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Satan's power

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by H. Richard, Sep 26, 2019.

  1. H. Richard

    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    Eph 2:2
    2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
    NKJV

    Satan is the power of the air. Is the media controlled by Satan?

    2 Thess 2:11
    11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
    NKJV

    Some people can not tell the difference in what the media tells them. IMHO the lies in the media are put there by those who are controlled by Satan.
     
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    Satan is a defeated foe.

    Gen 3:14, And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
    Gen 3:15, And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
     
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    well you said it in your OP, "and for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie" one don't need a news media to believe a lie. but in step with your topic, we suggest this. James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." give yoursel to the true media, (the bible), for light will cast out darkness.
    PICJAG.
     
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    David Taylor Active Member

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    Parts yes, but the power of the air has nothing to do with modern day media. That is a horrible hermeneutic.
     
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    Have you ever spoken a word only to have it heard differently by someone else?

    There is a song on the radio where the singer says, "Faith is rising tonight"

    But I keep hearing it as "Satan is rising tonight."

    Eerie how the prince of the power of the air exerts his influence.
     
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    David Taylor Active Member

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    What does that have to do with my rebuke of the Hermeneutic employed by the OP?
     
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    Probably nothing; I was just making a comment on what it means that the devil is the prince of the power of the air.
     
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    Ok, but that is not what it means. It has nothing to do with the media today in that verse. It couldn't possibly since today's media did not exist.
     
  9. Jay Ross

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    But Satan influence still exists today. It has not changed, but the communication methods of his influence may very well have changed. Consider, for example, demonic flash mobs that mysteriously seem to materialise today to protest against God and His End Time plans.
     
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    David Taylor Active Member

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    That doesn't change the fact that is not what "Prince of the power of the air" means. You have to look at historical context.
     
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    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    Your response is rather vague with a hint that you know the answer but it seems you are unwilling to provide it. If instead you had provided the "historical context," in your response then it would have helped greatly to further the discussion.
     
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    Should you be pulling that 2 Thess.2:11 verse out of its chapter context and applying it to something else? Doing that doesn't really help anyone, but just spreads more confusion of what that verse is really about.
     
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    Satan really has no power of his own. He only has what power God has given him.

    Hollywood and New Agers don't have a clue about Satan's purpose for this present world. In some cases they try to show Satan is equal with our Heavenly Father (which is an old idea from Zoroastrianism).

    In Isaiah 10, God uses the historical king of Assyria as a type for Satan.

    Isa 10:5-6
    5 O Assyrian,
    the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation.

    6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
    KJV


    God is using the Assyrian (i.e., Satan) as His punishing rod. That is how we are to understand Satan's power God has given him to work.


    This shows emphatically how God uses the title of the Assyrian as a type for Satan:

    Isa 30:30-33
    30 And the LORD shall cause His glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of His arm, with the indignation of His anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.

    31
    For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

    32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.

    33
    For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; He hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
    KJV


    Tophet is about the Valley of Hinnom, a valley southeast of Jerusalem where Judah in a fallen worship state sacrificed their children in the fire to the false god Moloch. And thus it became a perpetual burning garbage pit outside the walls of Jerusalem. Our Lord Jesus referred to it, geena in the Greek put for Hinnom. It is symbolic for the future "lake of fire" of Rev.20.

    The main point to recognize in the above Scripture is that God (through Isaiah) is showing how "the Assyrian" is already judged and sentenced to that burning Tophet of the future. Thing is, God does not judge and sentence any flesh born man to the future "lake of fire" until the Great Day of His Judgment, which will only happen after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. By this we know our Heavenly Father is not talking about the historical flesh kings of Assyria here. He is talking about Satan who is... already judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" event (Matthew 25:41). Thus here, in these above Isaiah 30 verses, God is pointing directly to Satan with "the Assyrian" title as a type.

    In the previous Isaiah 10 example, remember God called the Assyrian "the rod of Mine anger". It means God is using Satan as a punishing rod upon even His Own people when they rebel against Him. We should see His purpose for Satan today as being no different upon those who rebel against God. Thus we are not to fear him.
     
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    Jay I am a teacher. I will never just give the answer if the student has not shown that they have at least tried to do it correctly. Now, if you want to know what historical context means then ask and I will help. But do some research. Study to show thyself approved.
     
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    David, I know what historical context is, but you posted that we should consider the historical context of the verses in question, but did not elaborate as to the historical context that you were attempting to point to.

    In other words your post did not add to the conversation. However it told us a lot about you, just like your response to me.
     
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