Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[Grailhunter]

No, not the real thing, as a testimony cannot be copyrighted. But your cites are copyrighted inventions of men who claim ownership over their inventions.

I have copy and scripture

 

[Grailhunter]

Of course not. The sons of God had already done their dirty work. Now the debris of their deeds moves through to the next generation i.e. the giants on earth.

Scripture references to their dirty work please.....

 

[Grailhunter]

The "Sons of Elohim" saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took them wives of all that they chose. It appears that the women had little say in the matter. The domineering implication hardly suggests a godly approach to the union. Even the mention that they saw that they were attractive seems out of place if only normal biology was involved. (And were the daughters of Seth so unattractive?)

And "ugly" to you may not mean "ugly" to the sons of God; it was all new to them. They were privy to the entire scene whereby God had created earthly woman.

Already addressed this.

 

[Grailhunter]

God executed all living except for Noah's 8.

Not so sure it got rid of the giants, they are still around after the flood.

 

[Grailhunter]

Some angels rebelled against God, left their first estate and mated with earthly women. These women then gave birth to "hybrids" that grew to be of large stature aka "giants." There are 36 tribes of giants mentioned in the Holy Bible (you didn't hear that from your hireling pastors). The giants interbred with everything in sight, including animals. The giants were also cannibalistic. This is the key to prophecy, the reason why God executed the entire planet via the flood, except for Noah's eight (because his generation was perfect i.e. was not interbred with the giants).

The Nephilim are not the giants, but the giants are Nephilim-related. After the flood, the disembodied spirits of the giants remained, which is one reason why we are told that the woman is to have power on her head, because of the fallen angels and the possibility that these malevolent creatures may again desire to revisit our women for a repeat episode (1 Cor. 11:10). The disembodied spirits of the giants are what we refer to as devils or demons; they are not eligible for salvation; they remain in the air about us everywhere; and they seek physical embodiment in us in order to act out their wicked nature.

Do you think that the sons of God came back and made more giants?
Look my over all point is that there is not enough scriptures to come to a definite conclusion.
And what that means is that I certainly do not want to debate something that cannot be scripturally proven.
Like I said, a lot of assumptions and speculations. So believe what you want.

 

[doctrox]

Not so sure it got rid of the giants, they are still around after the flood.

Agreed, but we are told about that, as well:

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that... (Gen. 6:4)

I have copy and scripture

It's best to post the uncopyrighted word, as there are many snares intentionally set (by copyright holders) for folks like you and me.

Scripture references to their dirty work please.....

Gen. 6

Do you think that the sons of God came back and made more giants?

God confined a portion of the disobedient fallen angels, not all of them.

Bottom line: There is no question we will see an in-your-face, out-in-the-open repeat of the Gen. 6 episode. Why? Because the word of God says so:

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mat. 24 37-39)

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:26-30)

 

[Grailhunter]

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that... (Gen. 6:4)

This does not say after the flood.

It's best to post the uncopyrighted word, as there are many snares intentionally set (by copyright holders) for folks like you and me.

Now you are irritating me. Scripture is scripture wheather I type it in or copy paste. It all the same. If you are going to be silly go away.

 

[Grailhunter]

Agreed, but we are told about that, as well:

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that... (Gen. 6:4)


It's best to post the uncopyrighted word, as there are many snares intentionally set (by copyright holders) for folks like you and me.


Gen. 6


God confined a portion of the disobedient fallen angels, not all of them.

Bottom line: There is no question we will see an in-your-face, out-in-the-open repeat of the Gen. 6 episode. Why? Because the word of God says so:

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mat. 24 37-39)

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:26-30)

This does not say that the sons of God will marry women again.

 

[doctrox]

[Gen. 6:4] This does not say after the flood.

It says: ...and also after that.

v.4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,

Scripture is scripture wheather I type it in or copy paste.

A misunderstanding. I was not referring to cutting and pasting; I was referring to the use of something other than the Holy Bible i.e. copyrighted versions. I don't use copyrighted versions because they have been changed/altered for copyright purposes, in accordance with derivative copyright law.

This does not say that the sons of God will marry women again.

Correct; it does not. But that's not the point. When the disciples asked Jesus about the timing of his return, Jesus compared the time of his return to the time of Noah, when giants walked the earth:

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mat. 24 37-39)

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:26-30)

Look my over all point is that there is not enough scriptures to come to a definite conclusion.

There is MUCH scripture, if one is only willing to seek with an open mind (e.g. 845 references to giants in the Holy Bible).

And what that means is that I certainly do not want to debate something that cannot be scripturally proven.

Not only do I believe this is the truth, but I have had dealings with more than one of these creatures - disembodied spirits of the giants (deliverance ministry).

Like I said, a lot of assumptions and speculations. So believe what you want.

I did not post a single assumption or speculation; I posted scripture. If I have a speculation to post, I will state it as such.

 

[Grailhunter]

Correct; it does not. But that's not the point. When the disciples asked Jesus about the timing of his return, Jesus compared the time of his return to the time of Noah, when giants walked the earth:

I don't think that Yeshua said "when giant walked the earth"
Scripture please.....

 

[Grailhunter]

There is MUCH scripture, if one is only willing to seek with an open mind.

I think you mean your imagination, assumptions and speculation.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not only do I believe this is the truth, but I have had dealings with more than one of these creatures - disembodied spirits of the giants (deliverance ministry).

WOW

 

[Grailhunter]

I did not post a single assumption or speculation; I posted scripture. If I have a speculation to post, I will state it as such

Of course but nothing to support that the offspring of the sons of God were giants, or that it was wrong, or the God disapproved, or what the mighty men did to be described as mighty men of renown.

 

[doctrox]

don't think that Yeshua said "when giant walked the earth"
Scripture please.....

For one, we have 845 references to giants in the Holy Bible...

What does scripture tell us as to the reason why Noah was told to build the ark?

I think you mean your imagination, assumptions and speculation.

No, with prayer to God. He gives liberally to all who ask. He also says many do not receive because they do not ask.

WOW

It's not a big deal. It's what most folks refer to as demons (more properly, they are devils, as per scripture).

the offspring of the sons of God were giants,

The most widely held traditional view (also supported by Jewish tradition and the Book of Enoch) is that "sons of God" refers to fallen angels or divine beings. Their union with human women produced these legendary hybrid giants.

Of course but nothing to support that the offspring of the sons of God were giants,

The Hebrew word Nephilim literally translates to "the fallen ones" or "the fallen ones who cause others to fall". Later in the Bible, in Numbers 13:33, Israelite spies report seeing descendants of these giants in Canaan, making them out to be so massive that the spies felt like "grasshoppers" in comparison.

or that it was wrong, or the God disapproved, or what the mighty men did to be described as mighty men of renown.

The men of renown in Genesis 6 exalted themselves as powerful leaders of the people, but in the end, they were brought down.

 

[Grailhunter]

For one, we have 845 references to giants in the Holy Bible..

Yes before and after the event of the sons of God.

 

[Grailhunter]

What does scripture tell us as to the reason why Noah was told to build the ark?

I want you to find the scripture that says Noah built the Ark because of the giants

 

[Grailhunter]

The most widely held traditional view (also supported by Jewish tradition and the Book of Enoch) is that "sons of God" refers to fallen angels or divine beings. Their union with human women produced these legendary hybrid giants.

I do agree a lot of people believe that.
But I believe scripture.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Hebrew word Nephilim literally translates to "the fallen ones" or "the fallen ones who cause others to fall". Later in the Bible, in Numbers 13:33, Israelite spies report seeing descendants of these giants in Canaan, making them out to be so massive that the spies felt like "grasshoppers" in comparison.

Nephilim: Giants
Original Word: נְפִיל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: nphiyl
Pronunciation: neh-fee-LEEM
Phonetic Spelling: (nef-eel')
KJV: giant
NASB: Nephilim
Word Origin: [from H5307 (נָפַל - fall)]

1. (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
giant
Or nphil {nef-eel'}; from naphal; properly, a feller, i.e. A bully or tyrant -- giant.
Some believe that "to fall" means killers.

 

[Grailhunter]

The men of renown in Genesis 6 exalted themselves as powerful leaders of the people, but in the end, they were brought down.

Scripture that says they exalted themselves as powerful leaders please

 

[doctrox]

I want you to find the scripture that says Noah built the Ark because of the giants

The Bible does not state that Noah built the ark specifically to escape giants. However, the mention of giants (Nephilim) appears in the immediate context of the story in Genesis 6.

Scripture that says they exalted themselves as powerful leaders please

v. 4: "men of renown" = through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character; famous.