Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

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IndianaRob

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I prefer the attitude of this david whose heart was AFTER GOD .
And yeah i know our weapons are not carnal but spiritual .
But when david saw that giant defying God
David was not gonna have it . Nor will i .
And much like david , I KNOW without GOD it would not be possible .
BUT WITH HIM , all things are possible unto He who believes .
We should expose all false doctrines and all false leaders who lead this people astray .
But IF that sounds a little too judgmental too you , Or maybe it DONT , but in case it does
READ what GOD told a church . YE ALLOW that f alse prophetess to t each and to seduce my people .
AND GOD was gonna have NONE of that . NOR WILL I . I am gonna expose it all my friend .
AND NOT because i THINK i am any better than any man . But because WHAT DISHONORS GOD
is abomination in my sight , AS it is in HIS own site .
AND IF WE truly had the love of GOD we would have LOOKED out for the good of this people and had warned
and even corrected them and have not allowed sin upon them .
What actually slew Goliath? Was it David's skill with a sling, or was it God working through David as His instrument because David trusted Him for the victory?

David was willing, and God gave the victory. Same for us—God slays the giants, but the believer must be willing to let the sin go. Our part isn't strength; it's surrender.
 

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Here is AI on entering the promised land:

"The journey of the Children of Israel into the Promised Land is a major theological metaphor in Wesleyan-Arminian theology for entire sanctification (also called Christian perfection or the second work of grace). [1, 2]
Here is how the historical journey maps to the spiritual experience of a believer.

The Theological Analogy
    • Egypt (Slavery): Represents a person's life before salvation, enslaved to the guilt and power of sin. [1]
    • The Red Sea (Justification/Exodus): Represents the initial conversion or born-again experience, where a believer is delivered from the guilt of sin and enters the family of God. [1, 2]
    • The Wilderness (The Carnal State): Represents a period of wandering, spiritual instability, and internal conflict, characterized by a mix of faith and rebellion (the "old man" vs. the "new man").
    • The Jordan River (Entire Sanctification): Represents a second, distinct work of grace where the believer completely surrenders to God, dying to self. [1]
    • The Promised Land (Canaan): Represents the life of entire sanctification—not a place of final heaven without conflict, but a state of rest, spiritual maturity, and victory over indwelling sin. [1, 2]

Key Parallels Between Canaan and Entire Sanctification
    • A Second Crisis: Crossing the Red Sea was the first crisis; crossing the Jordan River was a second, separate crisis required to enter the land. Entire sanctification is viewed similarly as a second definite work of grace after justification. [1, 2]
    • A Gift Received by Faith: The Israelites did not earn Canaan; they had to walk into the parted waters of the Jordan by faith. Entire sanctification is received instantly by faith, not achieved gradually by human effort. [1, 2, 3]
    • Deliverance from Internal Enemies: In the wilderness, Israel's biggest problem was their own murmuring and unbelief. Entering the Promised Land represents the cleansing of the inherited sin nature (carnality). [1]
    • Not the End of Warfare: Canaan was full of battles (Jericho, Ai, etc.). Entire sanctification does not mean freedom from temptation, mistakes, or spiritual warfare; it means having a heart fully unified and empowered by the Holy Spirit to fight those battles victoriously. [1, 2, 3, 4]"

The question is not whether someone can build an impressive analogy from Israel’s journey. The question is whether God Himself gives that interpretation.

Scripture never says Egypt represents the unconverted life, the Red Sea represents justification, the wilderness represents a carnal Christian state, Jordan represents a second work of grace, or Canaan represents entire sanctification. Those meanings have been assigned to the text.

Hebrews gives the inspired meaning plainly. Israel failed to enter because of unbelief, and believers enter God’s rest through faith:

“For we which have believed do enter into rest” (Hebrews 4:3).

Jordan is never called a second work of grace. Canaan cannot represent deliverance from indwelling sin, because Israel continued to sin after entering it. Achan sinned at Jericho, the nation repeatedly rebelled in Judges, and idolatry continued throughout Israel’s history. They entered a land filled with enemies, temptation, failure, discipline, and war.

The Bible does teach sanctification, growth, self-denial, and holiness. But it does not teach them through this invented chain of symbols. Sanctification is the work of God in everyone He has saved:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).

An analogy may sound spiritual and still go beyond what is written. AI can repeat a theological framework, but it cannot turn that framework into the meaning of Scripture.
 

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The question is not whether someone can build an impressive analogy from Israel’s journey. The question is whether God Himself gives that interpretation.

Scripture never says Egypt represents the unconverted life, the Red Sea represents justification, the wilderness represents a carnal Christian state, Jordan represents a second work of grace, or Canaan represents entire sanctification. Those meanings have been assigned to the text.

Hebrews gives the inspired meaning plainly. Israel failed to enter because of unbelief, and believers enter God’s rest through faith:

“For we which have believed do enter into rest” (Hebrews 4:3).

Jordan is never called a second work of grace. Canaan cannot represent deliverance from indwelling sin, because Israel continued to sin after entering it. Achan sinned at Jericho, the nation repeatedly rebelled in Judges, and idolatry continued throughout Israel’s history. They entered a land filled with enemies, temptation, failure, discipline, and war.

The Bible does teach sanctification, growth, self-denial, and holiness. But it does not teach them through this invented chain of symbols. Sanctification is the work of God in everyone He has saved:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).

An analogy mayv said, sound spiritual and still go beyond what is written. AI can repeat a theological framework, but it cannot turn that framework into the meaning of Scripture.
The deeper spiritual interpretation can only be understood by those who are on it or have been through it. Flesh v spirit. Plus the fact that followers of Christ who were disciples of the apostles, and those coming after, backed the spiritual process calling it via Triplex. As I have said, that interpretation coming to the west, had lost some of its teachings.

As time has gone by, the teaching has been denied and persecuted until it barely exists today, but it has been common teaching in times past.

St Maximus the Confessor is the clearest teacher of it.