Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[shepherdsword]

Yes, that's quite something isn't it, for someone to claim they are speaking the oracles of God.

I wonder if we can look to what was done with the Temple to prepare it for God's habitation......that our lives follow the same pattern as what was done with the Temple since individually we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. We are being sanctified......cleansed, purged through trials and tribs, being prepared to be consecrated to the Lord, and made a habitation for Him and filled with His glory.

1 Pe 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Lizbeth]

1 Pe 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Yes, if any man speak according to their spiritual gift, they SHOULD speak as the oracles of God by the Holy Spirit. It's another thing to go around claiming it. But if someone does, they better be telling the truth.

 

[ProDeo]

I put myself under everyone else.

When?

I'm trying to pull people down off their prideful high horses so that they stop insulting the spirit of grace. And these prideful ones just get angry and hurl abuse at me for my trouble

I am not angry, I am trying to save you.

. The flesh acts very badly...as it is written. As for your very skewed judgments...you are seeing things as you are. You have no idea who I am and what God has called me to...because of the depth that God calls people at, which you don't understand, and that bothers your ego..because you are unable to see others with anything but as being in an inferior position. You think you know more than others. So that reveals you, not me.

You are not the only one on the forum who claims to be on a mission of God. I don't see you as such. Instead I have this habit to criticize people for their bad behavior. In the hope they will improve. Just check my posts, the vast majority is about your bad mouthing your brothers and sisters. There is absolutely no holiness in such postings. The zeal for the Lord has its limits, nowhere in the epistles you will notice your kind of bad mouthing the brothers and sisters they addressed. On the contrary, I see edifying and warnings in love.

So why are you so against humility in your self life?

Says you ?

Based on what ?

And holiness and sanctification are two sides of the same coin.

No, they are not.

I don't use the word sanctification much because of the very false doctrine of there being a PROCESS whereby we can be half-holy, half-cleansed, This is an invention by men,

And yet sanctification is in Scripture, so again what's the difference between sanctification and holiness ?

The word itself means a process.

You don't have to like what Scripture states, but you can not ignore it, but you do.

Instead of acting like a religious nut with intolerance and blindness and deafness, apply yourself...

Oh Epi.............

But you are forgiven.

So how are you doing today? :)

Worried about you.

 

[bdavidc]

I've been curious. Do you use AI to generate your comments? Your website is littered with AI. I say this as an artist, who has an I for computer generated content.

I don't believe you and I have ever even talked before, so I am not sure why how I prepare my posts or run my websites is really any of your business. But since you asked publicly, I will answer you.

I do use AI sometimes, especially when I am doing research. I actually like using it for research because it can help me find information, organize material, compare things, and point me toward things I may want to look into further. I also use it sometimes to help with wording or graphics. But no, I do not sit down and have AI generate everything I post.

AI is a tool. That is how I look at it. Just like a computer, a search engine, Bible software, spellcheck, or a word processor, it can help you get something done faster and more efficiently. The difference is that AI is much more powerful, which also means you had better know how to use it and check what it gives you.

I certainly do not trust AI blindly. It can be wrong. When I use it for research, I check what it gives me. When Scripture is involved, I check it against the Bible. I am responsible for what I post, not AI. If I put my name on something, I have read it and I stand behind it.

And quite frankly, I think AI is going to become just as normal as computers, search engines, and word processors became. A lot of people already use AI every day whether they realize it or not. If someone does not want to use it, that is their choice. But if you do use it, you need to learn how to use it correctly instead of treating everything it gives you as automatically true.

But none of that really has anything to do with what I posted here.

I quoted Episkopos' own words and then put Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5, Romans 5:9, Romans 11:6, and Titus 3:5 beside them. The question is whether what he is teaching agrees with Scripture.

If I quoted him wrong, show me.

If I quoted the Bible wrong, show me.

If I am using those Scriptures incorrectly, then show me from Scripture.

Whether I used AI while researching or writing a post does not change one word of Romans 5:9. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

AI is not my authority. Episkopos is not my authority. I am not my own authority either.

The Word of God is the authority.

I use AI sometimes, and I especially like it for research. Now that I have answered your question, perhaps we can get back to the actual issue being discussed.

 

[bdavidc]

Your verse doesn't back up your claim. The deeds of the law are the temple holiness laws that made a person a Jew...circumcision and such. You don't know what either righteousness or holiness is. All you have is an indoctrination into an UNLEARNED religious ideology that a LITTLE bit of study would overturn.

What do you think deeds of the law are? Humility? Fear of the Lord? But you rail and accuse because of your ignorance. So you sin double.


Paul talks about ABUNDANT grace besides the gift of grace. Are you walking in resurrection life over sin? Of course not...you are still in unbelief in regards to he gospel. You have taken the deception in as if it saved you. That's all you have. Have you ever read the words of Jesus? Buy from Me He says...to religious people who think they are rich and can see. You need to listen to Jesus. Look up the word "BUY" in the bible. That's something you will never hear in the Babylonian religious system. All the crowd wants is free stuff...not one of you will lay their life down to be a FOLLOWER of Christ. You only want what any carnal man would do...believe that Jesus is God. Acknowledging that does not make you obedient to God.


Are you that slow???? The blood of Jesus IS the life of Jesus. We are not meant to be like crows that feast on dead bodies. But you are a crow here.


My doctrine follows the entire bible because I was taught by the Spirit of God. You were taught by manipulating pulpiteers and spew Lutheran heresies that dishonour God. You don't believe in the gospel. (On either level)


The only contradictions come from your attempt at theology.


False. God gives grace to those who obey Him. Have you read the bible?


"And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

You have no experience with God. Only bible reading and pew sitting. You think grace is a free pass...but it is the power of God to obey the law PERFECTLY. If you sin then you are not under grace...but under the law.

If you OBEY God and repent you get the gift of the Spirit


Yes. saved from sin. No one has the power to overcome sin unless they are under grace...to walk as Jesus walked. (It's funny you can ignore anything spiritual and victorious I say...because you have never known anything any deeper than a religious opinion).

The bible NEVER speaks of "getting" saved. That is a sunday school deviant doctrine that seeks to reward a selfish religious pursuit.


That's all you have. You claim obedience is trying to be saved by works of the law...which is false. You don't know any of the meanings of these words.



You have parroted Lutheranism. Do you produce sin? Do you have a sinful holiness? (it's funny you don't respond to that one) Are you half holy? Your kind of doctrine is so foolish and has brought evil into the world...all the excessive sins we see in the world come from church disobedience and rebellion against the truth.


Good works better. Because some people who are not believers also do good works. What you should actually say...to not be a false teacher...is PERFECT works follow salvation...or else it's just a human trying harder. Your works are NOT from salvation..because you don't know what salvation is. Hint: It's not a saved status. That's churchy...not biblical.


Not initial grace. It is a free sample. Without the sample you would not lay down your life to buy the full measure. THAT is the gospel. We can walk as Jesus walked by grace through faith. But you don't obey the gospel. You only give it lip-service.

People in the religious system have been told that the free sample is ALL YOU NEED to be justified forever. But Jesus says that we should buy from Him gold, eye salve and garments that are purified in the fire of an eternal holiness....so that a person can be a vessel of honour.


Why do you condemn yourself? If you don't want to hear the truth...don't come to my threads and heap more condemnation on yourself.


Of course. God will impute righteousness by faith or works. That is taught throughout the bible in both testaments. You have to actually pray a little and seek HARD. You need to break free of your religious conditioning to KNOW GOD. The glory of God is not available by looking online. You have to go to Him...which of course you won't. None of you crows will ever seek the Lord. Obey the gospel...seek FIRST the kingdom. Just one minute in Zion and you will change everything you think you know. You need to be baptized in the Spirit if you want to have any discernment.


You are like a child that thinks he knows what he is reading. Justification comes from the LIFE of Jesus...not His death. Because you have a dead religion you only see death. Awake you who sleep, rise from the dead and Christ will give you LIFE. That is the gospel...not a self-justification by claiming Jesus as your personal sacrificial Lamb.

The bible truth can't survive your reading of it. My understanding comes from God. The bible lines up perfectly with it's Author. You need to contact the Author if you want to avoid condemnation. .

Your gospel requires works, and that makes it a FALSE gospel. You can try and hide behind holiness lingo, deeper revelation claims, or saying you teach what you're taught by the Spirit, but it STILL goes against the clear Word of God.

Those who KNOW Christ will KNOW His Word, and will NOT be deceived by that. "God imputeth righteousness without works" (Romans 4:6), and we are "justified by his blood" (Romans 5:9). Your teaching flies in the face of both of those statements.

You have been shown Scriptural truth and you are resisting it. At this point it's simple, "If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:9).

 

[bdavidc]

Humanity fell, because Adam and Eve decided they could declare what was right and wrong. God made everything "good". But after Adam and Eve fell, taking from the tree, Adam told God off, by basically saying God was wrong. Adam told God, he was naked. We are not God. Lets go back to being children. Those who can enter the Kingdom of God. "Adults" think they know everything, but they close off their minds and hearts.

The issue in Eden was never that Adam and Eve became too sure about right and wrong. The issue was that they disobeyed what God had already declared. And Jesus saying we should receive the kingdom like a little child does not mean we should keep our minds open to any teaching. The Bible tells us, "Test everything; hold on to what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

 

[bdavidc]

Those who have a higher view of themselves are lost. Did you see my call out a member for AI posting? I thought you were better, my brother. Show me where I was wrong.

You are wrong. Making the AI the issue is a dodge. AI does not decide what is true or false, Scripture does. Prove all things hold fast that which is good ~1 Thessalonians 5:21. Stop sidestepping and deal with what is actually being taught, show from the Bible where it is wrong. Calling someone lost over AI posting proves nothing, it only shows you do not care what the Bible actually says.

 

[bdavidc]

@Azim, stop acting like you cornered me and won some sort of argument by bringing up AI. You didn’t prove anything. I’m calling you out on something that actually matters. This is about doctrine. What is being taught is TRUE according to the Bible or not TRUE according to the Bible. It’s not about what you think about AI.

You speak as though only God should lead us not men, but you continue to run to Episkopos for answers. You agree with him. You call him a “scary lion.” Then you tell us how you’re going to sit at his feet and meditate on his words. Gee maybe you should meditate on what the Bible says about that: “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm” (Jeremiah 17:5).

You quote scriptures here and there, but I put up Episkopos’ teaching and asked you to rebut it with Scripture. When his teachings were placed up against Romans 3, Romans 4, Romans 5, Romans 11, Titus 3, and Galatians 1 you didn’t answer one. Not ONE. You dodged every single passage and decided to change the subject to AI. “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Not only are you not proving Episkopos by Scripture, you’re refusing to engage the Scriptures that CLEARLY contradict him so you can continue to defend the teacher.

The Bereans “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts 17:11. THAT is what you need to be doing with Episkopos. You are NOT doing that. You are instead protecting a teacher whose teachings on works, grace, and the death of Christ do NOT match up with the obvious Word of God. Scripture doesn’t joke around when it comes to a false gospel. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:9.

So here’s where we are. Stop making this about AI. Stop defending this man. Prove from Scripture where God says a sinner is accepted by his works or his faith. Show us where we only get a sample of grace here on earth, and then have to purchase it for eternity. Show us where Christ’s death doesn’t cover our sins. If you can’t show us these things from the Bible, then stop pretending like you’re testing this out by Scripture. You are putting a teacher before what the plain reading of the Bible says, and that is how folks get deceived.

 

[Azim]

@Azim, stop acting like you cornered me and won some sort of argument by bringing up AI. You didn’t prove anything. I’m calling you out on something that actually matters. This is about doctrine. What is being taught is TRUE according to the Bible or not TRUE according to the Bible. It’s not about what you think about AI.

You speak as though only God should lead us not men, but you continue to run to Episkopos for answers. You agree with him. You call him a “scary lion.” Then you tell us how you’re going to sit at his feet and meditate on his words. Gee maybe you should meditate on what the Bible says about that: “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm” (Jeremiah 17:5).

You quote scriptures here and there, but I put up Episkopos’ teaching and asked you to rebut it with Scripture. When his teachings were placed up against Romans 3, Romans 4, Romans 5, Romans 11, Titus 3, and Galatians 1 you didn’t answer one. Not ONE. You dodged every single passage and decided to change the subject to AI. “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Not only are you not proving Episkopos by Scripture, you’re refusing to engage the Scriptures that CLEARLY contradict him so you can continue to defend the teacher.

The Bereans “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts 17:11. THAT is what you need to be doing with Episkopos. You are NOT doing that. You are instead protecting a teacher whose teachings on works, grace, and the death of Christ do NOT match up with the obvious Word of God. Scripture doesn’t joke around when it comes to a false gospel. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:9.

So here’s where we are. Stop making this about AI. Stop defending this man. Prove from Scripture where God says a sinner is accepted by his works or his faith. Show us where we only get a sample of grace here on earth, and then have to purchase it for eternity. Show us where Christ’s death doesn’t cover our sins. If you can’t show us these things from the Bible, then stop pretending like you’re testing this out by Scripture. You are putting a teacher before what the plain reading of the Bible says, and that is how folks get deceived.

I didn't corner you. I asked a simple question. And now you gave me a long reply, and replied a few times. Are you mad I asked this question? I don't want to read from a computer. I want to read from real people, and their experiences in their walk with Jesus our Lord. Episkopos is the only person I found that experienced what I did. I'm 42. The rest of you are older then me. I look to my elders, to understand what God has done in my life. Not just for me, but for others. But want to know something. I judge his words hard. I'm not going to let myself to be fooled.

Now, tell me the truth. Have you prayed for a blind person, in fear, when you asked them if you could pray. Not knowing they believed in God. And she said yes. And the very next day, our Father gave you a confirmation for her faith in Him. That her blindness was gone?

 

[ProDeo]

You have been shown Scriptural truth and you are resisting it. At this point it's simple, "If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:9).

I would like to put this strong wordings of Paul in its historical context. In his time the NT was not written, the teachings of Christ was only available to the apostles and early writings only available to a few. During those early days there was an explosion of what is called Gnosticism, all kind of false teachings about Christ the early Church had to fight.

What Are the Gnostic Gospels?

Learn what the Gnostic Gospels are, why they differ from the New Testament, and why early Christians rejected them as Scriptural canon. Discover the truth behind their exclusion from the Bible.

www.christianity.com

This is a good overview what the early church was facing, extreme dangerous teachings about Christ robbing Him from His glory.

Hence Paul's strong wordings, the true Gospel was under pressure, the devil at work.

IMO, since we have the written word, using Gal 1:9 against a brother (a curse) is not such a good idea.

YMMV.

 

[Azim]

I really don't like being here. But, I need to ask....

I would like to put this strong wordings of Paul in its historical context. In his time the NT was not written, the teachings of Christ was only available to the apostles and early writings only available to a few. During those early days there was an explosion of what is called Gnosticism, all kind of false teachings about Christ the early Church had to fight.

What Are the Gnostic Gospels?

Learn what the Gnostic Gospels are, why they differ from the New Testament, and why early Christians rejected them as Scriptural canon. Discover the truth behind their exclusion from the Bible.

www.christianity.com

This is a good overview what the early church was facing, extreme dangerous teachings about Christ robbing Him from His glory.

Hence Paul's strong wordings, the true Gospel was under pressure, the devil at work.

IMO, since we have the written word, using Gal 1:9 against a brother (a curse) is not such a good idea.

YMMV.

What spiritual happenings have you had? I see something's eye to eye with you in other threads.

 

[ProDeo]

I really don't like being here. But, I need to ask....

What spiritual happenings have you had? I see something's eye to eye with you in other threads.

A lot, but I don't like to boast about it.

 

[Episkopos]

I would like to put this strong wordings of Paul in its historical context. In his time the NT was not written, the teachings of Christ was only available to the apostles and early writings only available to a few. During those early days there was an explosion of what is called Gnosticism, all kind of false teachings about Christ the early Church had to fight.

What Are the Gnostic Gospels?

Learn what the Gnostic Gospels are, why they differ from the New Testament, and why early Christians rejected them as Scriptural canon. Discover the truth behind their exclusion from the Bible.

www.christianity.com

This is a good overview what the early church was facing, extreme dangerous teachings about Christ robbing Him from His glory.

Hence Paul's strong wordings, the true Gospel was under pressure, the devil at work.

IMO, since we have the written word, using Gal 1:9 against a brother (a curse) is not such a good idea.

YMMV.

People will always attack me based on themselves not on me. An opinion comes from the carnal mind. People here are against what I teach because it goes against their opinions. And the stronger the opinion, the stronger the flesh has a hold on them.

Who here goes to any depth of investigation? Who here actually seeks the Lord and hears from Him? Who reads the bible and understands it? Few if any.

So I'm coming from a place of long training by God in what He approves of, and what pleases Him. (instead of checking with AI) My critics know neither of these standards. They throw out both mercy and truth. If I sing about mercy....they don't dance. If I lament because the truth is unknown here, they don't weep.


The false gospel makes promises to the flesh...claiming that God saves the entire person without the CUT of the covenant that divides between the soul and spirit of a man. So these have forsaken the covenant. God CUTS (karat) a covenant with His people...or tries to...but people want to remain intact in their fallen carnal state. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

The church of God are His "called out" ones. Called out from the flesh covering, from the religious system, and even from this world. The calling of God is at different depths...but the minimum standard is to have no confidence in the flesh by embracing humility and the fear of the Lord.

 

[Episkopos]

A lot, but I don't like to boast about it.

This is dripping with pride. You overstate your case. Testimony is not pride. Testimony is meant to encourage the inner man in other believers so that they draw nearer to God. All you see is pride. It is no wonder you think I am proud as you are. We see things as WE are. Your pride is SO GREAT that you are unable to help others here. And the your pride is SO GREAT that you want to stop me from ministering to others here.
And you are completely unteachable.

We overcome the world by the blood (life) of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

 

[shepherdsword]

This is dripping with pride. You overstate your case. Testimony is not pride. Testimony is meant to encourage the inner man in other believers so that they draw nearer to God. All you see is pride. It is no wonder you think I am proud as you are. We see things as WE are. Your pride is SO GREAT that you are unable to help others here. And the your pride is SO GREAT that you want to stop me from ministering to others here.
And you are completely unteachable.

We overcome the world by the blood (life) of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

I posted this is the dream forum sometime back

In 1993 I was struggling in my walk. I felt like a condemned man every time I walked into church. I went on a three day fast but only lasted two days. Man oh Man I felt condemned even more. I went to sleep that night and had an awesome dream encounter with the Lord. I was taken up into the Holy of Holies. There I saw the Lord pouring himself out in worship to the Father. He was singing this beautiful song over me, thanking the Father for me, As he sang the Father poured out the Spirit upon the Lord without measure. He took his right hand and some splashed onto me. All the while this incredible song was coming from him. I heard a voice behind me say "as he is so shall you be". I woke up immediately and the first thing I wanted to do was write down that song. It was a song of deliverance and it removed all of my condemnation and I was filled with excitement and joy. As I went to write I grew very sleepy and fell back asleep. When I awoke in the AM I could not recall the song...only the effect it had on me.

I went to church the next day and gave a testimony about the dream. Those that condemned me and talked behind my back had fear on their faces. They could see the glory radiating from my face and knew I was set free. It's been many years since that dream and I have never had another encounter like it. However, I will never forget it. I felt like I had hit the lottery...lol

 

[Episkopos]

I posted this is the dream forum sometime back

In 1993 I was struggling in my walk. I felt like a condemned man every time I walked into church. I went on a three day fast but only lasted two days. Man oh Man I felt condemned even more. I went to sleep that night and had an awesome dream encounter with the Lord. I was taken up into the Holy of Holies. There I saw the Lord pouring himself out in worship to the Father. He was singing this beautiful song over me, thanking the Father for me, As he sang the Father poured out the Spirit upon the Lord without measure. He took his right hand and some splashed onto me. All the while this incredible song was coming from him. I heard a voice behind me say "as he is so shall you be". I woke up immediately and the first thing I wanted to do was write down that song. It was a song of deliverance and it removed all of my condemnation and I was filled with excitement and joy. As I went to write I grew very sleepy and fell back asleep. When I awoke in the AM I could not recall the song...only the effect it had on me.

I went to church the next day and gave a testimony about the dream. Those that condemned me and talked behind my back had fear on their faces. They could see the glory radiating from my face and knew I was set free. It's been many years since that dream and I have never had another encounter like it. However, I will never forget it. I felt like I had hit the lottery...lol

This is good. You experienced a DEEP cleansing from the Lord. So your conscience was clean and your testimony was alive.

Think of this as a kickstart into a daily routine of being cleansed by His words in the inner man. You can't remain in Bethel, or Gilgal...but you can remind yourself daily of God's goodness towards you.

But don't forget who you are as you move forward in the day. Don't let the outer man bring doubts....stay pure...don't allow the dirt of the world to lower your gaze. I say this in love brother. :)

 

[shepherdsword]

This is good. You experienced a DEEP cleansing from the Lord. So your conscience was clean and your testimony was alive.

Think of this as a kickstart into a daily routine of being cleansed by His words in the inner man. You can't remain in Bethel, or Gilgal...but you can remind yourself daily of God's goodness towards you.

But don't forget who you are as you move forward in the day. Don't let the outer man bring doubts....stay pure...don't allow the dirt of the world to lower your gaze. I say this in love brother. :)

The impression I got is that I was allowed to experience something that all of those who belong to Jesus will experience. . He will rejoice at the Father's gift of each one to him and sing songs of deliverance over them, pouring His Spirit on them and completely transforming them:

Ps 32:7 You are my hiding place; you shalt preserve me from trouble; you shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance.

 

[Lizbeth]

A lot, but I don't like to boast about it.

Amen.

And it is easy to make an idol out of the things that God does and get sidetracked from the actual gospel and Christ Himself. I went to a lot of meetings in Toronto during the "Renewal" movement of the 1990's....jumped in with both feet but thankfully by God's grace soon saw how they were making an idol out of "manifestations" of the Holy Spirit. After a while I saw the Holy Spirit leave, but most didn't seem to notice...what replaced Him was a kind of counterfeit. The Lord does things....it is just normal for Him....we should not make much out of what He does, other than being thankful, but only make much out of HIM. Let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

In making an idol out of things that God was doing in the beginning, that church in Toronto was making a kind of "denomination" out of "manifestations". There are problems with doing that.....to start with it is divisive, and also tends to neglect other aspects of the whole gospel. Hope something similar isn't happening with people here regarding a "higher walk".

Everything tests us......when God does something it is holy and His business so to speak.....we need to leave it alone and not mess with it with our flesh.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen.

Pride reaches out to pride.

And it is easy to make an idol out of the things that God does and get sidetracked from the actual gospel and Christ Himself. I went to a lot of meetings in Toronto during the "Renewal" movement of the 1990's....jumped in with both feet but thankfully by God's grace soon saw how they were making an idol out of "manifestations" of the Holy Spirit. After a while I saw the Holy Spirit leave, but most didn't seem to notice...what replaced Him was a kind of counterfeit. The Lord does things....it is just normal for Him....we should not make much out of what He does, other than being thankful, but only make much out of HIM. Let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

Agreed. The Toronto thing was supposed to be about bringing people back to God who had fallen away...restoring those who were lukewarm and listless...to recharge their batteries so to speak. But people never find the balance....never. An evil and adulterous generation seeks after signs and wonders. It pleases the flesh because it is outward. But signs are to FOLLOW the work of God. And we are not to look back.

But people stayed as they were...not learning God's ways. Grace outpourings will DECEIVE people into thinking that God approves of the way they are. God's love is taken as permissiveness and a "special" status being bestowed on them.

That supposedly privileged status has not been challenged very much in evangelical circles (circus) because they all share the same sin. And into this motley crew of religious plotters I throw in a "holy hand grenade". And the flesh gets in a big snit about this. Prideful feathers get flustered. So then stop conspiring against the Lord and you won't get fragged.

In making an idol out of things that God was doing in the beginning, that church in Toronto was making a kind of "denomination" out of "manifestations". There are problems with doing that.....to start with it is divisive, and also tends to neglect other aspects of the whole gospel. Hope something similar isn't happening with people here regarding a "higher walk".

LOL The higher walk is intimacy with God...something UNKNOWN to evangelical types. They prefer a "positional" and fictional relationship with a God that already agrees with them. If a god doesn't justify them then that's "OBVIOUSLY" not God. God would never rebuke them or chasten them (If He did it would be because He loves them). The higher walk will always be for so few that a child might count them (at any one time). There is no chance that a higher intimacy with God will catch on as a popular movement...unless it be a revival of holiness...which will soon be drowned out by evangelical tourist types that are looking for justification wherever they can find it

Everything tests us......when God does something it is holy and His business so to speak.....we need to leave it alone and not mess with it with our flesh.

Amen. A covenant with God is a cutting away of what we find to be important....so that we can learn what God wants..and what He wants is both holy and eternal.

 

[ProDeo]

Amen.

And it is easy to make an idol out of the things that God does and get sidetracked from the actual gospel and Christ Himself. I went to a lot of meetings in Toronto during the "Renewal" movement of the 1990's....jumped in with both feet but thankfully by God's grace soon saw how they were making an idol out of "manifestations" of the Holy Spirit. After a while I saw the Holy Spirit leave, but most didn't seem to notice...what replaced Him was a kind of counterfeit. The Lord does things....it is just normal for Him....we should not make much out of what He does, other than being thankful, but only make much out of HIM. Let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

In making an idol out of things that God was doing in the beginning, that church in Toronto was making a kind of "denomination" out of "manifestations". There are problems with doing that.....to start with it is divisive, and also tends to neglect other aspects of the whole gospel. Hope something similar isn't happening with people here regarding a "higher walk".

Everything tests us......when God does something it is holy and His business so to speak.....we need to leave it alone and not mess with it with our flesh.

Wow, I heard a lot about the so called Toronto blessing, thanks for sharing.