Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 1

[Rockerduck]

This is from your indoctrination. There is NO process of sanctification. One is either holy or not. Are you 25% holy or 50% holy?

What believes are meant to grow into is righteousness, not holiness. Paul says that the scriptures are good for instruction (growing in) in righteousness. Have you read the bible all the way to Timothy?

The reason why religious clerics have invented a progressive sanctification is to not upset another false doctrine...that of having an IMPUTED righteousness of God. So as not to confuse the indoctrinated ones, they have to compound the lies to make blasphemous claims...that protect their having lowered the standard of Christ to what any sinner can claim.

It's all about fooling the masses and filling the pews. No truth there, just lies.

So then you may read the bible and have the jargon....but without any understanding of the truth, spiritual reality, or the gospel. Such is the way of men.

If you want to investigate the truth...check out my podcast series, and read the bible without the blinders on. I help to wake people from their deep sleep. :)

Just scriptures for you. These are not the doctrine of men.

1 Corinthians 1:30 - But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption.

Romans 6:22 - But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.

Hebrews 12:14 - Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4 - For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

1 Thessalonians 4:7 - For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 - But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

 

[soberxp]

There is no answer once you are dead. But you can seek the face of the Lord NOW and live in spiritual reality BEFORE you die. You can be translated into Zion....the kingdom of God...to walk in His light and power, doing what Jesus is doing.....walking as Jesus walked means that you have been translated INTO Christ. All of the promises of eternal life are about entering INTO Christ....to be where He is.

The bible is being fully misunderstood...reading a very shallow interpretation that misses the truth entirely.

So, you have no answer about the it.
When Jesus Christ said to you:"I never know you."

How should you properly face this, How will you answer Jesus Christ?

 

[amigo de christo]

So, you have no answer about the it.
When Jesus Christ said to you:"I never know you."

How should you properly face this, How will you answer Jesus Christ?

But , but didnt we ............
And now a word
HE who hears My sayings and does them not , HOUSE ON SINKING sand . OH its all coming down .
And i am watching some folks
Omit the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS . ONE OF HIS KEY SAYINGS .
I also watch others who cliam to BELEIVE , yet they twist and omit his sayings .
WONT BODE WELL FOR EITHER of them ON the DAY of THE LORD .
I have a simple solution .
FOR all who DO NAME the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
HOW ABOUT we get ourselves back into the bible and read , love and learn ALL THINGS HE said
and later the apostels taught . Cause many in wool are now following another jesus , thus another god
and its the love of the world they follow , BELEIVING it to be THE LOVE OF G OD .
NOT a good path and not a GOOD end at all for them .

 

[Rockerduck]

When a man does not understand scriptures, he blindly steps out to claim his own understanding,
with colored glasses he sees, not knowing what the Bible actually says and means.
Oh how simple the gospel of Christ is, that the natural man cannot see it, or understand.
So, he creates the way he sees God, not how God sees him.
The Jews could not understand Jesus either when spoke straight to them,
they were stuck in the traditions of men. The many that follow this path, die and say to Jesus, "I did not understand it" and Jesus will say to him, "did not Rockerduck, Amigo, behold, and others explain", but you said to try it your way. Jesus says I never knew you.

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

 

[Episkopos]

When a man does not understand scriptures, he blindly steps out to claim his own understanding,
with colored glasses he sees, not knowing what the Bible actually says and means.
Oh how simple the gospel of Christ is, that the natural man cannot see it, or understand.
So, he creates the way he sees God, not how God sees him.
The Jews could not understand Jesus either when spoke straight to them,
they were stuck in the traditions of men. The many that follow this path, die and say to Jesus, "I did not understand it" and Jesus will say to him, "did not Rockerduck, Amigo, behold, and others explain", but you said to try it your way. Jesus says I never knew you.

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

Or....more truthfully... Jesus will say...why do you weep and gnash your teeth....did I not send my servants (including Epi) to warn you of my judgments?

Then more weeping and gnashing of teeth will follow.

 

[Episkopos]

Just scriptures for you. These are not the doctrine of men.

1 Corinthians 1:30 - But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption.

Romans 6:22 - But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.

Hebrews 12:14 - Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4 - For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

1 Thessalonians 4:7 - For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 - But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Where do you see a process or instruction in holiness? I think you have drunk the kool-aid to the degree where you are backing up what I say and debunking your own indoctrination...thinking they back up what you believe...which of course is false.

Your beliefs get in the way of faith.... and reading skills..like so many here.

When a person believes a lie they have to throw critical thinking out the window...since critical thinking destroys their understanding...the "kool-aid" of their belief system.

The ONLY way out of the conundrum of beliefs or critical thinking...is an ACTUAL encounter with Christ and a spiritual translation to walk with Jesus in Zion. That's it. Otherwise once a person is de-programmed from the religious certainties, they become atheists.

 

[soberxp]

But , but didnt we ............
And now a word
HE who hears My sayings and does them not , HOUSE ON SINKING sand . OH its all coming down .
And i am watching some folks
Omit the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS . ONE OF HIS KEY SAYINGS .
I also watch others who cliam to BELEIVE , yet they twist and omit his sayings .
WONT BODE WELL FOR EITHER of them ON the DAY of THE LORD .
I have a simple solution .
FOR all who DO NAME the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
HOW ABOUT we get ourselves back into the bible and read , love and learn ALL THINGS HE said
and later the apostels taught . Cause many in wool are now following another jesus , thus another god
and its the love of the world they follow , BELEIVING it to be THE LOVE OF G OD .
NOT a good path and not a GOOD end at all for them .

Whether one reads the Bible or not is not the main reason.
For instance, a single sentence can be interpreted in two different ways by two different groups of people.
This has happened countless times in Chinese history.
The Bible is the same.
This could be true of any book.

 

[Rockerduck]

Or....more truthfully... Jesus will say...why do you weep and gnash your teeth....did I not send my servants (including Epi) to warn you of my judgments?

Then more weeping and gnashing of teeth will follow.

But I know Jesus very well. Jesus's sheep know their Master's voice. The Holy Spirit tells me what I need to know.

 

[Episkopos]

But I know Jesus very well. Jesus's sheep know their Master's voice. The Holy Spirit tells me what I need to know.

Holy Spirit or indoctrination? What is the "form of godliness" (but never coming to the knowledge of the truth) that real followers are supposed to avoid? Well, a Pharisee knows to not drink, smoke, swear, chase women...etc And that is a basic view of doing what is right...but even here righteousness demands MORE than just avoiding obvious sins. One must also be humble, esteem others, fear the Lord, have mercy, love others, etc.

Were the Pharisees led by the Spirit in their service, alms giving, religious observances, and avoiding obvious evils???

Did they not claim to be God's representatives also?

Which brings us to the name it claim it crowd that claim also...just like the Pharisees, to be God's representatives on earth.

But to do that they have to do as the Pharisees and condemn the righteous and meek...to get rid of them, to replace them with themselves...as we see in the modern evangelical scheme.

So then to be "saved" in the institutional church you must claim to be as righteous as God AND condemn the righteous...for which the end is rejection into outer darkness.

Will any fear and depart from iniquity? Not really. The deception is that strong on the unbroken ones.

 

[Episkopos]

Which is a worse sin? To claim to be righteous based on one's own actions, or else to claim to be as righteous as God?

A religious hypocrite will say that claiming to be righteous is the ultimate evil, whereas claiming to be as righteous as God is very good.

How deceived can people be? To claim to be as righteous as God makes people far worse than the Pharisees to whom Jesus said...woe to you. The Pharisees would blush at the insolence of so many modern believers.

Will people wake up before it's too late. The religiously smug will not even lift a finger to alter their own fate.

 

[Rockerduck]

Holy Spirit or indoctrination? What is the "form of godliness" (but never coming to the knowledge of the truth) that real followers are supposed to avoid? Well, a Pharisee knows to not drink, smoke, swear, chase women...etc And that is a basic view of doing what is right...but even here righteousness demands MORE than just avoiding obvious sins. One must also be humble, esteem others, fear the Lord, have mercy, love others, etc.

Were the Pharisees led by the Spirit in their service, alms giving and religious observances, and avoiding obvious evils???

Did they not claim to be God's representatives also?

Which brings us to the name it claim it crowd that claim also...just like the Pharisees, to be God's representatives on earth.

But to do that they have to do as the Pharisees and condemn the righteous and meek...to get rid of them, to replace them with themselves...as we see in the modern evangelical scheme.

So then to be "saved" in the institutional church you must claim to be as righteous as God AND condemn the righteous...for which the end is rejection into outer darkness.

Will any fear and depart from iniquity? Not really. The deception is that strong on the unbroken ones.

I can't explain salvation to someone who has never received it.

 

[Episkopos]

I can't explain salvation to someone who has never received it.

And that is why I can't explain holy things to a person who has merely read the bible without experiencing anything recorded in it.

 

[Episkopos]

As to the righteousness of God that we are meant to FULFILL by His holy covering anointing: when we shelter under the shadow of His wing...does that wing ever become ours? Or does it stay His? Is the wing of God imputed to us? Of course not...the wing is imputed to God otherwise it would not be His wing. Likewise the righteousness of God. That level of righteousness can ONLY be imputed to Him.

So at last we uncover the scheme of self-righteousness we find in so many churches. And not just any self-righteousness...but one that snubs God to His face.. by claiming to be as righteous as He is. And all this is accepted as mainstream by some.

 

[Rockerduck]

And that is why I can't explain holy things to a person who has merely read the bible without experiencing anything recorded in it.

Pride gets in your way. I received the revelation of knowledge from God. Its an anointing you can only have after you have received the Holy Spirit. The natural man can't see it.

 

[Episkopos]

Pride gets in your way. I received the revelation of knowledge from God. Its an anointing you can only have after you have received the Holy Spirit. The natural man can't see it.

And what revelation did you receive? Pride indeed gets in the way. You are describing your own pathology here. So what revelation allowed you to grow in religious pride?

 

[Rockerduck]

And what revelation did you receive? Pride indeed gets in the way. You are describing your own pathology here. So what revelation allowed you to grow in religious pride?

Not mine. I don't create any, like you, I know only Jesus. The whole bible is about Jesus. Jesus is the Word and I only use what Jesus teaches and says, plus Jesus taught the Apostle Paul. The Apostle Paul did not create anything, he explained the simple Gospel about Jesus. Eph. 2:8 -For by grace you have been saved through faith in Jesus Christ, and that not of yourselves, itis the gift of God.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

In this first part of a five part series on reviving biblical Christianity we lay out a definitive illustrative chart taken from the bible narrative that reveals God's ways - joined together by Jesus into one "Way" in Him. While this may seem to be too daunting a task to have undertaken, considering the staggering implications of this restored revelation, we challenge those who are serious about following Christ to at least consider what is being presented and take it to the words of God in the Bible -- and to the Lord Himself.

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[amigo de christo]

Whether one reads the Bible or not is not the main reason.
For instance, a single sentence can be interpreted in two different ways by two different groups of people.
This has happened countless times in Chinese history.
The Bible is the same.
This could be true of any book.

the carnal mind is the one that sees yet cannot see .
The sheep have the mind of Christ of the Spirit .
Now lets get in that bible . just cause carnal minds can see things differently
Means squat .
And its no reason for to NOT GET IN THAT BIBLE .
The only reason one wo uld be so fast as to remove him or herself from said bible
Is always a carnal reason . OH YEAH something they read they NO LIKEY and ran to something
for to recreate another image of another god they so want and need to beleive IS GOD .
And yet their god does not DO AS THE GOD . it always finds a means to justify sin . We better all be on gaurd .

 

[Hillsage]

Too many twists and turns here to track your thought process.

Great post....back to bitesize. One twist and turn will be much easier to deal with for both of us. That is, If you even have time to deal with me at all now. I just checked in and MERCY....I'm not reading 90% because it's a waste of time. I kept looking for scripture....big mistake. Nobody has DEFINED "righteousness" from any source or verse IMO.

304 X the word "righteousness" is in the bible, 15X without a Heb or Gr word to even justify it being there.

289X in bible "righteousness"
125X in OT 6666 tsedaqah: rightness (abstract def.), subj. (rectitude), obj. (justice), moral (virtue), or fig. (prosperity)
79X in OT 6664 tsedeq: the right (nat., mor. or legal); also (abstr.) equity or (fig.) prosperity
1X in OT 6665 tsidqah: beneficence

93X in NT 1343 dikaiosune: equity (of character or act); spec. (Chr.) justification
4X in NT 1345 dikaioma: an equitable deed; by impl. a statute or decision
1X in NT 1346 dikaios: equitably
1X in NT 2118 euthutes: rectitude

As you can see we have a wide range of choices here. Context obviously influences definition.

Thoughts or comments so far? "Right standing with God" has been one accepted definition of the word, according to churchianity....Would that serve as a 'common' def for us? Or do you have another?

But you seem to have missed the idea of biblical imputation of righteousness in favour of an evangelical 2-step that fully misunderstands what righteousness is.

That's not my opinon. I don't think I missed anything yet, so we are both 'thinking' alike. I have no reason to bow to you and you have no reason to bow to me.

In the following verses we see God caught in the very act of imputing righteousness to 3 men. Who is seeing the righteousness and declaring that these men are righteous? God is. What KIND of righteousness is being noticed? The righteousness of 3 men.

'I see' God saying they are dealing with the deliverance of their "own SOULS" which is NOT the salvation of your SPIRIT.

GAL 3:22* But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith OF Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Having Faith IN Jesus the Christ for His righteousness for your spirit, is a whole lot different than Having the Faith OF Jesus the Christ in your soul, to walk as he walked regarding sin.

Ez. 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

v20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

Do you distinguish the 3 different salvations, of your spirit, soul, body? That's big in my paradigm thinking. Or are you just a 'one and done' believer?

 

[Marvelloustime]

the carnal mind is the one that sees yet cannot see .
The sheep have the mind of Christ of the Spirit .
Now lets get in that bible . just cause carnal minds can see things differently
Means squat .
And its no reason for to NOT GET IN THAT BIBLE .
The only reason one wo uld be so fast as to remove him or herself from said bible
Is always a carnal reason . OH YEAH something they read they NO LIKEY and ran to something
for to recreate another image of another god they so want and need to beleive IS GOD .
And yet their god does not DO AS THE GOD . it always finds a means to justify sin . We better all be on gaurd .

@amigo de christo