Eisegesis - Reading in to scripture things the scripture is not actually saying.
Such as the belief that the New Testament requires Christians to keep Saturday sabbath in order to be saved.
That might be how them rednecks speak in tongues!
SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY
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Eisegesis - Reading in to scripture things the scripture is not actually saying.
Such as the belief that the New Testament requires Christians to keep Saturday sabbath in order to be saved.
That might be how them rednecks speak in tongues!
If it is, then 'em thar rednecks ain't filled with the
Holy Ghost !
BarneyFife
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Yep, we know some rednecks ain't got that Holy Ghost cause we
know the Holy Ghost ain't leadin nobody to marry their step sister!
Oh man, say it ain't so!
They don't have rednecks these days that have turned... funny, have they?
They don't have rednecks these days that have turned... funny, have they?
Keiw
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Yes, i believe one can be in a saved position, but must endure until their end to get actually saved. They can fall and lose their saved position. Similar to like Solomon who fell to fall God worship near the end of his life, the bible says, at that point in time Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived( prior to his fall). Any can say--i can stand, like Peter who witnessed miracle after miracle assured Jesus he would stand prior to him denying Jesus 3 x out of fear of men. Peter stood back up quickly and became strong once seeing Jesus risen. I don't know how some religions teach--once saved always saved.
Exodus 32:33--Ones name can be taken back out of Gods book of life.
GracePeace
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That is basically my line of reasoning--the other side does well to trust God as Savior, but, in the process, they also discount and wave away certain doctrines of that same God, which thing I see as being completely unreasonable and unjustifiable. I've spoken with many of them at length, and they have no ability to defend or justify their ahistorical sub-Scriptural ignorance, yet they have no interest in these truths we refer to. I do not say they are condemned, but I do not understand how they have no fear in doing what they do (ie, lying).
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GracePeace
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@Keiw See "Abiding In Christ Necessary For Eternal Life"
They brought their arguments--a singular one of the users on their side, who chimed in toward the end of the discussion, was actually respectful, but the rest were not--and, by the end, because they could not defend their ignorance in the face of Scripture, all they could do was emptily and falsely accuse me of "reprobation". They have no substance to their arguments--their views are ahistorical, incoherent, but they don't even care. Sad.
BarneyFife
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GracePeace
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It becomes apparent that it is "preconceived" as you read Scripture and you discover it doesn't fit in with the totality of what is being said.
BarneyFife
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That might be a little too generalized to be entirely practical. What if a "preconceived idea" is said tot be something that, as it turns out, one has arrived at after many years of studying Scripture?
You see what I mean?
Where's the hinge point between preconception and true Scriptural revelation on a personal basis?
It's so easy to throw terms around.
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GracePeace
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You may arrive at an error without it being "preconceived", but that just means there are different sorts of errors.
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If I may add,
2 Timothy 2:14-20
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved of God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
Preception should be based solely on the word of God and is PERSONAL. God's word is universal, to every man that will receive & believe !
Paul said, 2 Timothy 4:2 PREACH THE WORD; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Peter said,1 Peter 3:15-17
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the HOPE that is in you with meekness and fear: having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
BarneyFife
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It is practically impossible for perception to be based solely on the word of God.
For most all of us, everything sounds good while we're quoting Scripture, but as soon as we start interpreting and commenting, it just falls flat.
And in the end, it just sounds like we're pretty much telling each other to shut up.
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GracePeace
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I really prefer to just follow the words in Scripture, and, if people want to help me understand it better, have them correct me to improve me. It happens only rarely that people are respectful that way. Everyone needs help sometime--if someone sees I need help, let them help, but they're mostly arrogant and angry (not to mention wrong).
Once, someone corrected me about the "prophet" from Crete Paul refers to--I thought he was denouncing something a Jewish believer "prophet" had said, but he was AGREEING with what a PAGAN "prophet" from Crete had said! Lol! I was thankful for that correction! I'd love more correction!
per·cep·tion noun
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses
per·son·al of, affecting, or belonging to a particular person rather than to anyone else.
IF it is impossible for our personal spiritual perception to be based soley on God's words, somebody has failed or is failing !
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses
per·son·al of, affecting, or belonging to a particular person rather than to anyone else.
IF it is impossible for our personal spiritual perception to be based soley on God's words, somebody has failed or is failing !
BarneyFife
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It's awfully hard tot tell what people's threshold of respectfulness is.
For some, all you have to do to make them angry is to say something they don't agree with to someone else entirely.
To be fair, in our brief acquaintance, I haven't known you to be like that. :)
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GracePeace
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I mean, let them come alongside, and explain the Scripture in a better way for me to help me, and if I have objections, or concerns ("How come it doesn't seem to make sense with this over here?"), then explain things so that I have nothing to be concerned about.
Thanks
BarneyFife
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