "un-born again".

That can't happen.

Also, Jesus who is IN YOU..... would have to leave you, and the LORD JESUS THE CHRIST, told you that : "i will never LEAVE YOU or forsake you".
So did He lie?
Not quite.

And.....God would have to stop finishing your salvation.

Philippians 1:6

Jesus would have to stop being the finisher of your Faith.

Hebrews 12:2

Add what is more......

The born again are born again INTO the Spirit of God, being born again into it by God's Spirit, and God and Christ and the Holy Spirit are now and forever IN the Born again, Spiritually.
So, if you went to hell after you died, So would THEY.
That can't happen.

Now, just how STUPID and Theologically BACKWARDS and demonic..... is such a Cross rejecting theology that teaches that GOD's Salvation can be "lost"?
Yet Pulpits will teach you that demonic JUNK and so will DECEIVERS on a FORUM teach you the same DEVIL LED Theological LIE.

SAINT..... = Learn to hear them, and protect yourself from them., as these DARK LIGHTS will break your faith if you dont pay attention to what they are teaching you.
And once they have broken your faith, your discipleship is RUINED.

Listen Saint.
Are you born again: ?????
BORN AGAIN...... not just water baptized and faking being a Christian.
Im talking about....>"yes, i knew i was a hell bound sinner, lost without God and Christ and had no hope in this world....... and i heard the Gospel of Christ the Gospel of my Salvation.... and i kneeled at the CROSS and by FAITH SAID : YES LORD, I BELIEVE....> I BELIEVE.....I KNOW YOU ARE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD AND THE Only Way to Heaven".
I know it, and i believe it and THANK YOU JESUS FOR SAVING ME...

Have you ever done that in a church, in a car, in a jail, or anywhere???
If you did, then GOD heard your Faith, accepted it.... and gave you "the Gift of Salvation". and "the Gift of Righteousness".
He will never take them from you.
You can never lose them.
They are a Holy Gift From God that was eternally gained for you by Christ JESUS The LORD on THE CROSS, and they are a FREE GIFT.... and God gives them to you and you are SAVED by God's "Grace through Faith" .

= Born again.

To be born again is to have believed on Jesus, and God thereby gives your Spirit a NEW BIRTH into HIS SPIRIT, which is HOW you become a Son/Daughter of GOD.
If you took Christ into your heart by Faith, then GOD took you into Himself by Spiritual Birth.
Get that REVELATION. !

This is to BECOME.....>"One with God"... "IN CHRIST"......."Translated from Darkness TO LIGHT"......

"LIGHT" is both the Kingdom of God and its Jesus Himself who is """"THE LIGHT of THE WORLD"". And when you are born again, you become a part of GOD's Spirit, = Spiritual UNION........ "IN CHRIST"..... "ONE WITH GOD">.... and . you now exist there forever.... And that is why your New Testament says you are a "SAINT", an "heir of God".. a "joint heir with Jesus", and a "CHILD OF THE LIGHT"...

So, dont let some devil deceived self righteous fool, who is pretending to be a "teacher" or a "preacher" or similar..., destroy your FAITH , whereby GOD has given you Eternal Salvation and Eternal Life, through Christ.
Instead, rejoice in this REVELATION, REST in God's Eternal Gift of Christ on the Cross, and you'll find that the Grace of God will empower your Holy LIVING and so change your life that you'll KNOW you are Saved.
Interesting! You made two negative statements in your post that is opposite of what you are saying. Seems to me you are not quite sure you believe what you are saying. Just saying. I'll let you ponder about which are the two statements before I give them to you.
 

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Interesting! You made two negative statements in your post that is opposite of what you are saying. Seems to me you are not quite sure you believe what you are saying. Just saying. I'll let you ponder about which are the two statements before I give them to you.

I posted absolutely no statements that are "negative" in the since of contradiction.
I did post legit Pauline Theology.
(Try Wiki-pedia) and learn what that is....

Listen..
You stated a falose innuendo, unprovable, ...., based on being dishonest.
I'll let you think about what you are doing, Rioghtglory,.... and perhaps on another day you can correct your carnality.
I dont think it will be soon.... but you can decide that Rightglory.
Or, did you want to post more unprovable innuendo ?
Help yourself.
 

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I posted absolutely no statements that are "negative" in the since of contradiction.
I did post legit Pauline Theology.
(Try Wiki-pedia) and learn what that is....

Listen..
You stated a falose innuendo, unprovable, ...., based on being dishonest.
I'll let you think about what you are doing, Rioghtglory,.... and perhaps on another day you can correct your carnality.
I dont think it will be soon.... but you can decide that Rightglory.
Or, did you want to post more unprovable innuendo ?
Help yourself.
Wow, so offensive.
Here are your two negative statements.
#1
SAINT..... = Learn to hear them, and protect yourself from them., as these DARK LIGHTS will break your faith if you dont pay attention to what they are teaching you.
And once they have broken your faith, your discipleship is RUINED"

#2 "So, dont let some devil deceived self righteous fool, who is pretending to be a "teacher" or a "preacher" or similar..., destroy your FAITH , whereby GOD has given you Eternal Salvation and Eternal Life, through Christ."

Based on what you said in the rest of the threads introduction, how can these statements align? How can a believer "break" lose faith? How can a believer be enticed away?
Is not God going to keep them as you say?
Is God keeping their faith or can they lose their faith?
 

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Our rest comes from Jesus who is the Peace of God and the Price of Peace, = that passes all understanding.
Its not by hearing Him , its by having Him inside us, that is our peace........ as by having the Living Christ inside = we are given "Peace, not as the world gives".

"faith comes by HEARING"......but Peace comes FROM God and Christ, BECAUSE they live inside us, = born again.

Jesus said...."come unto me all you that labor and are burdened down, and i will give you REST"

See that?
That is where Peace is found. And its not found by hearing that verse/words....Its found by DOING that verse......by doing what is says to DO.


IT'S NOT BY HEARING HIM WHOSE NAME IS CALLED "THE WORD OF GOD"???????????

Did you not even read about what it means to be "BORN AGAIN" before you started shouting "Born Again" on the house tops??

God one verse in the Bible, without getting understanding of it and you start making all about that one verse when Jesus went on to explain that verse, even right there in the Bible - and you completely missed that verse!! Thereby you are surely not living by "every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God!

I point that out to you, but you didn't want to consider it even then - but let me point it out to you again:

Jn 3: 7,8 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Being "Born Again" means hearing from the Holy Spirit!!

And the Holy Spirit brings us the words of God which belong to Jesus Christ! Which I also proved to you using the Scriptures which are good for reproof.

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So why do you not understand what I am saying? Is it not the same reason those religious people in the past didn't understand Jesus?

Jn 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

If so that would explain why you didn't understand that what Jesus Christ (The Word of God) gives us are the words of God. Which would explain why you wrote:

Living Christ inside = we are given "Peace, not as the world gives".
And still failed to realize the words of God He gives us by sending His Holy Spirit with His words are what gives us peace!!

It is why it is explained that understanding comes from the mouth of God, and so not by leaning on your own understanding

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

The Lord speaks to us in parables and dark saying, but you could have gotten understanding if you listened to His words that come from His mouth - but that is not what you are shouting on the house top!

Ps 78:1,2 ...
Listen, O my people, to my instruction; Incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
I will open my mouth in a parable; I will utter dark sayings of old,

If indeed you were born again, then you would hear the sound of the wind via the Holy Spirit, just like Jesus explain being born again meant! You then would have testimonies about hearing via the Holy Spirit! Just like Jesus explained:

Jn 3:11 “Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

And you would know about and hear from the Kingdom of God which includes the King of kings, Jesus Christ, and the ministering angels that He sends for minister to those who will inherit salvation!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So I gave you a testimony to show what Jesus was talking about when He talked about being "Born Again"!

I mean you hear the sound of the wind, you will enter in and out of the kingdom of God, and you will have testimonies about that, but still people will not accept your testimony!

Jn 3:11 “Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

You picked up one verse, which was meant to get the Pharisee Nicodemus, to consider and start seeking the words of God which come via the Holy Spirit, but did not accept the testimony, just like Nicodemus. You are looking to religion, and specifically one verse in the Bible, instead of getting the wisdom that can lead to salvation through Jesus Christ!

2 Tim 3: 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The Scriptures are able to give you the wisdom (who is the Holy Spirit and Him speaking to you the words of God which He gets from the Son of God, Jesus Christ) but that does mean they did! You have to notice what is in all the verses, so to have noticed that you have hear the sound of the wind or you are not Born Again. You have to accept the testimony of those who do hear the sound of the wind, otherwise you just don't believe in Jesus Christ, whose words we find in our heart and mouths, because that is where we find what our spirit gets from the Holy Spirit. And that is the Word of God which we are preaching.

Rom 10: 8,9 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

It all ties together by the hearing the sound of the wind (the Holy Spirit)!

Jn 3:16,17 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

So the "Born Again" was supposed to leading to hearing the wind, the hearing the wind to the accepting of the testimony, which is able to give you the wisdom to seek Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit, and that results in the understanding that with Jesus Christ we get the words of God via the Holy Spirit and they mean life, even eternal life, to us!

There is peace that comes from walking and talking with Him, but not so much with trying to explain this to Pharisees. That lead to the cross, because they simply won't believe and accept our testimony about hearing the sound of the wind. So it is that those who hear will go in and out, finding pasture when in and a battle when not in the kingdom of God.

Jn 10:2 “But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. “To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

Jn 10: 9 “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

People - Knowing the Lord Jesus Christ means actually hearing from Him!! That is how we are lead, but hearing His voice! He gives us peace when we enter into the kingdom of God, and thus hearing the King and His host of heaven. We find pasture/peace there, but note that He leads us out also!! That is the leading for the cross, for the sake of those who do not hear from Him! It would be nice to just stay in that peaceful place with Him, but there is work to be done and the work of God is that none should perish. So it is that He asks me to post on this "Christian" forum where I should be finding people who know that Jesus leads us with His voice, which come across in words (that small voice of His)

He indeed, calls me by name "Karl", and speaks to me in words that I pick up in my spirit because they come from His Holy Spirit saying things like, "Karl, I love you", or "Karl, do you want to go on a walk with me?" He gives me teachings, wonderful counsel, and I see Him do might things, like growing out a leg of a person right in front of me, and I know Him as a friend and the Everlasting Father, and all that leads to the Peace of God, which is not of this world. Still, none of that happens except that I hear what He has to say and follow Him!

So what can be made from someone saying, "Its not by hearing Him"

I know what to say to that, 'They don't know Him and are not lead by His voice! They are not His sheep, because His sheep hear His voice and find pasture, even the kingdom of God!

Rev 4:1,2 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.” Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne.

Do we not even know the One sitting on the throne who says, "Come up here, and I will show you......" That is where are peace is!
 

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Being born again is never having been born, or an individual therein, at all.

Jesus told you "you must be born again".

My advice, is to leave your CULT, that has deceived you into believing that Jesus is kidding.

I promise you that Jesus died on the Cross to prove that YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, if you want to go to heaven.
If not.
Just stay in your cult, Phil
Have it your way.
You get to decide where you end up, after you die., and there is no 2nd chance to correct your cult's LIE after you are dead.
Believe it.
 

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Jesus told you "you must be born again".

My advice, is to leave your CULT, that has deceived you into believing that Jesus is kidding.

I promise you that Jesus died on the Cross to prove that YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, if you want to go to heaven.
If not.
Just stay in your cult, Phil
Have it your way.
You get to decide where you end up, after you die., and there is no 2nd chance to correct your cult's LIE after you are dead.
Believe it.

Jesus said that those born again hear the sound of the wind, that His "WORDS" were spirit, that His sheep hear His voice, that the religious pharisees didn't under because they didn't hear His "WORDS" and that those "Born Again" testified about what they knew but that pharisee didn't accept their testimony, and I testified to you about hearing His voice, and you don't accept that someone would hear His voice in "WORDS: even knowing that the Scriptures were written in words by those who wrote the Scriptures, you can't understand that we hear Him, whose name is called "THE WORD OF GOD" in "WORDS" that come to our spirit so that we find them in are hearts and mouth.

So who is telling you that you are born again, since all you write point to the opposite?

HIs sheep hear His voice and He lead us out by using "WORDS", and those who wrote the Bible testified in words about this. So what part do you have in that, since you don't understand this??

Perhaps, hopefully for you, that one day you will. Perhaps the Teacher will no longer hidden Himself so that you will understand this?

Is 30:12,13 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel, “Since you have rejected this word
And have put your trust in oppression and guile, and have relied on them,
Therefore this iniquity will be to you Like a breach about to fall,
A bulge in a high wall, Whose collapse comes suddenly in an instant,

Is 30:15 For thus the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said, “In repentance and rest you will be saved,
In quietness and trust is your strength.” But you were not willing,

Is 30:18 Therefore the LORD longs to be gracious to you, And therefore He waits on high to have compassion on you.
For the LORD is a God of justice; How blessed are all those who long for Him.

Why do you think I take the time to keep trying to convince you to seek "The Word of God"? Should you not come to know Him>

Is 30: 20,21 Although the Lord has given you bread of privation and water of oppression, He, your Teacher will no longer hide Himself, but your eyes will behold your Teacher. Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.

Do you read the Bible and still not know what it is like to know the Lord??? You will hear a word which might seem to come behind you, or from your heart, though where it comes from and where it is going you don't know, but never-the-less, you hear words saying things like "This is the way, walk in it" whenever you turn to the right or to the left!!


So that you might understand, let me give you another testimony:

He used to take me on yard sales a lot. He did it so I would get used to listening to Him telling me to "go that way", or "turn right on the next street", and "even continue straight, because I am not taking you to that yard sale." He would even show me what if anything He wanted me to get, do, or say! And I was told it all in "WORDS".

It was often very interesting. So many testimonies I could give you from just going to yard sales: Like when He told me that the man in front of me was a pastor. So I told the man running the sale, "Sir, you are a pastor".

He responded, "No I am just the youth pastor."

So I told the man, whom I had never seen before, that I told him that He was a pastor because the Lord told me he was. Therefore the Lord must consider the youth pastor to be a pastor.

How do you think the gift from the Spirit of the word of knowledge works? It works by hearing in words, what the Lord has to tell you! And if you care to believe it, all the gifts of the Spirit come from hearing "WORDS" from the Lord.

Therefore we preach the Word of God to mean Jesus Christ speaks to us via His Holy Spirit. So why don't you understand what I am saying. It is because you are not hearing from Him, and that hearing from Him is how we get our rest!!

I already showed you the verses which proved that and what happens when we don't listen!! But hear it is again, for your consideration:

Is 28:12,13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
So the word of the LORD to them will be, “Order on order, order on order,
Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

Look close and study the above 2 verses, because they apply to you!

The Lord wants to give us rest, but some will not listen!! Therefore, the rest is received from listening to Him!!! And we know from those verses that He is referring to hearing Him in words, because we read that since some don't listen to Him the word of God to them will be the orderly lines upon lines that we find in the Bible and read a little here and there. Certainly you too must have seen people trying to raise the Scriptures up as the word of God and say to others that word written in lines is going to save us, as opposed to actually listening to the Lord!!

And that is what you are doing by harping on the words "Born Again" and failing to understand that if you were indeed born again you would be hearing the Holy Spirit in word you find in your spirit, so in you heart, mouth, and or perhaps they came from behind thought you found them in your spirit, because you don't actually know where His voice in words actually came from.

Jn 3: 8 “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

If a person understands this, they will continue to seek the Lord Jesus Christ and His words spoken to them every day called "Today", but you are thinking you peace is a feeling from being in His presence, instead of listening to Him. So you have put your faith in a single line of the line upon line written in the Bible, and that just goes to show us who really listen to Him, that you don't know Him. You are preaching "Born Again", instead of Jesus Christ as the Word of God! Or why else do you refuse to accept a testimony about Him speaking in words to us believers?

So the prophecy of Isaiah comes to pass in you, meaning that it is you who has stumbled backwards, been broken, snared, and taken captive. Have you not read that as you judge so shall you be judged? So you judge that I am in a cult, but it is not me who God judges to be in a cult, but you. That is nothing new for religious people to do;

Jn 8:48, 49 The Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.

I give honor to Jesus Christ, by telling people to listen to Him, but you say that our rest does not come listening to Him, so who are you really honoring? You lack understanding, as I pointed out, because understanding come from His voice and not your understanding!

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

So it is that the Lord gives us HIs Holy Spirit (wisdom) and from His mouth come Knowledge (the Father) and understanding (The Son)

Prov 8: 14 “Counsel is mine and sound wisdom; I am understanding, power is mine.

Do you not know and have you not heard that He is the Wonderful Counselor, and that the Holy Spirit of God is His Spirit, and that He has the words of God as a possession so that He is Understanding, and the Father also gave Him all things so that power is also His?

He once told me, "Karl, Understanding is understanding that I Am Understanding, understand?"

Prov 8 : 17 “I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.

He is the Word of God and if you sought Him you would find Him and thus know that He speaks in words to His sheep who love Him. He gives the peace by speaking to them! But some do not listen! They don't know Him! They don;t seek Him! And it shows from what they write and say!

King Solomon new Him! He hears words from the Word of God and wrote them down, but did you even think to accept his testimony?

Please consider this, repent and turn to Him. He is and always has been there just waiting for you to hear and listen to Him!!

Rev 3:19,20 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Do you not read that when we hear His voice and thus open up to what He is saying, then is when He comes into us so we can have conversations with Hom? Look and read! That is what is written! That is who and when you are born again - when you hear is voice and open up to what He says, then you are "Born Again", so why do you not know this? We who are born again hear the sound of the wind! We realize that we are hearing from the Word of God (Jesus Christ) via His Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit! And so our faith comes from hearing a "WORD" from Him!

It is so easy, but is so hard to believe for the unbeliever who doesn't hear a "Word" from the Word of God1

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.