Scripture only [1] -- The Christian Sabbath
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just why do you think the Lord God told Abraham to circumcise on the eighth day? 7+1 is 8 last I checked.
and mattmooradians have trouble with no Scripture and with bull dust like <<For Christians, "Every day is the Sabbath">>. God recompensed makers of strange fire with death easy-peasy.
BarneyFife
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The 7th day Sabbath was given to Israel. The 8th day Sabbath is given to the Church. And if anyone is not resting in Christ, the 7th day Sabbath means nothing. Christ is our eternal rest (shabbath).
Both the Feast of First Fruits as well as the Feast of Pentecost were on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (the morrow after the Sabbath). People need to see the spiritual significance of that.
BarneyFife
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So was the new covenant. But we don't mind borrowing that, now, do we?
How could they if there isn't any except what is contrived by those who seek to deny God's claims upon them?
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Re: <<The 7th day Sabbath was given to Israel.>>
"the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" it was, yes, and it was <given> for Israel as "for the People of God" -- OF GOD -- God's stuff <given> for the good of God's People. Makes sense!
But God NEVER "GAVE" Israel HIS, "MY, Sabbath". The Bible never says God 'gave" his Sabbath to anyone! And people should see the significance of THAT that He never dispossessed Himself from HIS Sabbath Day of Divine Rest "My Holy Day" -- unless it's "The Son of Man that keeps the Sabbath" "the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD".
Re: <<The 8th day Sabbath is given to the Church.>>
Never seen Scripture such nonsense.
Re: <<if anyone is not resting in Christ, the 7th day Sabbath means nothing.>>
Common sense! Means nothing to man; not to say means nothing to God! He will be upset of course.
Re: <<Christ is our eternal rest (shabbath).>>
The one or the other, make up your mind! Christ certainly is not my <shabbath>, eternal or not eternal, thanks! Christ is "The Rest OF GOD", yes, it's Written! So He is <our eternal rest> as long as we don't put false words in his mouth.
Re: <<First Fruits>> was on any day of the week any time or season of the year of anything the fruit of man's industriousness. It was no calendar 'feast'.
Re: <<the Feast of First Fruits [* Sic.] as well as the Feast of Pentecost were both on the Seventh Day Sabbath FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (the morrow after the Sabbath). People need to see the spiritual significance of that.>> [* Feast of First Sheaf Wave Offering]
They were not <<on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK>> "the morrow" / "day", after the weekly "Sabbath". The <spiritual significance>> there might have been is destroyed through your unpardonable misquoting and unnecessary, contra Scripture, additions like <<the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK>> to what "is written". The 'feast' was the same thing as the 'sabbath' which was a seasonal, yearly, "sabbath-of-feast" / "feast-of-sabbath" dated "the fifteenth day of the First Month"-- which date once in the year floated through the seven-days-week.
What YOU need is to realise the spiritual significance of allowing Scripture to explain Scripture.
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mailmandan
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Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB)
*Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Sabbath rest (4520) sabbatismos - Sermon Index
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations was part of a covenant (the old covenant/under the law) with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the Church/the body of Christ/Christians/believers under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-9)
*Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
Sabbath rest (4520) sabbatismos - Sermon Index
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations was part of a covenant (the old covenant/under the law) with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the Church/the body of Christ/Christians/believers under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-9)
BarneyFife
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It is a common mistake to assume that a word found nowhere else in the Bible means something special. Writers can have any number of reasons for doing this, or no reason at all.
Sabbatismos and sabbatizō are Greek renderings of the Hebrew noun shabbath and its related verb shabath, respectively, and the meaning of the latter may be expected to cast light on the meaning of the former. Shabbath occurs 101 times in the OT, where it generally means “Sabbath,”—the seventh day of the week—or “week,” a period of seven days marked off by successive Sabbaths. It is also used of the sabbatical year (Lev. 25:6; 26:34, 43; 2 Chron. 36:21). The verb shabath occurs 70 times, 7 times with reference to the Sabbath rest and 63 times with reference to other kinds of rest. For instances of the latter usage see Gen. 8:22; Joshua 5:12; Neh. 6:3; Lam. 5:14; Isa. 14:4; 24:8; 33:8. The root meaning of the verb shabath is “to cease,” “to rest.” The word sometimes denotes the weekly Sabbath rest. But the noun shabbath, derived from shabath, commonly denotes the weekly Sabbath rest, and also the space of time marked off by successive Sabbaths, the week (Lev. 23:15), and the sabbatical years (ch. 26:35; etc.). It may be noted also that shabbathon, which is simply shabbath with the ending –on, is used of the Day of Atonement (Lev. 16:31; 23:32), of the sabbatical year (Lev. 25:4, 5), of the Feast of Trumpets (Lev. 23:24), and of the first and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev. 23:39)—as well as of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Sabbatizō is used seven times in the LXX, once of the literal seventh-day Sabbath (Ex. 16:30), once of other sabbaths (Lev. 23:32), and five times of the land’s resting in the sabbatical year (Lev. 26:34, 35; 2 Chron. 36:21). In the LXX of Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32; 26:34, 35 sabbatizō is from the Hebrew shabath. Accordingly, the fundamental idea expressed by sabbatizo in the LXX is that of resting or ceasing from labor or other activity. Hence usage of the related Greek and Hebrew words implies that the noun sabbatismos may denote either the literal Sabbath “rest” or simply “rest” or “cessation” in a more general sense. Thus, a linguistic study of the word sabbatismos in Heb. 4:9 leaves it uncertain whether the weekly Sabbath “rest” is here referred to, or simply “rest” or “cessation” in a general sense. Context alone can decide the matter.
mailmandan
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This website may be helpful to you. Sabbatismos Ministries - is-the-sabbath-still-required-for-christians
I see in Hebrews 7.12 that the law was changed. I don't see going back and imposing the law's Sabbath-keeping.
BarneyFife
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Thanks. I try to avoid "ministries" that emphasize a certain subject, unless it is urgent.
BarneyFife
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Not just 'liturgy'. The priesthood was changed, utterly changed.
What we now have is better than the law. Hebrews 7.19 says so most clearly.
Brakelite
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Good question. But let us allow for an eighth day, just for the sake of argument. What did God do on the 'eighth' day after creation, the first day of the second week in other words?
KJV Genesis 2
The First Sabbath
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
So why did God bless and sanctify the 7th day? Because He rested on that day. Therefore, it must have been after God had rested that God blessed and sanctified the day. Which must have been in the first day of the second week... The so called fictitious eighth day.
Therefore, because the blessing and the sanctifying of that seventh day came upon it after it has already passed, that blessing and sanctifying... Setting the seventh day aside for holy use... Was intended for every seventh day from that time forward. It was meant for Adam, the Patriarchs, it was so honored by the prophets, the apostles, Jesus Himself Who established it, and by the early church and many who followed after to our day. It's a holy institution made for mankind.
BarneyFife
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It took six days for God to gather the animals into the ark. Then Noah and his family went into the ark and rested on the 7th day.
And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
It seems that God might have waited until after the six days work of settling the animals in the ark and the seventh-day Sabbath (rest) to begin His work of flooding the earth.
And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
It seems that God might have waited until after the six days work of settling the animals in the ark and the seventh-day Sabbath (rest) to begin His work of flooding the earth.
My good friend in Jesus Christ, serious, What IS God's Rest OTHER THAN having "blessed, sanctified AND COMPLETED ALL HIS WORKS"?
Grasp that and grasp the perfect unity and harmony and divine-ness in the Old and the New Testament SCRIPTURES. Therefore, it MUST have been WITH AND THROUGH AND BY AND THAT, <<God blessed and sanctified the day>>, <<THAT God had rested>>.
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