SETTLING THE FALSE THEORY OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

[Davy]

Supersessionism - Wikipedia

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Definitely a link worth the time to read in full. Though, reading in part is enlightening as well .

For instance,how often do we read some say the laws of Moses no longer apply.
If we consider the moral laws of God,the ten commandments, we might consider that argument dismisses Jesus condensing the 10 into his own 2.

Love God with all our hearts and minds. And our neighbor as ourselves.

Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Churches, Reformed churches and Methodist churches all believe and teach that the ten commandments continue to bind believers.

As relates to Suppressionism, it can be argued that due to Apostle Paul's focus on Gentiles being included in the saving grace of God that he himself espoused what today is labeled, Replacement Theology.

From the link:
"Paul's views on the Jews are complex, but he is generally regarded as the first person to make the claim that by not accepting claims of Jesus's divinity, non-believing Jews disqualified themselves from salvation.[19]"

Also, besides Roman Catholics as well, many Protestant Denominations hold to the tenets of RT.
Lutherans, Reformed, and LDS.

And of course there are types of Suppressionism.

So, it's there.

That 'some'... assume that doctrine still does not mean such a doctrine actually exists BIBLICALLY. And that has been MY point all along, that Replacement Theology does not really exist, Biblically that is.

The parts of God's Word that most are ignorant of... regarding all of those denominations you mention, including the unbelieving Jews, is how they do not understand Bible prophecy of how God used the lost ten tribes, and a remnant of Jews, scattered among the Gentiles to form The New Covenant Church under Jesus Christ.

When Lord Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel", most wrongly believe He was only pointing to the Jews in the holy land at His 1st coming. He was not; He was pointing to the lost ten tribes of the "house of Israel" that had already been scattered out of the holy land long before His 1st coming.

Per the 1 Kings 11 forward history of God splitting old Israel, the label "house of Israel" specifically was applied ONLY to the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel". This is why after God split the old kingdom of Israel into two separate kingdoms, we find both 'house' labels together in the same verse.

The following Scripture examples prove beyond all doubt that the "house of Israel" label even during the days of Lord Jesus' 1st coming, was meant only about the ten lost tribes that were already gone, scattered out of the holy land by the time of Jesus' 1st coming...

1 Kings 12:21
21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
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Per 1 Kings 11 forward, God split the old kingdom of Israel in Solomon's day because of his allowing his many wives to bring idol worship in among the children of Israel. Rehoboam, Solomon's son of the house of David, then became king over the "house of Judah", which represented only... the tribes of Judah and Benjamin after the split. Rehoboam was planning to take warriors of Judah and Benjamin and head to the northern ten tribes to bring the whole kingdom back together, but God stopped him, as God said this thing was of Him. Those northern ten tribes were who that "house of Israel" above represented, and they were not known as Jews.

Jer 3:18
18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
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That above verse is still future to us today. That will only happen at Christ's future return. It is about the re-joining of both "the house of Judah" (Jews) and the "house of Israel" (ten lost tribes) back together again in final. That is also shown in the Ezekiel 37 prophecy about the joining of the two symbolic sticks.


Jer 5:11
11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against Me, saith the LORD.
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There is no mistaking that those two houses represent 2 separate groups of Israelites. That began at 1 Kings 11 when God rent the old kingdom of Israel out the hand of Solomon's son Rehoboam, and God then gave ten northern tribes of the "house of Israel" to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim.

Jer 11:10
10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear My words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers.
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Hos 1:6-7
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, "Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
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The above prophecy especially, is about God long ago getting ready to scatter the ten tribe northern "kingdom of Israel" that represented that "house of Israel". But the Jews of the "house of Judah" of the southern "kingdom of Judah" would remain in the land at that time of the ten tribe's scattering.

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[Davy]

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Heb 8:7-10
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in My covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
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The above Hebrews 8:8 prophecy quoted from Jeremiah 31, but repeated there in The New Testament Book of Hebrews, reveals that The New Covenant especially went to the LOST SHEEP of the ten tribe "house of Israel", and also to the 'believing' Jews of the "house of Judah".

Let that soak in, because that Hebrews 8 Scripture is CONFIRMING the continued existence of the LOST SHEEP of the ten tribe "house of Israel" specifically under The New Covenant Jesus Christ! If you will note, the Hebrews 8:10 verse leaves out the "house of Judah". Even though a remnant of the Jews would believe on Lord Jesus Christ, I believe that 10th verse is written to particularly point to the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel" as the majority of Israelites to whom The Gospel would be received by. If you have been reading my posts on this thread so far, then you should be able to grasp how the Genesis 48 prophecy of the "multitude of nations" that Ephraim's seed would become was fulfilled in this New Covenant Hebrews 8 prophecy about the ten tribe "house of Israel".

God had made one of Ephraim's seed "king of Israel" after the split, meaning over the ten northern tribe kingdom (see 1 Kings 11). God doing that means He went outside of His promise to the tribe of Judah, and to the house of David, by making Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim "king of Israel" over the northern ten tribes. Why would God do that?

Well, one of the house of David of the tribe of Judah was still king over the Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah" at that time, so God really didn't go back on that promise He made to Judah and to David. But He had to have had a purpose for making one of the tribe of Ephraim king over the majority of Israelites of the ten tribes, and He did. You just read about it there in Hebrews 8 about the New Covenant He made with both houses, but especially the ten tribe "house of Israel" which the Biblically illiterate think are no more and are lost forever, but they are not. Instead, the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel" are such a HUGE... part of Christ's Church per Christian history and today, having received The Gospel once scattered to new lands among Gentiles, that to deny their present existence is simply great Biblical illiteracy.

This confirms that Lord Jesus was pointing to the ten lost tribes of Israel that were already scattered among the Gentiles at His 1st coming when He said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel". His meaning is since The Gospel would be rejected by the majority of Jews at Jerusalem, Then His Gospel would go to the lost sheep of the ten tribe "house of Israel", and of course also to the Gentiles those lost sheep were scattered among. Historically, that was fulfilled in the western Christian nations of history, in Asia Minor and Europe originally.

 

[Davy]

No, I'm not going to just act as if Romans 11:11-14 does not exist. It helps establish the context of the rest of the chapter.

I never asked you to claim it doesn't exist. You are being hard-headed. This conversation is over.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I never asked you to claim it doesn't exist. You are being hard-headed. This conversation is over.

Says the most hard-headed person on this entire forum. As if you are actually interested in a real, adult conversation. You never are interested in that. You're just interested in sharing your weak arguments while not even considering at all what anyone else thinks.

 

[Jay Ross]

How should Romans 9:25-27 be correctly interpreted?

This is my take on these verses: -

Romans 11:25-27: - 25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,​

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"The Deliverer will come from Zion,​

he will banish ungodliness from Jacob";​

27 "and this will be my covenant with them​

when I take away their sins."​

This is the traditional understanding; however, I would suggest that a better understanding is made with reference to Daniel 8:13-14 and the trampling of the Sanctuary and God’s earthly hosts, by the heathen Gentiles. And the bolded text portion of the above text should be paraphrased in this manner

“until the prophesied fullness, with respect to time, of the ‘heathen’ Gentiles is completed, after which those of Israel will be saved;”​

The above verses tells us when Israel will be saved.

Other verses that tell us when God will begin gathering Israel once more back to Himself are:

Exodus 20:4-6: - 4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image — any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth age of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.​

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Hosea 6:1-3: - ​

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6:1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;​

For He has torn, but He will heal us;​

He has stricken, but He will bind us up.​

2 After two days {of the Lord} He will revive us;​

On the third day {of the Lord} He will raise us up,​

That we may live in His sight.​

3 Let us know,​

Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.​

His going forth is established as the morning;​

He will come to us like the rain,​

Like the latter and former rain to the earth.​

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Lamentations 5:19-22: -

19 You, O Lord, remain even to the vanishing point in time;
Your throne will still remain for an age and an age. {i.e. after two ages}
20 Why do You forget us for so long a time beyond our ability to grasp,
And forsake us for such a long a time?
21 Turn us back to You, O Lord, and we will be restored;
Renew our days as of old,
22 But You seem to have utterly rejected us,
And are very/still angry with us!

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It is my understanding that the end of the fourth age, the two days of the Lord and the two age will all occur in around 20 years' time. This is when God will begin gathering Israel back to Himself once again.

This is when Israel will once more remake the Kingdom of Priest, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the Nations covenant, and have their relation with God restored once again.

Shalom

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