Arnie Manitoba said:
It could happen I suppose ..... but I still think the AC comes to deceive the un-saved.
One reason I feel that way is that the bible says God will pour out a delusion so that people who do not love the truth will REALLY believe in the lie.
As Christians we have the truth ..... we do not believe the lie
Certainly some Christians can be deceived at times but the purposes of the AC are directed to the ungodly in the world
I think it is proper to say that there is a "huge" grey area right now where sometimes it can be hard to determine who really is christian and who are not really christian ....... during the end times I think the grey area disappears and everything is clearly defined by the great delusion God sends to the ungodly.
I must confess that a lot of TV preachers concern me greatly ..... even guys like Osteen ..... he is almost too nice .... to pleasant ..... seems fake to me ...... his perfect face looks like a mask covering something .... anyone else notice that ??
Yes, they will believe a horrendous lie. But if Satan comes as Jesus, trying to mimic the glory of Jesus, don't you think even atheists would fall at their feet? What's more, Satan could easily turn to them, tell them he's Jesus, and then pronounce a blessing on them. Remember, he's been misleading them during their lives. He knows the questions they want answered, and with his deception he can give misleading answers to everything, that way they have faith in him, and not Jesus.
Actually some Christians may fall for the lie. It's supposed to be such a strong deception, it could deceive the elect (if that were possible). Some don't realize the manner of the Second Coming which Jesus gave. Every eye shall see Him. He shall not come on earth randomly, and start blessing people, and teaching the great truths, while claiming things against the holy 10 Commandments, understand what I'm saying?
Yes, there is a huge grey area. That's why we are to labour for all Christians. We shall certainly know whose a Christian much closer to the end, when the line is drawn, those for God, and those for the rebellious leader.
TV Preachers are a mystery, you have to think really hard while they are preaching, and look at the Word of God. They aren't TV preachers for no reason.
terry said:
If 666 is the number of a kingdom as you think, then what is Satan's number?
When ever the Bible uses the word Beast, is it referring to kingdoms or just
the one extra time you want? Why not all of them ( everytime in Scripture it says " beast " ) just because it says the 7 are?
Is 666 the number of a Kingdom? yes/no? yes..but = no no..but = yes
Is 666 the number of Satan? yes/no? yes..but = no no..but = yes
Is Satan the man whose number is 666? yes/no? yes..but = no no..but = yes
If you wish to see... answer the above questions honestly.; Yes, it is a trap.
For if you answer them honestly, you are on my side. Now exactly why did you wlude them?
By the way... and again... Where does it say... the 8th Beast is a kingdom? it does not, of course.
Your claim always asks where does it say Beast=man... but we are not debating that. We are debating where does it say... 8th Beast=man or 8th Beast=kingdom. of which it says neither specifically,
I know you understand my points.. you are just being elusive as it destroys your understanding of the beasts.
Now, the Two Witnesses will be revealing the Beast and that Beast will be 666 and an individual and a man ( or man like appearance and i do not mean " image " - as I am unsure if someone would want to debate whether Satan could be classified as a "man" ).
Well, if 666 is the number of the kingdom, which is the number of a man in that kingdom, this doesn't mean that Satan's number cannot also be 666. Many peoples names can add up to 666. However, in this kingdom, a significant man has the number of 666. And 666 is this kingdoms number.
Terry, 7 times it meant kingdom. Am I supposed to automatically assume the 8th time it doesn't mean kingdom? We are told specifically in one area that the 4th Beast is a kingdom. This logic of a beast is then applied everywhere else, not just in one place, and no where else. So yes, the 8th Beast follows the same logic that it is a kingdom.
Now, your questions do not get me to side with you. Yes ,I answered them honestly, to the best of my knowledge. However, your conclusion upon those answers is misleading. All that shows is similarities between the beast and Satan. That does not make beast to mean Satan. It's like when people show you similarities between certain kingdoms in prophecy. Does that mean both Kingdoms are one in that prophecy? No. Just because they have seeds, and are fruits, doesn't mean they are all apples.
Satan is defined in revelation already as something else:
Revelation 12:9 And the
great dragon was cast out, that
old serpent,
called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
A dragon in Revelation is Satan.
You're right, specifically you will not find that definition. However, will you find the implied definition used throughout the Bible elsewhere?
Yes. I used the implied definition, where it says a beast is a kingdom.
Not talking about the two witnesses.
Terry, beast = kingdom, not a man. There are many beasts in prophecy, which talk about the deeds of the people in their kingdom. Like Alexander the Great, in the 3rd Beast. Is Alexander the 3rd Beast?
No. Does the 3rd Beast have a man which goes about destroying kingdoms wonderfully? Yes. Does that make the man the beast? No, that makes the man, a horn. Likewise, does the man with the number 666 mean that a beast is a man?
No. It is simply another man, being described within this kingdom.
I have not been elusive. Terry, me understanding your points, does not mean it is Biblical. I have answered your assertions, by showing you that:
1) You are applying different reasoning to the final beast.
2) You cannot show me where scripture makes a beast a man --
ever. It makes a beast a kingdom.
Inconsistent reasoning, and inconsistent defintions of prophetic symbols.