Scriptures that Refute Calvinism

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PinSeeker

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You mean like "hyper-calvinism".... that is a overemphasis on the doctrines of John Calvinism?
Who is John Calvinism? <chuckles>

Behold, either you don't understand or refuse to acknowledge the actual difference between Calvinism and hyper-Calvinism.

Hyper-Calvinism is not "an over emphasis of Calvin's teachings," but on rather is the belief that God saves the elect through His sovereign will with little or no use of the methods of bringing about salvation (such as evangelism, preaching, and prayer for the lost). To an unbiblical fault, the hyper-Calvinist over-emphasizes God’s sovereignty and under-emphasizes man’s responsibility in the work of salvation. Hyper-Calvinism takes a biblical doctrine, God’s sovereignty, and pushes it to an unbiblical extreme. In doing so, the hyper-Calvinist downplays the love of God and the necessity of evangelism.

So, how many Calvinists have you met that dont believe in TULIP......that has that "L" in it?
Ah, yes, the concept of limited atonement. You know, there are "four-point Calvinists" out there, and the 'L' is usually the one they can't digest, much the same as you in that respect. But this is not the dividing line between Calvinists and Hyper-Calvinists; see above.

Anyway, yes, such a repulsive concept to so many, but because they don't understand the sense in which it is limited. Or just won't accept it for one reason or another. As I have said, there is a sense in which it is unlimited, but also another sense in which it is limited. to the latter, consider what Jesus says in John 10 to a group of Jews at the Feast of Dedication:

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30)​

It's easy to see in what the Lord says there that not everyone hears His voice, but only His sheep, and He knows His sheep, which is not a mere cognitive thing, because in that sense Jesus, Who is God, knows everyone and everything. Too, Jesus says that in the final Judgment, to many He will say, "I never knew you" (Matthew 7:23). The limited nature of Christ's atonement is in the very same sense. Yes, Christ's atonement was sufficient for everyone, limitless in that respect. But it was only effectual for God's elect, so limited in that respect, and the latter is the context of John Calvin's 'L'... limited atonement.

So, when I teach on Calvinism.......im aiming at that group, of Hyper-Calvinism maniacs......these ultra-disciples of J-Calvinism, who stress that "Limited Atonement" that is the main teaching that denies The Cross of Christ.
Your aim is... way off. Friendly fire, actually...

...this false teaching denies the Blood of Jesus to "Sinners"...
But it doesn't. It only affirms that, while there is a sense in which Jesus's atonement was indeed for the world, there is also a sense in which it is only for the ones the Father has given the Son.

...and relegates it to "only the elect" "predestined".
Hmmm, well, it can be a hard truth, but God Himself says, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So, yes, "He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills" (Romans 9:14-18). Only God's elect are the ones who are... or will be, in the case of those who have not yet been born again... are/will be in Christ, those He has given/will give eternal life.

See that Cross Denying Lie?
I see what you think is a "cross-denying lie," yes. But God's Word says what it says. It is what it is. "The grass withers, and the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands/endures forever" (Isaiah, Peter). Again, depending on the sense in which one understands it, Jesus's atonement is both unlimited (sufficient for all, able to cover all) and limited (applied only to some, only effectual for Jesus's sheep, the ones given to Him by the Father).

.. That is the ultra-proof that TULIP is a "doctrine of Devils"......Hebews 13:9
Pish.

Grace and peace to you, Behold.
 

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One could say that you, Big Boy, follow suit with Jacobus Arminius

I learned from God's Word that He gave man free will because God created man in His image long before I ever heard of this Artimus character.



However, if you actually understood any one of Calvin's five points ~ which were actually only his rebuttals to Jacobus Arminius's five "objections"... Calvin's body of work was far, far greater than a mere five points ~ you might actually reconsider things...

I go by what God's Word teaches and based on that all 5 points of calvin are fake gospel nonsense.

But by all means, feel free to ignore God's Word and be a follower of calvin and see what happens to ya

It's our right to follow whoever we want to follow, so I'll go with Jesus instead of calvin or atimus who mean nothing to me.
 
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Who is John Calvinism? <chuckles>

You are a John Calvinism's disciple, so, do i have to explain to you why?'

Notice that you are here on the Forum taking a stand for this denonic Heretic......same as any other disciple of this MAN.

Hyper-Calvinism is not "an over emphasis of Calvin's teachings,"

Yes it is........and that is why its called "HYPER" Calvinism.

sense in which Jesus's atonement was indeed for the world, there is also a sense in which it is only for the ones the Father has given the Son.

Jesus once said that "all these that you have given me, i have lost none"...

So, that is Jesus talking about the Apostles..... only.

John Calvinism, twists that verse to fit His (pre-destined) doctrine of devils..... Hebrews 13:9 (KJV).


Hmmm, well, it can be a hard truth, but God Himself says, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,

Exaclty, and God has mercy on everyone.........as proven by. John 3:16.... "For God so loved the WORLD (of sinners)..""


"Jesus came into the WORLD to save "sinners".. and Lying John Calvinism and his deceived disciples deny this and change "world" into "predestined".

God doesn't.