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Featured Reverlation 6, Coronavirus ???

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  1. Pianoworldstage

    Pianoworldstage Member

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    Hi Assuming we are at the 4th seal of revelation, could this be a sign of the outbreak of China's Coronavirus, a pestilence.

    Rev 6: 7
    When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    But the 3rd seal, the one prior, is a worldwide famine in which a loaf of bread costs an entire days pay. So I think we are seeing shadows of what is coming, but not yet the fulfillment.
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    Why would I assume that? The flu kills more people. Why not imagine the flu has something to do with the pale horse? Ah, but we're used to having the flu around. Get a new disease, and suddenly it's got something to do with Revelation or something.

    High flu activity spreads across US as virus claims 14 more children

    So far, 10,000 people have died and 180,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.

    "The flu season began early this year and took off aggressively," added Schaffner. "It began prominently in the southeastern states but quickly spread. So far, there is no sign that the momentum of the annual epidemic is slowing."

    The majority of states, as well as New York City, Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico are now seeing high flu activity.

    In total, the CDC estimates that 19 million people have gotten the flu so far this season.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    I think the poster was seeing the link between death by "pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth" and the zoonotic virus that coronavirus is.

    He has seen that death by wild beasts doesn't necessarily have to be being eaten by lions, tigers and bears.
     
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    Its interesting to note that the dominos could fall one by one with the last 3 horses. If the earth faced a very dry period, water would become something that people war over and need to drink rather than water crops with. This could lead to famine and depletion of peoples immune systems from lack of enough water or food, so that their bodies cannot fight off zoonotic virus. We are talking a fourth of the world's populations dying by these 3 "horses." That's close to 2 billion people. 1 in 4 persons.

    That's not to say the seals HAVE to be strictly consecutive, but it makes sense to me they sort of will be.
     
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    VictoryinJesus Well-Known Member

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    Death and hell followed him. Death is not a new thing. The wages of sin is death.
     
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    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    Christians went into a frenzy about Aids (and every other disease that came along in the decades prior to that scare) Why not also add this one to the "Chicken Little" list of things to go nuts about?
     
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    No, death is not a new thing, but a combined death toll of almost 2 billion, (using the most current world pop estimate) people from war, famine and pestilence is a new thing I think. Maybe sometime in the past, a quarter of the population died, I don't know, but if so, the end didn't come. I think our greater ease of travel is what will take pestilence from distinct areas into a worldwide thing.
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    Flu viruses start with animals too, don't they?

    I also think interpreting Revelation that way is "adding" to it. It says "beasts" will kill people, not viruses or bacteria from beasts. It also reads "beasts" and not "wild beasts."

    I think the passage should be read keeping Genesis in mind -- the protection given to Noah and descendants will be removed. Animals will want to kill people.

    Genesis 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

    My mind also recalls Goliath who got killed by a stone to his "forehead" -- I'd say David saw a "mark" there and took aim at it. Goliath with all his sixes. There is a distinction in the passage between "wild beasts" and "beasts of the field." First Goliath says how he wants domesticated vegetarians animals to eat David. He wanted to corrupt the animals.

    1 Samuel 17:44 And the Philistine said to David, Come to me, and I will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the air, and to the beasts of the field.

    David's answer is about the "wild beasts" who naturally eat flesh.

    46 This day will the Lord deliver thee into mine hand; and I will smite thee, and take thine head from thee; and I will give the carcases of the host of the Philistines this day unto the fowls of the air, and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel.

    I'd say the fourth Seal has animals killing people. Incidentally, the Greek word "therion" in that verse is the same word used to describe "the beast" that comes up out of the sea and the one which comes up out of the earth.
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    There is another recent thread that suggested this virus was another sign that the rapture was soon to take place. I scratched my head.
     
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    not disputing air travel is not scary in spreading. But plagues, the Spanish flu, even over in China there has been other major outbreaks throughout history. As Willie mentioned Aids. Auto immune diseases are a silent killer right now. Cancers. It has been on going...
     
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    Leviticus 26:19-24 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: [20] And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. [21] And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. [22] I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. [23] And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; [24] Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.


    Ezekiel 34:25-28 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. [26] And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. [27] And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. [28] And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
     
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    My translation says wild beasts, so I have not knowingly added to the words of revelation, so hold your horses there in calling that curse on me.:eek:

    My translation does not say beasts will kill people in any certain or particular way, so I won't argue about it, I just happen to see viruses and flus that jump to people as a perfectly plausible way for that to be fulfilled. I have no problem with you thinking it must only be fulfilled with tame beasts rather than wild beasts. I mean, my cat tried to kill me on the stairs many times.
     
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    Yeah, it has been ongoing. I personally think they are shadows and not a worldwide fullfillment yet. Not looking for an argument, just giving thoughts on it. :)
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    I hardly think the op was going nuts...:D
     
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    good. Me neither. Just talking about it. Don’t get me wrong...I watch the updates on the virus. Even the other day there were random unusual tornado warnings broadcasted in our area. Don’t think I’ve ever truly heard a tornado siren until then. Never saw the schools, children being taken into hallways where it wasn’t an actual drill but on lock down. Our whole area, which isn’t the norm for our area. But still...don’t know if I’m just heightened aware as it gets closer to home. Cant say others have not always endured the same things, same with the Coronavirus. Not down playing it. Just trying to not allow fear to rule to where I’m overcome by it. Trying to stay focused on Him. Fear can really take that focus away...
     
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    Oh yeah, I sometimes dont think about others being scared. I forget, because I'm not scared, that others are.
     
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    They said the same thing of AIDS.
     
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    "Oh no"
     
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    I think they will be consecutive, and that means the first one is the Antichrist being revealed.
     
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