Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 1

[Marvelloustime]

surely they shall not perish , says the twister of words , is it not written that JESUS is the savoir of the world ..........
ONLY THEY SURE SEEM TO FORGET
That SAVOIR OF THE WORLD Warned of the dire NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM , THE SAVOIR OF THE WORLD , or perish .
Epi and others lie to us sister .
WE beleive JESUS not men . stick to that one true gopsel
by which we were saved , IF WE KEEP IN MEMORY
lest , like many who had b eleived in vain and fall for a whores love that saves none .
STICK to the words ,the wholesome words of Christ and continue To
POINT to HIM dear sister . march onwards in the LORD . let no man take thy crown . false gosples save n one .
JESUS saves . And to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

Sister his strategy is not new .
Look at what paul wrote long ago .
They agree not to the wholesome words , even the words of our Lord.
BUT always striving about words and etc . THERE IS NOTHING NEW under the sun .
Ever learning but unable to come to the truth .
Always striving over words by which to justify a lie , an error .
ALways this is done sister .
They dont agree with the wholesome words of Christ and etc
THEY always strive over words , over sematics , over exgegis , or whaterver .
but if one examines their methods and their words
THEY had seen it was but a way and a means TO MAKE VOID something CHRIST said
to GO around the simple truth . its like a clever school kid
that is doing anything and everyething to explain to his papa WHY he didnt do or why he did do
as He did . They just use highly clever spun words and decepttoins to simply LIE .

Amen. And it's a back-handed way of falsely accusing as well.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And it's a back-handed way of falsely accusing as well.

there is nothing new under the sun .
What did the unbelieving jews do to JESUS .
They falsely accused him too . They will his sheep as well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And it's a back-handed way of falsely accusing as well.

Why of course sister . And you will find one hundred percent of the time that what they falsely
accuse of , THEY are GUILTY OF .
Would you like an example .
EPI always h ollers we are all EGO .
KINDA ODD , Its he who points not to FAITH IN CHRIST. SO WHOSE the EGO man now .
HE IS . HE has been falsey accusing us the whole time of religious dogma
Being full of ego .
WHEN ITS been he all along doing this . It aint me strapping the reigns on myself
after putting the horse into the cart . ITS HIM . HE is guilty of what he accuses us of my sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And it's a back-handed way of falsely accusing as well.

Ye haters , ye know not the Love of GOD , they say .
AS THEY LEAVE the world and unrepentant sinners IN SIN
IN UNBELIEF .
Again they are guilty of what THEY accuse us of doing sister .
FOR it is written and well written
YE shall NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall CORRECT him and NOT ALLOW sin upon him .
THEY HATE , THEY and their love is NOT OF GOD
but they say WE HATE and KNOW NOT the LOVE OF GOD .
I can really do this all day . but who has the time for that .
I never found one that falsely accuses another
OF NOT BEING G UILTY of what he or she IS ACTUALLY falsely accusing the other one of doing . NEVER ONCE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And it's a back-handed way of falsely accusing as well.

And here it is being used on JESUS by the unbeliving jews .
THEY said TO HIM
say we not well that you have a devil .
And yet who was their father , JESUS said you do the works of your father the devil .
I am telling you my dear s ister
when one falsely accuses , they are guilty of what they are accusing the other of doing or being .

 

[Laurina]

"That's pretty good way if putting it. Another worded is imputed."


Modern religionists don't understand what "imputed" means and therefore fully misread the bible. A fictional meaning is necessary because those same inventors of word meanings don't understand what righteousness or holiness are. So with that same lack of understanding these pretenders invent fables and "positional" doctrines that are in the realm of make-believe....literally.

Modern religionists can't put the word "imputed" into a sentence properly...without saying a total fiction.

To impute means that something is coming FROM the source as an attribute. The sound of an engine is imputed to the engine. If some religion claims that the sound of an engine can be falsely imputed to ..say...a tree... I think this will gain many followers....as many love to pretend. The sound of an engine can never be imputed to a tree, (If any here can understand that....they would then be able to be untangled from iniquity). But many here don't see the problem with imputing the sound of an engine to a tree.

I know I'm speaking way beyond the comprehension of many here....but my statement was that holiness is a covering...but that covering is imputed to God. The evidence of that is it is called....the holiness of God. God's holiness (or His righteousness) cannot be imputed to people the same way that the sound of an engine cannot be imputed to a tree.

If people don't understand something as simple and basic as this...they need to start over again...perhaps take some basic English courses...since they have become far worse than they were before.

God imputed righteousness to Abraham because God noticed righteousness coming FROM Abraham. It was the righteousness of Abraham...not God.

How can people directly contradict God then claim to be as righteous as He is. I have no idea???? For those who are slow to read and understand I will post a simple OT attestation to the existence of personal righteousness... If there are ANY honest readers here...give out a shout! :)


Ez. 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

v20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

Since there is little to no honesty in those who have been indoctrinated, I expect this will be ignored as usual. Stay indoctrinated. Please yourselves.

People can't say they believe God or follow the bible (or Christ) and then throw out and contradict what God says.... only a fully deceived and dishonest person can do that...as evidenced here.

AMEN!!!

 

[Lizbeth]

AMEN!!!

But He HAS made us righteous. When we received Christ and became born again, He picked us up and turned us 180 degrees from our life of sin to a life of righteousness where we delight to do His will. Even if not perfectly yet.

He has "imputed" His righteousness to us because we are not yet perfected as He is.....we need the covering of His grace and He through Christ does thankfully provide us with it. Though we live a new life that is righteous overall, we may sometimes still inadvertently stumble. Old man of the flesh may sometimes have the upper hand at times. The flesh may lusteth against the spirit. We sometimes may have a battle to fight. And we still need to grow generally and die to ourselves.

Imputed in the sense it is being used in scripture means to call something that is not as though it were (see Rom 4:17) That is what God is doing with us, because we need it and also because that is how He creates.....life or death is in the power of His tongue. That is His grace and mercy to usward, bought with the blood of Jesus.

 

[amigo de christo]

But He HAS made us righteous. When we received Christ and became born again, He picked us up and turned us 180 degrees from our life of sin to a life of righteousness where we delight to do His will. Even if not perfectly yet.

He has "imputed" His righteousness to us because we are not yet perfected as He is.....we need the covering of His grace and He through Christ does thankfully provide us with it. Though we live a new life that is righteous overall, we may sometimes still inadvertently stumble. Old man of the flesh may sometimes have the upper hand at times. The flesh may lusteth against the spirit. We sometimes may have a battle to fight. And we still need to grow generally and die to ourselves.

Imputed in the sense it is being used in scripture means to call something that is not as though it were (see Rom 4:17) That is what God is doing with us, because we need it and also because that is how He creates.....life or death is in the power of His tongue. That is His grace and mercy to usward, bought with the blood of Jesus.

LORD who then can be saved .
With man this is impossible but not WITH GOD .
some years later
SIRS what must i do To be saved
BELEIVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and ye shall be saved .
SEE HOW SIMPLE THAT IS my friends . MAN cannot save himself APART FROM FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
And GOD chose to save the world by the preaching of the gospel to save those WHO DO BELIEVE .

 

[Episkopos]

But He HAS made us righteous. When we received Christ and became born again, He picked us up and turned us 180 degrees from our life of sin to a life of righteousness where we delight to do His will. Even if not perfectly yet.

He has "imputed" His righteousness to us because we are not yet perfected as He is.....we need the covering of His grace and He through Christ does thankfully provide us with it. Though we live a new life that is righteous overall, we may sometimes still inadvertently stumble. Old man of the flesh may sometimes have the upper hand at times. The flesh may lusteth against the spirit. We sometimes may have a battle to fight. And we still need to grow generally and die to ourselves.

Imputed in the sense it is being used in scripture means to call something that is not as though it were (see Rom 4:17) That is what God is doing with us, because we need it and also because that is how He creates.....life or death is in the power of His tongue. That is His grace and mercy to usward, bought with the blood of Jesus.

Many will say ...but Lord, Lord, you "imputed" Your righteousness to me...I know because I placed myself in the bible narrative... but Jesus will say, go away, you who practice lawlessness and iniquity...why didn't you heed My warnings???

 

[Episkopos]

But He HAS made us righteous. When we received Christ and became born again, He picked us up and turned us 180 degrees from our life of sin to a life of righteousness where we delight to do His will. Even if not perfectly yet.

That is how you get crowds into becoming indoctrinated. Many religiously converted ones are now far worse than before their supposed conversion...conversion into what? A religious kook?

People can claim to be righteous...that is the province of the self-righteous. The real righteous ones only claim unworthiness...of a righteousness that is actually imputed to them by God. Imputed means recognized to be...not fictitiously and falsely claiming someone is something they are clearly not...as you do.

He has "imputed" His righteousness to us

As false as can be. God imputes a human righteousness to the meek and broken....not His righteousness. The only righteousness you have is a self-generated one based on a self-interested reading of the bible. That's all you have.

because we are not yet perfected as He is

No kidding....

....

Imputed in the sense it is being used in scripture means to call something that is not as though it were (see Rom 4:17)

When you impute righteousness to yourself as you do...and claim to have something you clearly have no understanding of...that is called "bearing false witness" or lying. You don't have the same prerogative as God to bring something into existence that didn't exist beforehand. But you sure can name and claim things for yourself falsely. Claiming to be something you are not is called lying. There is a commandment against that...as if you cared about obeying God's commandments.

That is what God is doing with us, because we need it and also because that is how He creates.....life or death is in the power of His tongue. That is His grace and mercy to usward, bought with the blood of Jesus.

That is also how religious people create for themselves delusions of grandeur. Pretenders are wannabees...religious enthusiasts...reading themselves into the biblical texts without any regard to truth or reality...and ignoring any verses that exposes them for what they are in truth (Think Laodiceans). Judgment day is coming...and all pretenders will be exposed.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many will say ...but Lord, Lord, you "imputed" Your righteousness to me...I know because I placed myself in the bible narrative... but Jesus will say, go away, you who practice lawlessness and iniquity...why didn't you heed My warnings???

yea rather
He gonna say to quite a few
IF YE CLAIMED TO BELEIVE ON ME , WHY DID YOU GO AROUND HAMMERING ON THOSE
who had told others OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON ME TO BE SAVED .
You cant have both BELEIF and UNBELEIF epi .
EITHER YOU BELEIVE or YA DONT . and its very obvious YOU DONT beleive HIS WORDS .
And as far as those who lip HIS NAME and yet their works are dead and be evil , WELL They ALSO do not know him .
SO watch OUT epi . you are calling JESUS a liar and dont even realize you are .
SO i leave ya with HIS WORDS
IF YE Believe NOT that I AM HE , you shall DIE IN YOUR SINS .
and for more info OPEN THE BIBLE again and start reading on WHO the apotels later preached
and SEE how they also warned all who failed to BLEIEVE ON HIM . yeah . watch out epi . WATCH OUT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Many will say ...but Lord, Lord, you "imputed" Your righteousness to me...I know because I placed myself in the bible narrative... but Jesus will say, go away, you who practice lawlessness and iniquity...why didn't you heed My warnings???

But who is it who heeds not his warnings EPI .
IF YE BLEIEVE NOT that I AM HE ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS .
YOU epi . YOU heed them not .
YOU hammer all day on those who remind others about THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM or perish .
YOU DO that epi . AS i said
those who falsely accuse are the ones DOING exactly what THEY accuse us of doing . ITS YOU NOT HEEDING HIS WARNINGS .

 

[Laurina]

But He HAS made us righteous. When we received Christ and became born again, He picked us up and turned us 180 degrees from our life of sin to a life of righteousness where we delight to do His will. Even if not perfectly yet.

He has "imputed" His righteousness to us because we are not yet perfected as He is.....we need the covering of His grace and He through Christ does thankfully provide us with it. Though we live a new life that is righteous overall, we may sometimes still inadvertently stumble. Old man of the flesh may sometimes have the upper hand at times. The flesh may lusteth against the spirit. We sometimes may have a battle to fight. And we still need to grow generally and die to ourselves.

Imputed in the sense it is being used in scripture means to call something that is not as though it were (see Rom 4:17) That is what God is doing with us, because we need it and also because that is how He creates.....life or death is in the power of His tongue. That is His grace and mercy to usward, bought with the blood of Jesus.

"to call something that is not as though it were" is endemic in our society now. It has brought spiritual darkness. How is that any different than the people "pretending" to be men, women, cats, dogs, rabbits, etc... and people needing to adjust all the pronouns to accommodate these deceived people?
In your religous fervor, you are contributing to the chaos.

 

[amigo de christo]

many point to UNBELEIF
and now call those who preach YE MUST BELEIVE as RELIGIOUS F EVOR . Something has went wrong and wrong it has went .

 

[Lizbeth]

Many will say ...but Lord, Lord, you "imputed" Your righteousness to me...I know because I placed myself in the bible narrative... but Jesus will say, go away, you who practice lawlessness and iniquity...why didn't you heed My warnings???

Who is practicing lawlessness and iniquity? Hopefully not the people of God. If any are, they need to wake up and stop it pronto or be in danger of their soul. And I know that is unfortunately true of far too many these days who claim Christ.

But in any case you are referring to what Jesus was saying particularly to those who were doing "ministry" work as they saw fit instead of how/as the Lord leads, while not following/obeying Him and doing His will in their own personal lives either. As we've been seeing so many performance oriented pastors/leaders being exposed for sin in these recent years and even going back 20 years and more that I can remember. Yes, they are in big trouble with the Lord, I don't doubt it. Can only hope at least some of them will actually realize their error and repent with sincere and genuine repentance.

 

[Lizbeth]

"to call something that is not as though it were" is endemic in our society now. It has brought spiritual darkness. How is that any different than the people "pretending" to be men, women, cats, dogs, rabbits, etc... and people needing to adjust all the pronouns to accommodate these deceived people?
In your religous fervor, you are contributing to the chaos.

Should we make that scripture void? "People" are not God. When HE calleth that which be not as though they are....they ARE. The creation of a new creature.

 

[Episkopos]

Who is practicing lawlessness and iniquity? Hopefully not the people of God.

The warnings of the bible are ONLY to the people of God. And ONLY those who belong to Him actually pay attention and repent from their wickedness.

If any are, they need to wake up and stop it pronto or be in danger of their soul.

That's what I'm always speaking about to the many pretenders here.

And I know that is unfortunately true of far too many these days who claim Christ.

Why do you exclude yourself from this? So many pretenders claim to be seated with Christ, crucified with Christ...etc. because they read about it in the bible and are religiously convinced that they are "positionally" something they are not.

But in any case you are referring to what Jesus was saying particularly to those who were doing "ministry" work as they saw fit instead of how/as the Lord leads, while not following/obeying Him and doing His will in their own personal lives either. As we've been seeing so many performance oriented pastors/leaders being exposed for sin in these recent years and even going back 20 years and more that I can remember. Yes, they are in big trouble with the Lord, I don't doubt it. Can only hope at least some of them will actually realize their error and repent with sincere and genuine repentance.

The false doctrines they preach have brought down the way of God in Christ so low that any old sinner can make great claims...like being as righteous and holy as God is, for which they will be cast into outer darkness.

The way out is through humility, honesty and the fear of the Lord....and a deep repentance that desires to embrace righteousness and at least be among those who inherit life.

 

[Lizbeth]

The warnings of the bible are ONLY to the people of God. And ONLY those who belong to Him actually pay attention and repent from their wickedness.

Yes. But the point I was making is that sincere and genuine born again believers who have received Christ and His Spirit do not typically start out practicing lawlessness and iniquity. We are righteous living though not perfected yet, and as well God's righteousness is being imputed to us by grace. But yes, any believer may slide and be tempted or deceived and drawn away or fall away etc, after coming to know the Lord....the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.....hence the warnings. If anyone tries the Lord and grieves His Spirit enough His longsuffering may come to an end, His Spirit may depart, and then His righteousness is no longer being imputed to them any more....in other words they are fallen away.

That's what I'm always speaking about to the many pretenders here.

I consider it to be tremendously presumptuous to call people pretenders on the basis of disagreement over doctrine, when you don't know their lives and hearts.

Why do you exclude yourself from this? So many pretenders claim to be seated with Christ, crucified with Christ...etc. because they read about it in the bible and are religiously convinced that they are "positionally" something they are not.

I think anyone who is living righteously and not knowingly living in wilful sins can exclude themselves from that, although it is God who judges us. It's our new man who is seated in heavenly places with Christ, not our flesh nature/old man. If Christ is in us, we are where He is....His Spirit within us is not restricted to time and space.. And it is our old flesh nature that we are to reckon as being crucified with Christ. But the more we go along the more we realize what we are without the Lord, our old nature ....utterly unworthy and wretched..

The false doctrines they preach have brought down the way of God in Christ so low that any old sinner can make great claims...like being as righteous and holy as God is, for which they will be cast into outer darkness.

The way out is through humility, honesty and the fear of the Lord....and a deep repentance that desires to embrace righteousness and at least be among those who inherit life.

It's not we in our old self that is holy and righteous...it is our new man and how God is choosing to graciously see us through the cross. Nobody should be claiming their flesh nature is holy and righteous, because it just isn't, it's the opposite. Yes, I agree, humility, honesty and the fear of the Lord, and deep repentance, Godly sorrow, confessing our sins/faults, etc, amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes. But the point I was making is that sincere and genuine born again believers who have received Christ and His Spirit do not typically start out practicing lawlessness and iniquity. We are righteous living though not perfected yet, and as well God's righteousness is being imputed to us by grace. But yes, any believer may slide and be tempted or deceived and drawn away or fall away etc, after coming to know the Lord....the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.....hence the warnings. If anyone tries the Lord and grieves His Spirit enough His longsuffering may come to an end, His Spirit may depart, and then His righteousness is no longer being imputed to them any more....in other words they are fallen away.


I consider it to be tremendously presumptuous to call people pretenders on the basis of disagreement over doctrine, when you don't know their lives and hearts.


I think anyone who is living righteously and not knowingly living in wilful sins can exclude themselves from that, although it is God who judges us. It's our new man who is seated in heavenly places with Christ, not our flesh nature/old man. If Christ is in us, we are where He is....His Spirit within us is not restricted to time and space.. And it is our old flesh nature that we are to reckon as being crucified with Christ. But the more we go along the more we realize what we are without the Lord, our old nature ....utterly unworthy and wretched..


It's not we in our old self that is holy and righteous...it is our new man and how God is choosing to graciously see us through the cross. Nobody should be claiming their flesh nature is holy and righteous, because it just isn't, it's the opposite. Yes, I agree, humility, honesty and the fear of the Lord, and deep repentance, Godly sorrow, confessing our sins/faults, etc, amen.

only those whose faith be in JESUS have the desire and ability by him to pick up their cross .
As you well know .
ONL Y epi seems to hammer on the message YE MUST FIRST BELEIVE ON HIM .
well as i said long ago , A man pu tting the horse i nto the cart and then trying to pull the cart
IS gonna huff and puff , BUT HE AINT MOVING THAT CART . its all in vain and naught but ego self effort tugging that cart .
HUFF n PUFF but all is vain .