Sorry to burst your bubbles, for this is not the context, when the context is finishing at chapter 11.
Revelation 20: 5&6
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Can you define the 'highlighted' words of yours?
False!
Those who are of Israel/Jacob are his descendants in the flesh from his 12 sons.
The body of believers in Christ or church, for they're no longer Jews or Gentiles, nor are of Israel/Jacob, but of Abraham.
Galatians 3:
7. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham (besides children of GOD).
8. And the scripture, foreseeing that GOD would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the Gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nation be blessed.
9. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Folly!
The true Jews who believe not Jesus is the Christ, are still in the flesh of Israel/Jacob, as according to Romans ch. 11, are 'all Israel'.
You too just 'buried yourself', figuratively speaking, 'sob........'
Is written, "Food that are fed to children, are not to be fed to dogs."
"You cannot give to dogs what is good, coz it'll turn around and bite you."
That's what you just did 'amigo', turn around and bite the good scripture of grace and truth of Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 11:
25. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceit; that blindness in part is happened to Israel(in the flesh), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26. And so all Israel(in the flesh) shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob(Israel):
27. For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28. As concerning the Gospel, they(in the flesh) are enemies for your(Gentiles) sakes: but as touching election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29. For the gifts and calling of GOD are without repentance.
30. For as ye(Gentiles) in times past have not believed GOD, yet have now obtained mercy through their(in the flesh) unbelief:
31. Even so have these(in the flesh) also now not believed, that through your mercy they(in the flesh) also may obtain mercy.
32. For GOD hath concluded them all(in the flesh) in unbelief, that HE might have mercy upon all(in the flesh).
It's time for you to be encouraged, since the correction of GOD have come to you.
Mixing with the wrong crowd and as a result that the fruit you've become.
GOD bless you all and have mercy to turn your hearts back to grace and truth in Jesus name.
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Davy
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You BOTH... need to finish your requirement as a Christian to understand The Old Testament histories and prophets also.
The reason Apostle Paul gave the teaching in Galatians about Abraham's relation to The Gospel and God's promised inheritance to him is because that is about God's Birthright first given through Abraham. And that passed to Abraham's son Isaac, and then to his son Jacob, and then to his son Joseph, and then to his sons Ephraim and Manasseh where God's Birthright that includes The Gospel, rests to this day.
And that Birthright God gave to Abraham represent the Promise by Faith, The Gospel, and the name ISRAEL is a new name given Jacob to represent the Promise by Faith and the giving of The Spirit through that Faith. Abraham was simply the first to believe the Promise by Faith, that's why Paul said those of Faith are the children of Abraham.
But God's true... Israel, was only about the literal 'seed' during Old Testament times for the purpose of delivering the Promise by Faith to the nations, which did not happen among the majority of Jews in Jerusalem, for they rejected The Gospel.
The Promise by Faith, The Gospel of Jesus Christ, was accepted on national scales by the historical western Christian nations, and then spread from there. That is where the majority of the ten scattered tribes of Israel migrated to, and they, along with believing Gentiles there, became those "multitude of nations" and "company of nations" prophecies fulfilled per Genesis 35 and Genesis 48.
That means... ALL... those of Faith now represent God's true ISRAEL which is a name that represents the overcomers with God's help. That's what the name actually means. So although that name first represented a 'seed' that were chosen to inherit and take God's Birthright Promises to the nations, that does NOT mean they only by themselves represent God's concept of ISRAEL.
How sadly you fall short in your ignorance, instead of correcting others, correct yourself, thank you.
According to Paul in context to the matter you've brought up, GOD's Birthright and promise through Abraham, not referring to 'many'.
As you've included 'them', as 'seeds' or 'offsprings' (even Israel/Jacob), of Abraham in linage.
But through that linage or by GOD's Birthright, a 'seed' or 'offspring', who is the Word was made flesh, Christ Jesus.
Now what is this in 'fallacy' GOD's Birthright includes the Gospel, or probably a typo error on your part, meaning the rest of the GOD's Birthright by the Gospel??
On the other hand, where is Israel/Jacob in all of this, when the promise is made to only Abraham and through his 'one seed' Christ and the Church whom are his children of faith??
Besides being born again and in their new birth, receiving Christ and even believing on His name, He gave them too power to become sons of GOD.
Please literally quote in your defense, as i've quoted in mine, the church are the 'children of Israel', thank you??
Scripturally and by GOD's will, it is the promise and name 'Eve' who first represented a or that 'seed', and then Abraham, which 'seed' came through Joseph and Mary.
Paul instructed Timothy before His departure and passing the baton, not to please 'bullies' and 'itching ears'.
Further 'babel' doctrine of yours, sorry boring....., no thank you.
Then where's GOD's false Israel??
Another 'denominational' doctrine of those who are wise in their conceit specially for the 'itching ears'.....
Can't stick to the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets of the Old and New Testament in context, helped by the Holy Ghost, enough??
amigo de christo
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do you know what a citizen of america is callled . American .
YE are fellow citizens with the saints and etc .
YES all beleivers are of True Israel , which has true Jerusalem , whose temple be GOD and The LAMB .
Marvelloustime
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Yes. AFter the tribulation is the second resurrection. The first ressurection is the believers changed in the rapture, the second ressurrection is everyone including unbelievers to be judged by Jesus. This is my understanding.
Davy
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Yes, most definitely. All of Christ's Church of BOTH believing Israelite and believing Gentile, make up God's original concept for His ISRAEL.
That is why the unbelieving Jews who remain... in unbelief, like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11, will be 'cut off' from God's Israel, yet graffed back in IF they convert to Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.
However, my other... point, about the Genesis 35 "company of nations" and Genesis 48 "multitude of nations" prophecy to Jacob's seed and to Ephraim's seed, shows HOW God would fulfill His Salvation Plan among the Gentiles also. God thus used... His scattering of the majority of Israelites of the ten northern tribes of Israel to anchor The Gospel among the Gentiles in Asia Minor and Europe first. And from there they as 'ambassadors' of Isaiah 18:2 would take The Gospel to the other nations. Now that we have The New Testament, those Old Testament prophecies about The Gospel become easier to see, even some of them being explained by Christ and His Apostles.
What this means is, God still has a 'chosen' elect seed that He ordained in The Gospel. We especially see that with the Old Testament Patriarchs like Abraham and the prophets and Christ's Apostles, whom Apostle Paul taught in Ephesians 1 represent the foundation of the early Church, with Christ as its Cornerstone. Likewise, with the scattered seed in The Gospel of the ten northern tribes of Israel to the west to form the early Christian nations, and thus fulfill the "company of nations" prophecy to Jacob, also still represents a literal chosen seed in The Gospel. That is God's ordaining, and we cannot change that, even as Apostle Paul also showed in Romans 11 that God's gifts and calling are without repentance, meaning He won't go back on them.
Davy
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Nah... you are just assuming... I said something I did not say.
To understand what I was showing about God's promise to Jacob's seed and to Ephraim's seed (which is the same prophecy), is... about 'literal' seed of Israel that were 'chosen' to take The Gospel to the rest of the world. It is NOT... about Jews that rejected Jesus Christ, which apparently is all you likely think about when you only hear... the name ISRAEL, and that's because of men's Biblical ignorance about the Jews that you have believed.
Your response ALSO... reveals how you lack Old Testament study and understanding of just what is contained in God's Birthright that was first given through Abraham. You might want to brush up on what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 4 and Galatians 3 about that.
Kiddo, where's true Israel or true Jerusalem written in words in the scripture??
Do you know scripturally the 'body of Christ' in the beginning were to known as the 'followers of the way', and then they were declared as 'Christians'.
Not according to your non scriptural new age nobodies made up words like, 'true Israel' or 'true Jerusalem', which is 'lame'.
You and your denomination being wise in your own conceit, made that up and opposed to the scripture and sound doctrine of the Holy Bible.
Israel stand on it's own, as the descendant of Jacob the nation, GOD's original concept of HIS people/children for their fathers' sake.
From these Israelites and nation, by John the Baptist, Christ and the Holy Ghost ministered and witnessed the Gospel to them, 'a remnant were saved by the election of grace'.
After when they're divided by GOD's will, henceforth the Gospel was ministered and witnessed to the Gentiles, as until the full number of them be come in.
Therefore after the Jews and Gentiles become born again by the Gospel, they are neither Jews or Gentiles but equal and have become the one body of Christ or church.
As it is written, 'GOD is the HEAD of Christ, and Christ is the Head of the Church, and man is the head of the women.'
In the beginning these 'body of Christ or Church' were referred to as, 'the followers of the way', and then later were referred to as 'Christians'.
This is GOD's original concept for the 'body of Christ or Church' and is in the book of Acts, besides 'all Israel' yet still are enemies of the Gospel and Christ.
When they'll convert and where in the scripture that say so??
Don't make up your own Gospel because for such are 'accursed' sooner or later.
Again you're going off with your 'babbling', for 'elect' i understand, but 'seed' have nothing to do with 'them' as 'many'.
'Seed' or 'offspring', have got to do with a single person, and He is Christ, as promised to Abraham one of his 'offspring'.
Paul himself verify that the 'seed' or 'offspring' does not refers to 'many', but only 'one', who'll fulfill the prophecy given to Abraham and Sarah.
That they'll the father and mother of all nation and their descendants shall number to the stars n the sky and grains of sand along the beach.
And what about Jacob who was named 'Israel', meaning, 'the man who wrestle with GOD'. And became the father to the 12 patriarch or tribe of Israel'.
Why you keep on adding your 'gibberish' version again and again, stop it, before you discover yourself in the ditch.
Christ's Apostles since they became born again of water and the Holy Ghost, they became 'members' of the 'body of Christ'.
They are part of the remnant saved under the election of grace, and no longer belong to the 'patriarch of Israel'.
But rather left their past lives completely and they've been with Christ and followed Him all their live and until death, and never looked back.
In the Gospel, Christ even denied His parents and siblings and rather called the 'lost sheep of Israel' who're born again, now His 'mother', 'brother' and 'sister'.
Only they have the name of GOD written on them, the 144,000 of them having been selected out from the 12 patriarch of Israel.
Moreover, they're no longer in the Old Testament and in bondage, but rather in the New Testament and in freedom the 'body of Christ'.
It's GOD's new house, where Christ is the 'Chief Corner Stone', the 'first stone' been laid at the bottom end, and then followed by the Apostles and church.
There's no 'Israel' nor 'patriarch' in the picture, whom yet the remaining of them need to receive the 'mercy of GOD' in the end, after the full number of Gentiles be come in.
Paul wrote this letter to the Ephesians Gentile church, henceforth addressing them as well included in the promise and blessing.
Again you can bring your 'kiddo' stuff prophesying and 'fallacy' doctrine to please 'itching ears' rather.
The 'first resurrection' takes places as the Great Tribulation comes to an end.
After the resurrection of the church saints, Christ comes down with His angels to war against anti-Christ, the kings of the earth and their armies.
In defeat, anti-Christ and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Then satan who possess anti-Christ, will be bound into the bottomless pit a thousand years.
Church saints who made it in the 'first resurrection' shall reign with Christ likewise a thousand years.
Remember, after the 'thousand years' satan will be released once again, and he'll go forth and deceive all the nation once again.
And he'll gather the armies of the world in the vast plain called 'Megiddo' to wage war against the nation of Israel and GOD.
In defeat, satan is cast into the lake of fire, and also followed by death and hades in the end.
Then the 'second resurrection' takes place for the final judgement of Christ, ether there are ones shall resurrect unto life or ones shall resurrect unto damnation.
Davy
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That is a completely... FALSE statement.
Instead, what I said follows exactly what Apostle Paul taught.
Sounds like you have fallen into men's trap called Dispensationalism. So you believe the FALSE Pre-trib Rapture theory LIE too? Huh? Pre-trib is the main seminary school that tries to isolate the nation of Israel from Christ's Church, when Apostle Paul never did. Even in Romans 11 Paul showed that for this present world God put the spirit of slumber upon unbelieving Jews UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, which means on the day of Christ's future return. Lot of brethren deny that Romans 11 Scripture because of stupid doctrines of men showing their Biblical illiteracy, like you have done.
Davy
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Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
KJV
Read your Bible much???
Just want to brush off your dirt rather, that the 'body of Christ' which are of faith, the sane are the children of Abraham.
They are likewise Abraham's 'seed' one with Christ, because He's the Head and they the body and members of it, period.
Where's your 'true Israel' in all of this??
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