satans seed

[savedbygrace57]

Gen 3:14And the LORD God said unto the serpent[satan or the devil], Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heelThis is very interesting, for what God said should be taken very seriously, and that is that the serpent had a seed..Now for that to be true, He [satan] was a Father..which Jesus affirms for us in jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devilWhat this means, is that satan or the devil had within him a posterity, a generation, a offspring as the word father and seed imply..Lets look at the definition of seed as in gen 3 15its the word zera and means:offspring, descendants, posterity, childrenNow lets look at the word father as in jn 8 44 as jesus calls the devil:Its the word pater and means:a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and Davidgenerator or male ancestorNow, how did satan become a father or the possesor of a seed or ancestory ? Was it because he had sex with eve ? No..It was because God said so..God said He , satan has a seed, a prodigy, and that settles it..Just like when God told abraham he has a prodigy, a seed, that settled it..But here is the kicker, if satan as adam had a seed, in the beginning, then each father, when acting, when they sinned, did not do it as private entities, but by Gods decree, all whom they represented [their respective seed in them] sinned as well..Thats just how God designed it folks, cant argue it, cant debate it, its a done deal..We know that adam sinned in the beginning, and we have clear scripture testimony that the devil sinned from the beginning 1 jn 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginningNow wether or not this sin of the devil was causing adam and eve to sin,or, a form of mureder, or if its referring to an earlier sin, perhaps when he was kicked out of heaven, nevertheless, he had a seed for whom he represented..and it was not the other angels who fell with him, but this seed was in him, as the elect seed was in adam..Now, whomever God constitutes as sinning in the devil, that person will never be forgiven as their father will not be forgiven..Jesus christ did not love or die for the devil, hence nor his seed..because God sees them as one..see jn 6 70But Jesus christ both loved and died for adam and his seed, whom eve was out of him, and this pictured, adam and eve, his Love for the church eph 5:31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. you see, satan and his seed, didnt prefigure Gods Love to the church, but adam and eve did..big difference wouldnt you say ? Now whomever God constitutes as sinning in adam, they will be forgiven and will recieve the remission of sins..Next we will look at a very important sequence in isa 53:12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.__________________

 

[Brother Mike]

There is already a thread on this. I agree with you and gave some other points. Like Gen 4:1 where Eva had sex with Adam and that gave them Cain. Jesus Is Lord

 

[savedbygrace57]

There is already a thread on this. I agree with you and gave some other points. Like Gen 4:1 where Eva had sex with Adam and that gave them Cain. Jesus Is Lord

That is correct, that should squash the lies of eve had sex with the snake and all that foolishness and speculation..for its simple, the devils progeny gets into the world through simple human intercourse between a man and women..

 

[HammerStone]

Simply because Eve states that she has a child from God does not mean that it is so. So many folks rely on this assumption; just want to remind them that Satan's words are in the Bible as well, do we rely on those as truth?I've seen Cain's name translated two ways -- as a "possession" or "spear" -- the connotations of either suggest the same. Seed is a pretty specific word.

Revelation 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Cain is not in Adam's line for a reason. Hiding behind blind faith won't work when God clearly explains it to us.

 

[savedbygrace57]

swamp says

Cain is not in Adam's line for a reason.

Yes, because He was not a Son of God, but of the devil.. Adams geneology records the sons of God lk 3: 38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 

[savedbygrace57]

jn 8: 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. These words are very instructive from the lips of my blessed Saviour, For He reckons the devil as an Father, others deny it, but Jesus confirms it, and surely he knew what He was speaking about, and stated it in the plainest of speech.. Then He points out to these jews [ethnic jews] that their father [the devil] was a murderer from the beginning [of time] and a liar who abode not in the Truth. Now lets think for a minute here ! Was the devil then in the beginning a Father ? The answer would be yes, because His fatherhood was contingent upon Him having in Him a offspring, which could only have been by Divine Appointment and not because of something He did.. It was as this entity, a Father of progeny in Him, that He acted the murderer and liar that He was, for it was not those actions of his that made him a father, but acts he did as a father of a offspring, of which had not yet been manifested [ the offspring].. And so it was as this Father [ of an offspring in him] that he approached eve, who was under the authority and headship of adam..gen 3: 1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Now in vs 1 When the serpent [ the devil or satan] began His craftiness with eve, He already was a Father in the beginning, and he was already a fallen creature, having not abode in the Truth, which perhaps is alluded to here: 2 pet 2: 4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Jude 1: 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. The Non elect Angels.. Now if satan was a fallen creature and a father before He tempted and caused the fall, sin, transgression of Adam and eve, then up to that point, the world was not in alienation from God, and not in need of reconciliation, simply because man [Adam] had not yet sinned.. Note: The world didn't loose its fellowship with God, because of satans sin, but the world lost its fellowship with God, when the Man Adam sinned: romans 5: 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: not by one angel or satan did sin enter the world, but by one man, Adam.. Though satan was in the world obviously at the same time of Adam, yet God had not constituted the world in sin, because of satans sin..but not until Adam sinned, which was instigated of course by satan.. This point is extremely important, because when properly understood, the world did not need reconciliation until Adam sinned, which means, that reconciliation is reciprocated of only those who sinned in Adam, and not those who previously sinned in their Father the devil..

 

[savedbygrace57]

The Devil and Adam in the beginning were Two separate Fathers, of Two different offspring in them..The both of them by the Sovereignty of God had been constituted the Head of a offspring..This is why Jesus said to the jew in jn 8 44, ye are of your Father the Devil..Now back to sin entering the World by Adams sin..not the devils sin, but Adams sin..So with that in mind, when Paul preached that God was in Christ [ at the everlasting covenant stipulations] reconciling the world unto Himself, He could not have meant the devil and his seed whom He was father and Head to, but only Adam and His seed or offspring whom He was head can possibly be meant..For the World did not need reconciliation when it was inhabited by a fallen saten, and a unfallen Adam..So it is unscriptural the way men falsely teach, that God reconciles both, the seed of Adam and the seed of the devil !!all references to reconciliation therefore can only apply to the seed of adam..who according to the flesh was a forefather to Christ see lk 3..2 cor 5:18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.eph 2:16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:col 1:20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.heb 2:17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.rom 5:10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.For God only reconciles the sin of Adam and His offspring back to Himself, for it was the sin of Adam that brought alienation of the children of God, rom 5 12..for it was for the sin of Adam that the lamb of God taketh away per jn 1:29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.That sin of the world is here rom 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:You see how that agrees ? The lamb of God didn't take away the sin of the seed of satan..for they are reserved unto the day of Judgment per 2 pet:2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; But Jesus taketh away the sin of the World caused by Adams disobedience, not the devils disobedience..The sin of the devil [ as a Father of a seed] had no change effected between God and Adam, for even after satan had sinned and before Adam sinned, the world was in perfect harmonious order, and arrangement..The word kosmos by the way means this:an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3This harmonious arrangement of the kosmos was not disrupted by Satan's sin, but by Adams sin..for God also told Adam cursed is the ground for thy sake gen 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; All of this disruption came because of Adams sin, and not Satan's previous sin in getting him and his followers tossed..So this truth also exposes the false teaching of universalism who teach that all men and even some teach that the devil himself will be reconciled to God..for there is no scripture warrant for such lies..Only the world that was represented in Adam will be reconciled to God, and the world that was represented by Satan, he as their father, they are being reserved under darkness, to be punished..Here is there fate at the hands of the great king Matt 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:But halieuia, if we belong to the sin of Adam, then these words will be spoken unto us:Matt 25:34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Notice blessed of My Father..and hence, that means our Father as well..and we never had the devil as our Father as those in jn 8 44..__________________

 

[Benoni]

What you are missing is the devil has control of all flesh; you're flesh my flesh all flesh to include Christian flesh. You are giving Satan far too much power and glory; Satan can do nothing unless God ordains it. It is god who made Adam and Eve dust which is Satan’s food. Be it the fleshly mind or are carnal flesh. God is not good, God is God.God is not this little god in some far away heaven who gets mad at Satan because it is so obvious that satan is more powerful because satan is a greater god then God because satan controls the evil. No, God controls all evil and God even created the tree of Good and Evil and ordained Adam’s fall. It was God’s doing not little man; or satan which is nothing but a puppet in God all powerful, all mighty control. Satan is the god of this earth you can give Satan all the glory you want to but the earth is the Lords and Satan has no control unless God ordains it. I have people say that Satan is the ruler of the world; but where?Deuteronomy 10:14Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.Notice God is the God (Lord “L”)of the earth (present tense) not the god (little “g”) of the earth that Satan is. Psalm 24:1The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 1 Corinthians 10:26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. Corinthians 10:28 But if any man say unto you, this is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof

 

[Ray]

Genesis 4

[sup]1[/sup]And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. ( The First part of this verse is not the words of Eve but are the words of The Holy Spirit through Moses. " And ADAM knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain" The only thing Eve said in this verse is that "I have gotten a man from the LORD". Nowhere here or anywhere in Scripture does it state that the serpent knew Eve and she conceived. This seems to be another doctrine taught from the minds of men but cannot be found anywhere in Scripture.)

 

[australia]

Perhaps that's what she thought.

Gen 20:2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.

By your analogy, you should be able to show how Sarah was Abraham's sister.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

swamp says Yes, because He was not a Son of God, but of the devil.. Adams geneology records the sons of God lk 3: 38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Wasn't your original post disputing the idea that the devil had a son with eve ? Obviously they had an exchange of some kind .... Oh your account has been disabled.

 

[Ray]

Australia :

Genesis 20:11-12

King James Version (KJV)


[sup]11[/sup]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
[sup]12[/sup]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.