Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

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amigo de christo

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Well brother, all I can say is that Jesus didn't expound all of His parables, and He didn't expound all of the old testament either. It is either that we "see" what the lesson is that is being taught, or we don't. There are not many bible scholars among the people of God relatively speaking.....it wasnt' written for scholars per se. It is the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth. We need the oil for our lamps to light our way. But if something is true it will not contradict or negate other scriptures, in fact we will see confirmation and a harmony with other scriptures.
Jesus said if ye BELIEVE NOT ON ME ye shall DIE in your sins .
JESUS said without ME ye can do nothing .
Incluvism calls JESUS a LIAR . And indeed says SURE YE can pick up your own cross and attain salvation , WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS
The Christ of GOD . And just as the serpent sold his lie to eve
so too has incl usive ecumeincalsim sold its lie to many churches .
But the sheep follow , not the path of the first adam
but rather of the second adam WHO IS THE LORD and who by himself has done all to attain our salvation
whose faith be in HIM .
 
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Laurina, if you don't mind, first things first, you said those thrown into outer darkness are saved and as Jude 1:13 implies that is everlasting. Meaning away from the presence of the Lord, outer darkness being a place of anguish, heartache, grief, and unspeakable suffering, away from the presence of the Lord.

That is not saved.

Saved is being restored in the presence of the Lord, like A&E lived in the presence of the Lord when they were created. Access to the city of Light, etc.

Please explain.

I am always open to learn.

Rom.10:13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Who am I to refute what the scriptures say. To quote Smith Wigglesworth, "The Bible says it, I believe it."
If you are NOT DEAD, you have been saved.

Now, back to my questions please.
 

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It's so strange how you keep rebuking and accusing falsely when you know very well what I believe about holiness since I've said it often enough the past four years.

You say you are not against the fear of the Lord....but without having it. You say that holiness is important without seeking first the kingdom. I question your honesty because you don't have a flesh filter.
You haven't been walking that way in 25 years, so you should be directing your questions to yourself: Do you think you are fulfilling God's conditions for entering His kingdom and what fruits are you bearing?
Bearing fruit is on 2 levels. Holy eternal fruit AND righteous fruit based on honesty, fear of the Lord, humility and lovingkindness.

I have borne eternal fruit...but I also lacked common righteousness in spite of the holy walk I was experiencing. My first foray into holiness was a lonely pursuit for me, because I was alone and very selfish. I didn't want to lose my life. And most people here don't want to lose their lives either. But God tested me.

I would have preferred to be surrounded by a faith community, but God had me learn from Him directly...as in...you have need that no man teach you. It's harder but you go farther...and it takes longer. I didn't get back into the higher walk until 18 years later. A revival sprang up around that translation. People came from all over...even a few saying God told them to come to us. Many miracles. I lasted in the Spirit for 2.5 years or so. When I failed again...this time because I didn't think righteousness is important for a Christian...just like many here who will NOT receive direct instruction from God nor will they receive my testimony.... God impressed on me in no uncertain terms that I needed to learn righteousness, even telling me to learn Hebrew to help get a better grasp on the meaning of scripture.

This I have been pursuing for 25 years...showing how crucial such a training is.

I don't believe that the training is just for me. I am to save the souls of all who hear my teachings...since people are not that connected to God so as to be personally warned. There is nothing for them to compare to.

And I realize how hard it is to hear what I'm saying. However, some do hear me..and experience more of Christ. And the nature of my ministry now is within the church whereas before it was more street ministry...the "unsaved".

So now there is a calling for all to repent. For the wicked to turn to righteousness...and for the religious believers to do the same. And all people everywhere to surrender to God in Christ in order to be reconciled to Him.

I am not worthy to be in the training of a saint...although the jury is still out on that one. But there is a way out for those who are honest and act with righteousness. Even for believers. I am thinking of doing a video on "the Book of Remembrance" mentioned in Mal. 3...that I have received much instruction on...whereby those who fail grace (holiness) still have a chance for a place of honour with God. I teach this way in our home fellowship. And this is very encouraging for those who are willing to humble themselves and accept the fear of the Lord...which I insist is necessary to avoid outer darkness.
 
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1. We have to read the bible as it is written...not try to overlay a religious perspective over it. That's why there are thousands of denominations...preferences. It is Jesus that gives the teaching about a man who fails holiness and finds a place among the righteous in eternal habitations. Luke 16. If your understanding does not include that kind of mercy...then you need to reassess everything you think you know.

2. The righteous behave rightly toward their fellow man...think Samaritan. And people have an eternity to get to know who God is. So God decides on whom to have mercy on by OUR BEHAVIOUR...not our beliefs. Don't forget that the ones who were hung up on religious conformity were the Pharisees...whom Jesus condemned...saying that harlots and publicans would get in the kingdom before them.

3. God wants us to survive. He allows the merciful to receive mercy. He helps those who help others. But with the deceptive ones God is deceptive. He sends strong delusion so that religious people believe a lie. (As I am pointing out)

4. God always leaves an escape door for the humble and those who fear Him...regardless of religious opinions and beliefs.
My goodness I sure hope people stop and TEST this, turn it over and sound it thoroughly and look at it critically in light of how Jesus and the apostles preached/wrote, otherwise Epi will be responsible for souls falling away from the GOSPEL.
 

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My goodness I sure hope people stop and TEST this, turn it over and sound it thoroughly and look at it critically in light of how Jesus and the apostles preached/wrote, otherwise Epi will be responsible for souls falling away from the GOSPEL.
Either one is a co helper by THE SPIRIT to THE TRUTH that can save a man
or one is co helper , by means of another spirit to the Lie .
But it cannot be both . it is one or its the other .
When i give warning to the wicked and ye warn him not that he repent not
He will die in his sins but his blood i will require OF YOU .
And beleive me , inclusivism IS a lie .
The gospel of JESUS , IT IS THE TRUTH and it is THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION
unto HE who BELEIVES .
Seems to me like some sure do have a form of godliness , but sure are denying the POWER thereof ..........
Just like we were warned this would increase massive in the last hour .
IF epi repents not of HIC he will be held accountable for much blood .
For those who do preach the DIRE NECESSITY for to BELEIVE ON JESUS , now they DO The work of GOD indeed .
 

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My goodness I sure hope people stop and TEST this, turn it over and sound it thoroughly and look at it critically in light of how Jesus and the apostles preached/wrote, otherwise Epi will be responsible for souls falling away from the GOSPEL.
Please test this. Most believers have a utopian view of salvation..which appeals to the flesh. People see the free gift part of entering into a walk of faith, but negate the MERITOCRACY aspect whereby we reap as WE have sown.

With salvation comes a tragic view of the state of the church. We are NOT fulfilling the will of God. No more so than the Jews did.

Most people now only have beliefs based on a few verses taken out of context. But the issue is a proper balance that leads to sound doctrine. More than one thing can be true at the same time.

People will focus on the free gift...thinking that's the end of it. But we reap as WE have sown...meaning we might be saved but maybe unto shame and dishonour. It all depends on what we DO with what we have been given. Are we being perfected by the Spirit? Or are we adopting man-made religious platitudes that only deceive us?
 
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My goodness I sure hope people stop and TEST this, turn it over and sound it thoroughly and look at it critically in light of how Jesus and the apostles preached/wrote, otherwise Epi will be responsible for souls falling away from the GOSPEL.
What must we do to work the works of GOD .
JESUS said , THis is the work of GOD to BELEIVE ON HE whom GOD did send .
Inclusivism says , OH It dont matter if one believes or not , PICK up that cross and do thine works .
Someone is a liar . AND IT DARN SURE AINT JESUS THE CHRIST
it is the inclusive god who lies .
For just as he desired death to come upon man and thus lied to the woman
HE still desires their death and for them to remain in death and to go to second death .
And HIS sin was PRIDE
and his followers ARE FULL OF PRIDE as well . For it be the god in the mirror they do love above all .
 

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What must we do to work the works of GOD .
JESUS said , THis is the work of GOD to BELEIVE ON HE whom GOD did send .
Inclusivism says , OH It dont matter if one believes or not , PICK up that cross and do thine works .
Someone is a liar . AND IT DARN SURE AINT JESUS THE CHRIST
it is the inclusive god who lies .
For just as he desired death to come upon man and thus lied to the woman
HE still desires their death and for them to remain in death and to go to second death .
And HIS sin was PRIDE
and his followers ARE FULL OF PRIDE as well . For it be the god in the mirror they do love above all .
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Either one is a co helper by THE SPIRIT to THE TRUTH that can save a man
or one is co helper , by means of another spirit to the Lie .
But it cannot be both . it is one or its the other .
When i give warning to the wicked and ye warn him not that he repent not
He will die in his sins but his blood i will require OF YOU .
And beleive me , inclusivism IS a lie .
The gospel of JESUS , IT IS THE TRUTH and it is THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION
unto HE who BELEIVES .
Seems to me like some sure do have a form of godliness , but sure are denying the POWER thereof ..........
Just like we were warned this would increase massive in the last hour .
IF epi repents not of HIC he will be held accountable for much blood .
For those who do preach the DIRE NECESSITY for to BELEIVE ON JESUS , now they DO The work of GOD indeed .
@amigo de christo
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Jesus said if ye BELIEVE NOT ON ME ye shall DIE in your sins .
JESUS said without ME ye can do nothing .
Incluvism calls JESUS a LIAR . And indeed says SURE YE can pick up your own cross and attain salvation , WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS
The Christ of GOD . And just as the serpent sold his lie to eve
so too has incl usive ecumeincalsim sold its lie to many churches .
But the sheep follow , not the path of the first adam
but rather of the second adam WHO IS THE LORD and who by himself has done all to attain our salvation
whose faith be in HIM .
@amigo de christo
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What must we do to work the works of GOD .
JESUS said , THis is the work of GOD to BELEIVE ON HE whom GOD did send .
Inclusivism says , OH It dont matter if one believes or not , PICK up that cross and do thine works .
Someone is a liar . AND IT DARN SURE AINT JESUS THE CHRIST
it is the inclusive god who lies .
For just as he desired death to come upon man and thus lied to the woman
HE still desires their death and for them to remain in death and to go to second death .
And HIS sin was PRIDE
and his followers ARE FULL OF PRIDE as well . For it be the god in the mirror they do love above all .
Gen 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
 

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Gen 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
A subtle twist on what God actually said........so as to introduce a bit of confusion in the mind while he plants his seed. God is not the author of confusion.
 

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Gen 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
My sheep hear MY VOICE and the voice of a stranger they will not heed . JESUS the Christ of GOD the GLORIOUS shepard
of the sheep , Oh HE HAS HIS sheep . And a HIC they will NOT heed . For they POINT TO CHRIST .
 
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Rom.10:13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Who am I to refute what the scriptures say. To quote Smith Wigglesworth, "The Bible says it, I believe it."
If you are NOT DEAD, you have been saved.

What a nonsense.

Thrown into Outer Darkness is punishment, not salvation.

To speak with the famous words of Epi, you failed the 5 year old reading skills.
 

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Rom.10:13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Who am I to refute what the scriptures say. To quote Smith Wigglesworth, "The Bible says it, I believe it."
If you are NOT DEAD, you have been saved.

Now, back to my questions please.
AND JESUS IS LORD .
So try reminding folks of the dire necessity to BELEIVE on HIM . Oh thanks for the reminder .
 

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That's your opinion. But anyone that escapes the lake of fire is saved...even as by fire. Don't let a religious or human perspective stop you from getting the truth.

That's so weird, trillion x trillion x trillion of years living in outer darkness, weeping in agony, regrets, begging for mercy with no hope, that's punishment. A lesser punishment, still a punishment.
 

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That's so weird, trillion x trillion x trillion of years living in outer darkness, weeping in agony, regrets, begging for mercy with no hope, that's punishment. A lesser punishment, still a punishment.
There is a big ol fat elephant in the room my friend .
And do i mean a BIG ONE .
Any guesses on what it is .........
SOMEONE denies the DIRE NEED TO HAVE TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and sells us inclusive anti christ and a horse in the cart .
So few what to ADDRESS this elephant . No worries I WILL expose it and continue to do so .
ANY one who omits the FACT one MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS and hollers at those who DO say we must
THEY indeed are and have made themselves the enemy of GOD and of HIS gospel . And that b e a FACT jack .
 

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I agree with one thing you said: any true interpretation will be consistent with the whole counsel of God. But an interpretation can fit with biblical truth without actually being what a particular passage teaches. That is the issue I keep raising.

“We walk by faith, not by sight” does not mean we believe interpretations that cannot be demonstrated from the Word. Biblical faith rests on what God has revealed. “Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17).

And 1 Corinthians 2 does not teach that the Holy Spirit gives believers private symbolic meanings that are nowhere stated in Scripture. Paul is talking about truth God revealed by His Spirit and then communicated in words taught by the Spirit. The passage does not give us permission to assign meanings to Jordan, Canaan, fire, doorposts, servants, treasure, pearls, and then say those meanings are spiritually discerned.

In fact, Scripture already tells us what happened to the old man: “our old man is crucified with him” (Romans 6:6). Paul does not say the old man waits for some later Jordan-crossing experience to be crucified. The believer is united with Christ in His death and resurrection.

The same problem appears again when you say the Holy Spirit is the fire that burns up the old man on the altar, that the whole burnt offering represents complete surrender, and that crossing Jordan represents entire sanctification. Those are connections you are making. Where does Scripture actually assign those meanings?

Even Matthew 3 does not say, “The Holy Spirit is fire which burns up the believer’s old man.” John speaks of baptism “with the Holy Ghost, and with fire,” and the very next verse speaks of chaff being burned with unquenchable fire. You cannot simply take the word “fire,” attach it to sanctification, and then build a doctrine from it.

The rich young ruler does not prove your system either. Jesus did expose his attachment to possessions. But when the disciples asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus did not answer, “Those who surrender enough.” He said, “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26).

Christ absolutely calls us to deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Him. I am not denying surrender, obedience, sacrifice, or sanctification. I am denying that Scripture teaches the particular symbolic system you keep placing on these passages.

That distinction matters.

A devotional analogy may be interesting. A possible connection may even be useful. But once you say, “This is what Jordan means,” “this is what the fire means,” “this is what the pierced ear means,” or “this is what the treasure means,” you have moved from application to doctrine.

At that point the question is still the same: Where does Scripture say so?

“Spiritual discernment” is not a substitute for biblical proof. The Holy Spirit inspired the Word. He does not need us to add meanings to it that He never put there.
In A Description of the Qualifications Necessary to A Gospel Minister by Samuel Bownas 1750, (p6-7)he writes:

"For no man can be righteous and wicked at one time; we must first be brought out of the bondage of corruption under spiritual Pharoh and Egypt, into the wilderness, before we can offer acceptably unto God. This state is figuratively called a wilderness, a way we have not trod in, showing thereby the necessity of depending on our guide, our spiritual Moses, that must go before and take care of our support.

For in this wilderness state we have no food, no water, no right refreshment but what this leader provides and administers to us.

In this start we can neither pray, nor do any religious act without the direction of our leader, so far that we find the case is much altered with us to do what was in time past. For then, we could pray, sing, preach and perform other religious duties in our own time, feeding and satisfying ourselves therewith, but now we are brought into the wilderness, where there is neither ploughing nor sowing.

We can't help ourselves by our own contrivance and workings of our own wills but here we must live a life of faith wholly dependant on Him that will (if we faint not in our minds) bring us through to the heavenly Cannan. Thus we will come in the Lord's time to experience the substance of those types and figures under that legal dispensation to be substantially and spiritually fulfilled in our own minds by the operation of the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ, the substance and foundation of all true religion and ministry that is really profitable to the hearers."

Not all believers are trained in this way for the true ministry.
 

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What a nonsense.

Thrown into Outer Darkness is punishment, not salvation.

To speak with the famous words of Epi, you failed the 5 year old reading skills.
I agree that to my human understanding it doesn’t seem saved to me. But there could be things we don’t understand about it. Maybe some escape it after receiving stripes. Maybe some come out after they have payed the last farthing like in the parable.