Seven churches but only two witnesses

[Zao is life]

The two passages don't match at all. There are no corpses to see regarding the LOF, not to mention it isn't even on the Earth.

They do match. Apocalyptic literature is saturated with hyperbole mixed with metaphor in order that the reader / hearer understand the extent of the judgment or calamity being warned about. It's as literal as "fire and brimstone and their smoke goes up forever and ever" (which is not literally the case - but the memory will be there - in exactly the same way as the memory of Sodom is still with us even to this day in the vicinity of the dead sea).

@ewq1938 They are all just as metaphorical as this statement:

Revelation 19
17 And I saw one angel standing in the sun. And he cried with a great voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid-heaven, Come and gather together to the supper of the great God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of commanders, and the flesh of strong ones, and the flesh of horses, and those sitting on them, and the flesh of all, both free and slave, both small and great.

Ezekiel 39
17 And you, son of man, So says the Lord Jehovah. Speak to the bird of every wing, and to every beast of the field: Gather yourselves and come; gather yourselves from all around to My sacrifice that I sacrifice for you, a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, so that you may eat flesh and drink blood.
18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty and drink the blood of the rulers of the earth, of rams, lambs, goats, and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And you shall eat fat until you are full, and drink blood until you are drunk, of My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 And you shall be filled at My table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, all the men of war, says the Lord Jehovah.
21 And I will set My glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see My judgments which I have done, and My hand that I have laid on them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

 

[ewq1938]

They do match. Apocalyptic literature is saturated with hyperbole mixed with metaphor in order that the reader / hearer understand the extent of the judgment or calamity being warned about. It's as literal as "fire and brimstone and their smoke goes up forever and ever" (which is not literally the case - but the memory will be there - in exactly the same way as the memory of Sodom is still with us even to this day in the vicinity of the dead sea).

@ewq1938 They are all just as metaphorical as this statement:

That's literal and there will be corpses seen but that isn't the LOF. There will be no dead bodies with worms in the NHNE and the LOF won't be on the Earth so it won't be seen either.

 

[Zao is life]

That's literal and there will be corpses seen

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree with @Truth7t7, and I believe that statement is metaphorical, and refers to the same thing this refers to:

Revelation 14
9 And a third angel followed them, saying with a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the anger of God, having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints. Here are the ones who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Isaiah 66
24 And they will go out and see the dead bodies of the men who have sinned against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be put out; and they will be an object of disgust to all flesh.

I believe it's metaphorical, not literal: The memory of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction by fire and brimstone we still have with us to this day, and we can see it in the vicinity of the Dead Sea. But we don't actually see and smell their dead bodies, or even know their names. But Apocalyptic scripture is full of statements that contain hyperbole mixed with metaphor in order that the reader / hearer understand the extent of the judgment or the calamity.

You don't believe in a future judgment to a "Literal" eternal Lake Of Fire?

Revelation 20:14-15KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Zao is life]

You don't believe in a future judgment to a "Literal" eternal Lake Of Fire?

Revelation 20:14-15KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I believe in the second death which is everlasting destruction and is called the lake of fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe in the second death which is everlasting destruction and is called the lake of fire.

Do you believe those that partake in this second death will suffer eternal conscious torment?

They cease to exist, annihilation?

Revelation 20:14-15KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Zao is life]

Do you believe those that partake in this second death will suffer eternal conscious torment?

They cease to exist, annihilation?

Revelation 20:14-15KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I'm not God, so I don't have all the answers, but the Bible does not talk about annihilation, so I don't believe in annihilation, because I believe the Bible:

Revelation 14
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

It does not speak of their annihilation, but of their everlasting torment. Jesus used gehenna as the symbol of this in Mat 5:22 & 29-30; Mat 10:28; Mat 18:9; Mat 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; and Luke 12:5. It's also mentioned by James in James 3:6.

Your "Divinely inspired perfect KJV translation" translates gehenna as "hell", hades as "hell" and tartaroo as "hell" each time one of the three words appear, making no distinction, even though each word has a different meaning.

 

[Truth7t7]

Is this a court order?

THE TWO WITNESSES IN EGYPT:
TURNING THE WATERS TO BLOOD​

Exo 7:19-20 "And the LORD spoke to Moses, Say to Aaron, Take your rod, and stretch out your hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their canals, and upon their pools, and upon every reservoir of their waters, that they may become blood.

And blood shall be throughout all the land of Egypt, both in wooden and in stone vessels."

"And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded. And he lifted up the rod and struck the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants. And all the waters in the river were turned to blood."

THE TWO WITNESSES OF THE REVELATION:
TURNING THE WATERS TO BLOOD​

Rev 11:6 “These have authority to shut up the heaven, that it may not rain in the days of their prophecy. And they have authority over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.”

Revelation 16:4 "And the third angel poured out his vial on the rivers and fountains of waters, and they became blood."

METAPHOR:

John 7:38-39
He who believes on Me, as the Scripture has said, "Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." (But He spoke this about the Spirit, which they who believed on Him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Revelation 21:6
And He said to me, It is done. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who thirsts I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will feed them and will lead them to the fountains of living waters. And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 14:7
saying with a great voice, Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 8:10
And the third angel sounded, and a great star burning like a lamp fell from the heaven, and it fell on the third part of the rivers and on the fountains of waters.

Revelation 16:4-6
And the third angel poured out his vial on the rivers and fountains of waters, and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Righteous is the Lord, who is, and was, and who will be, because You have judged these things,
6 since they have poured out the blood of the saints and prophets; and You gave them blood to drink, for they were deserving.

But @Truth7t7 says: Some of it is metaphor, but whenever I, Truth7t7 say its' literal, then it's literal - by court order!

So Truth7t7, you may (believe you) know whether or not the rivers and fountains of waters being turned to blood is literal, but I don't know. And you may (believe you) know whether or not "the third angel" is a metaphor for the two witnesses who are the ones at whose hands it is being done, but I don't know.

And if I don't know, then I don't know.

The same plagues seen In Revelation 11:6 in Egypt were literal, water to blood etc

Why would you deny this will happen again as clearly seen and explained in Revelation 11:6 and Revelation 16:1-11

As scripture cleary teaches, the two witnesses will be living with physical bodies that die upon this physical earth, bringing literal plagues as seen in the Revelation, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt as seen in the Exodus

 

[Zao is life]

The same plagues seen In Revelation 11:6 in Egypt were literal, water to blood etc

Why would you deny this will happen again as clearly seen and explained in Revelation 11:6 and Revelation 16:1-11

As scripture cleary teaches, the two witnesses will be living with physical bodies that die upon this physical earth, bringing literal plagues as seen in the Revelation, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt as seen in the Exodus

I believe the two prophets / witnesses will have physical bodies and will be martyred. I believe the possibility that the plagues seen in the Revelation are literal. I believe that it's possible that the water turning to blood is a metaphor for the martyrdom of the faithful remnant of Christ's body.

I believe that you "know" as much as I do.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe the two prophets / witnesses will have physical bodies and will be martyred. I believe the possibility that the plagues seen in the Revelation are literal. I believe that it's possible that the water turning to blood is a metaphor for the martyrdom of the faithful remnant of Christ's body.

I believe that you "know" as much as I do.

Thanks for the honest response, I have shared my belief and observation of scripture

Scripture clearly teaches of future two witnesses that have literal physical bodies upon this literal earth

Scripture teaches they will bring literal plagues, just as Moses/Aaron did against Pharaoh of Egypt

Jesus Is The Lord

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Zao is life]

Isaiah 66 is the eternal kingdom in the NHNE

Isaiah 66:22-24KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Isaiah 66 is talking to Israel about it's coming judgment for its idolatry, to Babylon and the nations of its day about its coming judgment for its sins, to the nations at the close of this Age before the return of Christ about their coming judgment, and about the return of the Jews following their captivity in Babylon and their blessings that would follow, and about the blessings to be ultimately experienced in the NHNE.

I wish more Christians had a better understanding of Isaiah and of prophecy in general. Some do, but most don't, through decades of bad teaching by novices who have abandoned the combined wisdom of 1,800 years of Christianity, and become full of their own imaginations.

 

[Truth7t7]

Isaiah 66 is talking to Israel about it's coming judgment for its idolatry, to Babylon and the nations of its day about its coming judgment for its sins, to the nations at the close of this Age before the return of Christ about their coming judgment, and about the return of the Jews following their captivity in Babylon and their blessings that would follow, and about the blessings to be ultimately experienced in the NHNE.

I wish more Christians had a better understanding of Isaiah and of prophecy in general. Some do, but most don't, through decades of bad teaching by novices who have abandoned the combined wisdom of 1,800 years of Christianity, and become full of their own imaginations.

Isaiah 66:15-16 shows the Lord's return in fire and final judgement

Isaiah 66:16-17 shows the wicked world that will be judged by fire, "Consumed Together", Zechariah 14:12, Luke 21:29-30, Revelation 20:9

Isaiah 66:18-24 shows the eternal kingdom in the New Heavens and Earth, yes the lake of fire will be present outside the gates of New Jerusalem in the NHNE, Isaiah 66:24 and Revelation 22:14-15 clearly teaches this seen below

Revelation 22:14-15KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Isaiah 66:15-24KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Zao is life]

Isaiah 66:15-16 shows the Lord's return in fire and final judgement

Isaiah 66:16-17 shows the wicked world that will be judged by fire, "Consumed Together", Zechariah 14:12, Luke 21:29-30, Revelation 20:9

Isaiah 66:18-24 shows the eternal kingdom in the New Heavens and Earth, yes the lake of fire will be present outside the gates of New Jerusalem in the NHNE, Isaiah 66:24 and Revelation 22:14-15 clearly teaches this seen below

Revelation 22:14-15KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Isaiah 66:15-24KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

I forgot to mention that Isaiah 66 is also talking about Christ being a sign to the nations.

In short, it's a timeless masterpiece of Divinely inspired Apocalyptic prophecy, typically using a lot of metaphor, such as below:
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

@Truth7t7 When you read about our salvation in Christ, you need to understand that God sees all mankind in terms of only two Adams: The first Adam, or the last Adam.

And when you read Isaiah, you need to understand that God only sees three entities: Babylon (the heathen nations), Judah and Jerusalem (His city and His people), and a harlot (those who call themselves by His name but commit adultery).

Isiah 66 covers it all - because Isaiah had been oscillating between prophesying about the one and the other all through his prophecies.

In short, it's a timeless masterpiece of Divinely inspired Apocalyptic prophecy, typically using a lot of metaphor all the way through the book.

 

[Truth7t7]

I forgot to mention that Isaiah 66 is also talking about Christ being a sign to the nations.

In short, it's a timeless masterpiece of Divinely inspired Apocalyptic prophecy, typically using a lot of metaphor, such as below:
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

@Truth7t7 When you read about our salvation in Christ, you need to understand that God sees us in terms of only two Adams: The first Adam, or the last Adam.

And when you read Isaiah, you need to understand that god only sees three entities: Babylon (the heathen nations), Judah and Jerusalem (His city and His people), and a harlot (those who call themselves by His name but commit adultery).

Isiah 66 covers it all - because Isaiah had been oscillating between prophesying about the one and the other all through his prophecy.

In short, it's a timeless masterpiece of Divinely inspired Apocalyptic prophecy, typically using a lot of metaphor all the way through the book.

I Disagree

As clearly explained in post #52 above, Isaiah 66:15-24 speaks of the second coming in the day of the Lord in fire and final Judgement, and the NHNE that follows

I'm fully aware you deny a literal fire destruction, to falsely make way for your belief in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth with mortal humans present, that will never take place

Yes it's my opinion you give disregard to the presented scripture to maintain your desires and beliefs in this Millennial Kingdom, removing anything that stands in its way through false claims of symbolic methaphor

Jesus will return in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End) then its the NHNE as seen in Isaiah 66:18-24

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[atpollard]

Disclaimer: This four-part post (four posts) is not telling anyone who the two witnesses are. It's merely sharing things I've seen in the Bible that may help us understand the subject of Revelation's two witnesses better because there seems to be definite links in all the scriptures listed in posts two, three and four.

Ok, I admit it.
I am NOT one of the two witnesses from Revelation (so don't look for me in Jerusalem, I'll be here in Florida).

 

[Truth7t7]

Hey

Ok, I admit it.
I am NOT one of the two witnesses from Revelation (so don't look for me in Jerusalem, I'll be here in Florida).

Hey Pollard, you doing any fishing or hunting there in Port Richey?

 

[Zao is life]

I Disagree

As clearly explained in post #52 above, Isaiah 66:15-24 speaks of the second coming in the day of the Lord in fire and final Judgement, and the NHNE that follows

I'm fully aware you deny a literal fire destruction, to falsely make way for your belief in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth with mortal humans present, that will never take place

Yes it's my opinion you give disregard to the presented scripture to maintain your desires and beliefs in this Millennial Kingdom, removing anything that stands in its way through false claims of symbolic methaphor

Jesus will return in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End) then its the NHNE as seen in Isaiah 66:18-24

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Zao is life]

Ok, I admit it.
I am NOT one of the two witnesses from Revelation (so don't look for me in Jerusalem, I'll be here in Florida).

I thought they had better jokes in Florida :
@atpollard But then, when someone doesn't introduce himself, elsewhere says regarding his absence from the board, "When the urge to respond with four letter words becomes almost unbearable, I take a "time out" from suffering fools." then I guess you know you are dealing with a real "Christian brother' who has the fruit of the Spirit :)

 

[atpollard]

I thought they had better jokes in Florida :

1. Van der Merwe goes to the railway station, and at the ticket office asks: "A return ticket please." Ticket Man: "Where to please?" Van: "Back here, of course, man!"
2. Q: What do you call four little dudes in a matchbox? A: Vier okies!
3. Q: What do you call a South African that tells jokes? A: Fanie.
4. In South Africa we live in HEAVEN ...

• We HEAVEN got petrol
• We HEAVEN got wek
• We HEAVEN got a cure for eds
• We HEAVEN got lektriek
• We HEAVEN got beta fewcha

​

There you go, some SOUTH AFRICAN jokes just for you (courtesy of the Cape Grocer).​

​

@atpollard But then, when someone doesn't introduce himself, elsewhere says regarding his absence from the board, "When the urge to respond with four letter words becomes almost unbearable, I take a "time out" from suffering fools." then I guess you know you are dealing with a real "Christian brother' who has the fruit of the Spirit :)

Case in point.
(... but I can continue to suffer your humorless self.)

 

[atpollard]

Hey

Hey Pollard, you doing any fishing or hunting there in Port Richey?

No need ... I can just come here and hunt "god in the image of man" with the "biblicly innovative". :)