Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 1
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amigo de christo
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Marvelloustime
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soberxp
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It's not because of the carnal mind, but our good and evil, sometimes the good is the good, sometimes the good is the evil,
Call good evil and call evil good,
So a single sentence can be interpreted in two different ways by two different groups of people.
That's why God always disagree with human beings falling for the tree of good and evil, but always wanted us to remember obey his word.
amigo de christo
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For if i sought to please man I would NOT be the servant of Christ .
Seeker friendly literally tanked every church it entered into my friend .
It was all a sham .
It produced a generation that can say love all day long , but knows neither GOD or His love .
It has led them into accusations against the very words of GOD and those who bring such words .
It has led them to holler judge n ot any time the v ery words of GOD are brought that expose sin .
It has led them and even leads them now
to hollering Judge not , when a man says JESUS is the Only way and to be sa ved YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM
and that all other religoins are in d arkness .
It has led them to holler what RIGHT do ye have to say that . What right have ye to say that muslims , hindus
and etc DO not know GOD and are in danger of hell fire .
It has led them to JUDGE . and not sins , not those in e rrors that need correction
BUT THEY JUDGE GOD ALL MIGHTY . GOD and HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS are now ON TRIAL
in many churches TO BE CONDMENED . and they think is love . and its GOD behind them . NOPE its satan .
THEY may as well be HOLLERING AT GOD and HIS CHRIST
saying WHAT RIGHT HAVE YE TO SAY YE MUST BLEIEVE , WHAT RIGHT have ye haters to say
ONE must repent of sin and BELIEVE ON JESUS .
GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS VERY WORDS are on trial IN MANY CHURCHES NOW
and they judge them as HATE SPEECH just as they judge the sheep who bring them as being haters .
HELLO CHURCHES that is what YE SEEKER FRIENDLY FOLLOW NOW .
THAT IS WHAT YOUR E CUMENICAL WHORE has led you too . JUDGING GOD .
Hillsage
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Too many "twists and turns" in my theology, you said to me in post #91.
But then in #109 you say: "Instead what is presented is a hodge-podge of doctrinal twists and turns that lowers the standard of Christ to what any religious addict can do."
You said nothing to me about your NUANCED comment which disappoints me. I easily conceded in my next text that you have just as many twists and turns in you own position IN MY OPINION. And looking back at 8 pages it appears to me NOBODY here isn't yielding one inch to your opinion. I'm willing to continue discussion with you. They just want you to shut up.
Can I share what the holy spirit taught me decades ago, concerning 'twists and turns'...in a vision of a maze? He said If you are truly spirit led, you will get through the maze (of bad theology) just like a lab trained mouse, would go through a maze never missing a turn....he would run from the IN DOOR to the OUT DOOR. In the maze God showed me there was ONE door for entry. I was told that door would be opened, and you would be thrown in, at the birth of your human natured spirit into a holy natured spirit. (bolded terms here, are newer revelation understanding) And then GOD will permanently close that door of the maze. Why? Because there is OSAS for the born again SPIRIT. You never did anything good enough to open that door and you can't do anything bad enough to open it to get back out. Because it is SEALED just like the salvation of your spirit by His spirit.
But once in and the door closed, you have the opportunity to be totally spirit led to get through the open door that lets you OUT of that maze. And you can do so and never make a mistaken turn, IF IF IF you are truly being led by the holy spirit of the messiah in you, just like Jesus was led, when HE was becoming the perfect lamb, for 30 = years. So also you can...IF YOU are truly spirit led.....never have to backslide to a position closer to the closed door you came in through. You can also make wrong steps left/right forward/backward for decades if you aren't holy spirit led. But no matter how long it takes God will let you wander in the 'twists and turns' when led by your religous spirited head.
My Maze of doctrinal twists and turns is confusing to you, but not to me. Could it be that you are simply being LESS SPIRIT LED than I am? You are dogging too many of my direct questions, and that does concern me.
Do you believe in PREDESTINATION for the FIRST salvation....of your spirit? YES or NO?
Do you think our human natured spirit became the holy natured spirit of Christ in us? Would you say YES or NO?
Do you believe in separate salvations for your soul and your body? YES or NO?
But then in #109 you say: "Instead what is presented is a hodge-podge of doctrinal twists and turns that lowers the standard of Christ to what any religious addict can do."
You said nothing to me about your NUANCED comment which disappoints me. I easily conceded in my next text that you have just as many twists and turns in you own position IN MY OPINION. And looking back at 8 pages it appears to me NOBODY here isn't yielding one inch to your opinion. I'm willing to continue discussion with you. They just want you to shut up.
Can I share what the holy spirit taught me decades ago, concerning 'twists and turns'...in a vision of a maze? He said If you are truly spirit led, you will get through the maze (of bad theology) just like a lab trained mouse, would go through a maze never missing a turn....he would run from the IN DOOR to the OUT DOOR. In the maze God showed me there was ONE door for entry. I was told that door would be opened, and you would be thrown in, at the birth of your human natured spirit into a holy natured spirit. (bolded terms here, are newer revelation understanding) And then GOD will permanently close that door of the maze. Why? Because there is OSAS for the born again SPIRIT. You never did anything good enough to open that door and you can't do anything bad enough to open it to get back out. Because it is SEALED just like the salvation of your spirit by His spirit.
But once in and the door closed, you have the opportunity to be totally spirit led to get through the open door that lets you OUT of that maze. And you can do so and never make a mistaken turn, IF IF IF you are truly being led by the holy spirit of the messiah in you, just like Jesus was led, when HE was becoming the perfect lamb, for 30 = years. So also you can...IF YOU are truly spirit led.....never have to backslide to a position closer to the closed door you came in through. You can also make wrong steps left/right forward/backward for decades if you aren't holy spirit led. But no matter how long it takes God will let you wander in the 'twists and turns' when led by your religous spirited head.
My Maze of doctrinal twists and turns is confusing to you, but not to me. Could it be that you are simply being LESS SPIRIT LED than I am? You are dogging too many of my direct questions, and that does concern me.
Do you believe in PREDESTINATION for the FIRST salvation....of your spirit? YES or NO?
Do you think our human natured spirit became the holy natured spirit of Christ in us? Would you say YES or NO?
Do you believe in separate salvations for your soul and your body? YES or NO?
I appreciate that there are true seekers that come here periodically.
I think you are neglecting how God sorts out the children of the kingdom. There are 2 cuts...one is salvation from the judgment of the world...initial salvation. And then the "saved" children of the kingdom are judged and many will be cut off into outer darkness (not hell like the wicked) Read Matt 13...parable of the sheep and the goats. Our part in the sealing of God is to depart from iniquity.
Unless one seeks one never finds.
No. Predestination is only for those who God foreknew would be conformed to the image of Christ....as it is written. Many are called but few are chosen. That is not for just salvation but for glorification.
No. Christ is only fully formed in us when we enter INTO Him. Otherwise we would be walking in a sinful Christ. The inner man walks under the power of the outward man until the latter is broken, thus freeing the inner man to be where Christ is.
Yes. Our spirit is saved first....for the believer. Then the process of salvation begins for the soul. (As in work out your own salvation). Those who have tasted God's holiness need to back that up with the process of learning righteousness... and God's minimum standard...in humility and the fear of the Lord (with fear and trembling). And finally the redemption of the body at Christ's return.
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Hillsage
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IMO I think ALL enter 'one narrow door' (to the maze) to even become "children of the kingdom". And it is that "cut" which goes back to the fall to begin with. And that fall was an 'access loss' to the to the spiritual "Tree of eternal life" for their FLESH bodies. Their spirits didn't "die" as some believe and teach. Their spirits became prodigal to the 'FATHER GOD' of their spirits. In the Garden they walked in RELATIONSHIP and FELLOWSHIP. with the Father. But when they quit "walking in the "SPIRIT/ruach" of the day" ("cool" comes from a lying scribe's pen). Adam/Eve simply lost their soulish FELLOWSHIP in the Garden. Their immortal bodies received the sentence of DEATH/PERISHABILITY. On the cross Jesus didn't die 'in spirit' or 'spiritually' for our sins. His body/flesh died. That was the curse from the beginning. He died that our spirit would be reborn from above....the spirits of all flesh are from God and all spirits are therefore divine and cannot die. ALL spirits will be REborn again 'from above' and not resurrected. (my take on the greatly unknown truth concerning Ultimate Reconciliation). It's not for soul salvation it's not for body salvation.
The scapegoat was for the transfer of sin, not a sin offering by blood. The high priest laid his hands on it and confessed all iniquities, and transgressions and sins,
As I've said earlier what your definition of those three are? I don't agree with your opinion of them. They per;tain to the triune man. Iniquities deal with spiritual, transgressions deal with soulish temptations, and sin kill soul and flesh. The scapegoat lives and the curse
You inherit at conception (I believe) the same spirits which came from having had access to a 'father's/sperm'. Some of those spirits gained access, through your mother, to your father. Both, spirits from her father and any other spirits which she picked up in her life before Father. Those evil spirits have a legal access to begin their named character/jobs 'spirit of whatever'. Only (17?) are named in scripture. But there is one for every avarice temptation/transgression there is. Doesn't mean you will ever follow them into any of them as sin. But you will face them in the working out of the salvation of your soul.
We are on our way to Rochester Maine (Mayos). We are nearing son's house in Topeka, and won't be around for W.W.W. until Sunday. So let me finish this post for now. And you can just roll your eyes as to what I've shared so far.
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I would ask you...in what way does what you have laid out in your post edify the body of Christ?IMO I think ALL enter 'one narrow door' (to the maze) to even become "children of the kingdom". And it is that "cut" which goes back to the fall to begin with. And that fall was an 'access loss' to the to the spiritual "Tree of eternal life" for their FLESH bodies. Their spirits didn't "die" as some believe and teach. Their spirits became prodigal to the 'FATHER GOD' of their spirits. In the Garden they walked in RELATIONSHIP and FELLOWSHIP. with the Father. But when they quit "walking in the "SPIRIT/ruach" of the day" ("cool" comes from a lying scribe's pen). Adam/Eve simply lost their soulish FELLOWSHIP in the Garden. Their immortal bodies received the sentence of DEATH/PERISHABILITY. On the cross Jesus didn't die 'in spirit' or 'spiritually' for our sins. His body/flesh died. That was the curse from the beginning. He died that our spirit would be reborn from above....the spirits of all flesh are from God and all spirits are therefore divine and cannot die. ALL spirits will be REborn again 'from above' and not resurrected. (my take on the greatly unknown truth concerning Ultimate Reconciliation). It's not for soul salvation it's not for body salvation.
The scapegoat was for the transfer of sin, not a sin offering by blood. The high priest laid his hands on it and confessed all iniquities, and transgressions and sins,
As I've said earlier what your definition of those three are? I don't agree with your opinion of them. They per;tain to the triune man. Iniquities deal with spiritual, transgressions deal with soulish temptations, and sin kill soul and flesh. The scapegoat lives and the curse
You inherit at conception (I believe) the same spirits which came from having had access to a 'father's/sperm'. Some of those spirits gained access, through your mother, to your father. Both, spirits from her father and any other spirits which she picked up in her life before Father. Those evil spirits have a legal access to begin their named character/jobs 'spirit of whatever'. Only (17?) are named in scripture. But there is one for every avarice temptation/transgression there is. Doesn't mean you will ever follow them into any of them as sin. But you will face them in the working out of the salvation of your soul.
We are on our way to Rochester Maine (Mayos). We are nearing son's house in Topeka, and won't be around for W.W.W. until Sunday. So let me finish this post for now. And you can just roll your eyes as to what I've shared so far.
A good example of this is Israel's deliverance from bondage and being tested in the wilderness. They made the first cut but they ultimately failed to enter into the promised land. We should fear lest the same fate come upon us. Jude warns us:
Jude 5: I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
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amigo de christo
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destroyed them who what , oh yeah BELIEVED NOT .
and now a word .
IF ONE BELEIVES NOT ON JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY DO NOT BELEIVE GOD THE FATHER WHO TESTIFIED ON HIM .
which means LOOK OUT they gonna perish , be destroyed .
See , man can lie , buT GOD cannot lie .
And i BELEIVE THAT WHICH JESUS said and later the apostels confirmed .
Seeing GOD cannot lie , JESUS cannot lie . man can and man often does . Just NOT GOD . HE DONT LIE .
So let us return to the all out preaching of the dire reminder THAT TO BE SAVED YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
But allow me to use the words of jailor , who asked the most important question of his life .
BUT SIRS what MUST I DO to be saved .
BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and ye shall be saved . pretty simple . but folks do not LIKE the one true gopsel anymore
and had rather beleive a lie they THINK is of GOD and call Love .
BUT have long forgotten That CHARITY dont rejoice in a lie , in inquity , ONLY IN TRUTH .
AND believe me when i say , JESUS IS THE TRUTH the WAY and THE LIFE
and NONE can come to GOD but by HIM . Time for the original Gospel to make a fast return to the scene .
You are missing the point completely. This is not about religious beliefs, it's about the kind of faith that gets you translated into the higher walk...in the Spirit in Zion. Very few if any modern evangelicals believe that they can walk in the perfection of Christ. So they don't believe that with Christ we can do ALL things.
You are among such unbelievers. You like it when people think I'm crazy for testifying to a walk in the victory of Christ...by translation to walk IN Him. The Promised land we are to enter is in the kingdom realm where Jesus is. In Him is no sin. In Him we partake of HIS holiness.
Jude shows that there are multiple levels of belief. They had the faith to leave the land and cross the red sea...they didn't have the faith to enter the land. We are to grow from faith to faith.
Ro 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
You see, the humble receive MORE grace:
Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
amigo de christo
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I find it rather odd that more and more in this last generation
try and speak of many faiths
Rather than POINTING TO FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE . but then i also know why this has become the case .
We are in dire trouble . As for me ITS ONLY CHRIST that i shall point too .
Remember all will stand before HIM . Before Him . We really should have stuck to preaching Christ
The problem is that you misunderstand what is being said. No one is speaking of "many" faiths. They are simply pointing out the fact that there are different levels and measures of the single faith.
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