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  1. Christophany

    Christophany Well-Known Member

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    duh it fell read about it sometime
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Jesus will ultimately be your judge; and if you are not saved, no amount of your quoting scriptures on eternal security is going to change His mind about where you are going.

    yes, everyone who disagrees with you is twisting the truth, @Christophany.
     
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    Christophany Well-Known Member

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    James 1:22-25
    Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.

    James 3
    3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

    3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

    7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

    9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

    Two Kinds of Wisdom
    13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

    17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness
     
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    Blood Bought 1953 Well-Known Member

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    Ho-Hum, here we go again.......The Following verse blows this Hog-Wash out of the water AND the Pig Pen ....only an insane person would try to argue against it.....it can’t be done......
    John 5:24...... “ They will NEVER be condemned for their Sins, but they have ALREADY passed from Death onto Life and will NEVER come under Condemnation.....”
    Who is the “ they? “ All Of Those That Hear My Word, and BELIEVES in the One that sent me.....”

    Any Fools out there that want to argue that this one, single verse does not GUARANTEE OSAS is a Fact— please step forward—- feel free to show an on-looking world your insanity and Call your Savior a Liar....
     
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    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    I’m opting for a respectful approach, no matter who you’re talking to or what they believe.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    It is qualified by the definition of faith.

    If you compare 1 John 5:1 w/ 1 John 3:9, I believe that you will see that believing means that you will be living a holy life.

    If you do not live a holy life, you ought to question as to whether you have genuine faith (see 2 Corinthians 13:5)...

    and,

    Rom 11:20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
    Rom 11:21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
    Rom 11:22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
     
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    Your “ holiness “ is a joke.....

    You ADD to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing with your so-called personal “ Holy- Living” FALSE GOSPEL ....a Perverted Gospel ...
    Are you aware of what God does to those that TEACH false Gospels ?Read Galatians 1:8.... He damns them....
    If you Add to the Gospel Of Grace ( 1cor 15:1) and do not REST in it ....that’s bad enough....you “ Fall from Grace”.To “ fall” from the very thing that SAVES you—- GRACE—— has to be a very dangerous thing to do.Some say it means a loss of Salvation.Others disagree .
    Here is where there is NO disagreement......if you TEACH That False Gospel That causes others to Fall.....YOU are “ “ Accursed”....
    Read the Book Of Galatians....its only 6 Chapters.....then convince me I am wrong.If I am Correct, pray that God open your eyes to the lives and Faith- Walks you are Ruining.....
    Newbies please take note.....If you can’t Trust the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ,Given to Paul by Jesus personally, at least keep it to yourself lest you put your Salvation In jeopardy...Adding to it to offer up your “ OWN” Righteousness in addition to Christ’s Righteousness May have already Sealed that Deal ...
    Paul teaches that Judgement Day should not be a big Mystery.Paul says that God will Judge by “ His Gospel ( meaning Paul’s Gospel Of 1 Cor 15:1-4 ) .....make SURE you can answer God Properly On that Day when He asks, “ What did you Do about My Gospel ?” You had better say, “I RESTED in it for my Salvation....”

    I neglected to touch upon your even MORE “ Accursed” gospel of Lucky Repentance.....Perhaps we will discuss that later.....
     
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    Jesus speaking:

    Revelation 3
    [4] Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
    [5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    If your Salvation is always secure, why would Jesus make the statement "and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life"? Your name must first be written in the book of life in order for it to be blotted out. OSAS is false doctrine. It also comforts those who are not obeying the Lord, whether fully or slightly. Truth is, you can't keep on living in a cesspool of sin and expect eternal life.
     
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    Revelation 3:5
    And I will not blot out his name out of the book of life; by which is meant the choice of persons to everlasting life and salvation; and this being signified by a book, and by writing names in it, shows the exact knowledge God has of his elect, the value he has for them, his remembrance of them, his love to them, and care for them; and that this election is of particular persons by name, and is sure and certain; for those whose names are written in it shall never be blotted out, they will always remain in the number of God's elect, and can never become reprobates, or shall ever perish; because of the unchangeableness of the nature and love of God, the firmness of his purposes, the omnipotence of his arm, the death and intercession of Christ for them, their union to him, and being in him, the impossibility of their seduction by false teachers, and the security of their persons, grace, and glory in Christ, and in whose keeping this book of life is; which respects not this temporal life, that belongs to the book of providence, but a spiritual and eternal life, from whence it has its name,

    But I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels; which shows that Christ has an exact and perfect knowledge of all the chosen ones, he knows them by name; and that he has a strong and affectionate love for them, and is not ashamed of them, of their cause, of their persons, and of their relation to him; and that he does and will own, acknowledge, and approve of them, both here and hereafter: and the confession he will make of them will be in their praise; in praise of their persons and the comeliness of them, which he has put upon them; and of their graces, though they are his own; and of their good works as the fruits of grace: and this will be made before his Father, who chose these persons, and gave them to him to preserve and save; and before the angels, who rejoice at their salvation and happiness; and this will be at the last day; gill

    hope this helps !!!
     
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    It helps no one. You're spewing the devil's dung. OSAS is a lie from hell.

    Ezekiel 33
    [12] Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
     
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    the doctrine of demons declares a believer sins once and receives eternal punishment in hell.

    what a false christ you serve. what a satanic LIE.

    the same self righteousness of the Pharisees Jesus CONDEMNED in Matthew 23

    Jesus said of them you are of your father the devil and do his work in John 8 , a liar and the father of lies.

    Jesus died for sin once and for all.

    hope this helps !!!
     
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    I do not advocate that if one willfully sins that there is no way to return to the Lord. Contrariwise, repent, and go on to maturity in the Lord, resisting Satan when he tempts you with sin.

    James 4
    [7] Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
    [8] Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
    [9] Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
    [10] Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
     
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    lets see Peter below

    1- he denied Jesus 3 times
    2- he ran from those who said he knew Jesus denying his relationship with Jesus
    3- he lived a hypocritical life with the Jews and Gentiles after Pentecost
    4- Paul confronts him to his face for being a hypocrite
    5- Peter was a stumbling block for the weaker brother Barnabas and caused him to fall into sin as a hypocrite
    6- Peter forced the gentiles with him to participate in his hypocrisy

    So according to your heretical teaching the Apostle Peter was not saved, lost his salvation and if he died was going to hell before Paul confronted Him with his sin.

    hope this helps !!!
     
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    Read again.

    "I do not advocate that if one willfully sins that there is no way to return to the Lord. Contrariwise, repent, and go on to maturity in the Lord, resisting Satan when he tempts you with sin."

    Peter turned from sin, and taught holiness.

    1 Peter 1
    [13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
    [14] As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
    [15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
    [16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
     
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    No argument with you, but for the sake of other readers here consider this...

    Do you suppose the apparent winning of an argument with another man standing on either side of an issue will ultimately matter to God? The translation cited does seem to add to and change the meanings of some words. Here are some other versions of that verse:

    "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:24 [KJV]

    "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life." John 5:24 [Standard Version]

    "Verily, verily, I say to you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but hath passed from death to life." John 5:24 [Webster's]

    "`Verily, verily, I say to you -- He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life." John 5:24 [Young's Literal]

    What will matter with God is the heart of the man rather than the knowledge of his brain. Will not the heart that pleases God be the one that follows always the leading of the Holy Spirit rather the logic of the best brains of men?

    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:1

    How does a person get into Christ Jesus and walk according to the Spirit? What does he do if he cannot read at all? I met man like that once, a man completely illiterate in his native language and therefore he had never read a Bible.. but he loved God!
     
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    Abraham believed God.

    and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

    Noah found Grace because Noah believed God.

    You have to believe to recieve.

    Once you believe then comes faith.. God gives you faith if you believe.
    Believe and ye shall recieve.

    All this Sadducee and Pharisee ping pong is rather draining...

    Hugs
     
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    Good thing I'm not preaching a false gospel then...

    In Galatians 5:16-24 it should tell you what you need to know.
     
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    Typically out of context ....keep reading the following chapters....” Brothers, If a man be OVERTAKEN in a SIN.....treat him gently —- YOU might be NEXT to get caught up in Sin! “ Saved Believers sometimes give sway to Sinful Desires.....the very ones that Paul mentioned....
     
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    Good thing I'm not preaching a false gospel then..

    You preach a False Gospel because you preach the Damnable Heresy Of “Lucky Repentance”—— one must have the Luck to remember and ask for forgiveness for ALL your sins before you die or you go to Hell
    Funny thing , I never saw that mentioned in 1Cor 15:1-4..... it must have been added .....preach additions to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace and you are “ Accursed” .....damned by God Forever
    Please explain to an on- looking World how you are not adding to the Gospel.....
     
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    [5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    If one Believes the Gospel That Saves If Simply Believed ( 1cor15:1-4) , that person is an “ overcomer”.......
    Jesus said, “ If you confess ME before men, I will confess YOU before My Father”
     
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