Sex before marring

[treeoflife]

(thesuperjag;57211)
Matthew 24:13 - But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.Mark 13:13 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
All who endure to the end shall be saved. Agreed. This is an encouragement to endure till the day of salvation, not an ultimatum to endure or your salvation won't come.Based on all other scripture, and interpreting this by scripture, knowing that salvation is secure, a gift, by Christ's work, not our work, and not something we gain by works or consequently lose by works (it is the grace of God)... we interpret this from the understanding that this will not contridict everything else we are told about Christ's work on the cross, our salvation. Use scripture to interpret scripture.Suppose we are on a ship (the SSS, Sweet Ship of Salvation). Sometimes the waves are big, and the ride is rough... Jesus is our captain. But, you still get sick sometimes and throw up... it's not always easy, and you have to endure being at sea. Jesus tells us, as the captain of the Sweet Ship of Salvation, "All who endure to the end will be saved." We're on the boat Jag, we're going to heaven. Jesus is telling us to endure. He's given us eternal life. You are on the ship, I am on the ship, and all who the Father has given Him He will not lose ANYTHING. All who endure will be saved... so lets endure for our captain, Jesus. He is the reason we are on the Sweet Ship of Salvation in the first place. He put us there.

John 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.​

We're on the ship, we're going to heaven. Lets endure, and bring God glory while we do it.

 

[Jordan]

(treeoflife;57212)
(thesuperjag;57721)
Matthew 24:13 - But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.Mark 13:13 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
All who endure to the end shall be saved. Agreed. This is an encouragement to endure till the day of salvation, not an ultimatum to endure or your salvation won't come.Based on all other scripture, and interpreting this by scripture, knowing that salvation is secure, a gift, by Christ's work, not our work, and not something we gain by works or consequently lose by works (it is the grace of God)... we interpret this from the understanding that this will not contridict everything else we are told about Christ's work on the cross, our salvation. Use scripture to interpret scripture.Suppose we are on a ship (the SSS, Sweet Ship of Salvation). Sometimes the waves are big, and the ride is rough... Jesus is our captain. But, you still get sick sometimes and throw up... it's not always easy, and you have to endure being at sea. Jesus tells us, as the captain of the Sweet Ship of Salvation, "All who endure to the end will be saved." We're on the boat Jag, we're going to heaven. Jesus is telling us to endure. He's given us eternal life. You are on the ship, I am on the ship, and all who the Father has given Him He will not lose ANYTHING. All who endure will be saved... so lets endure for our captain, Jesus. He is the reason we are on the Sweet Ship of Salvation in the first place. He put us there.

John 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.​

We're on the ship, we're going to heaven. Lets endure, and bring God glory while we do it.So tell me what happened if I decided to become a Satanist?

 

[treeoflife]

If you, or anyone, who is a professing Christian became a Satanist or any other form of religion that doesn't follow Christ... what would happen is the following, in no specific order:A) It would cause confusion and division among believers (sadly).

There would be debates about whether someone can lose their salvation or not.C) Naturally other Christians will rightfully question whether you were ever saved or not.D) You would begin to wreck your life and rob God of the glory He deserves, and the gifts He has promised you for following Him.E) Christians would pray for you, so that you would either come back to Jesus or that you would be converted (one cannot say which is true -- were you a false convert or are you the prodigal son?).F) God will not change, He will remain on the thrown and Jesus will be at the Father's right hand, advocating and awarding salvation to sinners of all kinds apart from works of the law.

 

[chazy15]

Just a question, but could someone clarify...Is the whole sex before marriage being a sin in the Bible? or is it Church orientated?Cheers

 

[Jordan]

Just a question, but could someone clarify...Is the whole sex before marriage being a sin in the Bible? or is it Church orientated?Cheers

Bible.Hello there chazy15.

Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.Having sex outside of marriage, by that I mean sex other than your spouse is adultery. And adultery in all over the bible says it's a sin. (Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18, Jeremiah 3:8, Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20 etc)Fornication is correctly titled "Sex before Marriage" (regardless of anyone) is also a sin in the bible. (Matthew 15:19, Mark 7:21, Romans 1:29, Colossians 3:5)Blessings

 

[cedarhart]

First of all, here is the qualification for Salvation:John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth on Him should have everlasting life.If a person IS a true Christian, they would NEVER truly turn from Christ, ever. It would be impossible having known His Love.Secondly, So what is “fornication”?1st Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

STRONG'S Concordance on "fornication": http://www.htmlbible.com/#strongs/Bible4202 - porneuo 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication.4203 - from pornh - porne 4204; to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry:--commit (fornication). 4204 - feminine of pornoV - pornos 4205; a strumpet; figuratively, an idolater:--harlot, whore.4205 - from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine):--fornicator, whoremonger.

This may not be taken well by some, however, according to my research and studying of Scripture done for the last 35 yrs.,"fornication" would seem to lend itself to be a sexual act that is against the nature which it was created for. According to Scripture, the intent of the act was for a man and a woman to join together as one and reproduce and to keep them bonded together. This includes all that Scripture calls harlotry, adultery, incest, idolatry, prostitute, and whoremonger. So if you are participating in one of these, you are fornicating.Hebrew law indicated that even a woman who was betrothed was under the same standards as being married and was considered "taken".

Virginity was and still is considered a sacred gift to one's chosen mate for life and is considered a valued prize throughout Scripture as it should also still be. But what is “virginity”? The following is a study relating to this topic. These are not my words but God’s Words:Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 5291 Damsel (5288); a girl (from infancy to adolescence):--damsel, maid(-en), young (woman).

5288 Damsel (concretely) a boy (as active), from the age of infancy to adolescence; by implication, a servant; also (by interch. of sex), a girl (of similar latitude in age):--babe, boy, child, damsel (from the margin), lad, servant, young (man).1330 Virgin: feminine passive participle of an unused root meaning to separate; a virgin (from her privacy); sometimes (by continuation) a bride; also (figuratively) a city or state:--maid, virgin.

781 Betrothed: to engage for matrimony:--betroth, espouse.Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.3933 Virgin: of unknown origin; a maiden; by implication, an unmarried daughter:--virgin.3423 Espoused: to give a souvenir (engagement present), i.e. betroth:--espouse.Luke 8:51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.

3816 Maiden: a boy (as often beaten with impunity), or (by analogy), a girl, and (genitive case) a child; specially, a slave or servant (especially a minister to a king; and by eminence to God):--child, maid(-en), (man) servant, son, young man.Bear with me. According to these verses/definitions, a woman who is “betrothed/espoused” and has relations with a different man, then she is committing “adultry”. That is the only way an unmarried woman can commit adultry and this is what Joseph was assuming of Mary because she was pregnant and he knew it was not by him. That was before the Angel explained to him what was the truth.

Anyone who has sex for "sport",meaning arbitrarilly and without conscience, borders on narcissism and has no common sense. That person is committing a gross sin IMHO. That is going against what is the natural purpose for sex and much harm comes from such activity. It is a main factor for society's breakdown of morals and values and should not be tolerated as it is. 20 yrs. ago, it was still shameful to be pregnant outside of marriage and/or to cheat on one's spouse. These situations cause irreparable harm to many people and not just the ones involved. The psychological damage done can be permanent and at the very least, character altering for all victims left in the wake. Physically, the spread of diseases transmitted sexually is absurd and appalling.A sexual relationship is designed to bond with the person that you have chosen to live the rest of your life with and create a family.

Therefore, one should ONLY have relations with that person as that person is the one you love and make vows to. Therefore, sex for "sport" is completely OUT.To completely understand sexual relations and their purpose, one must also understand what the definition of "Marriage" is, exactly.Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king , which made a marriage for his son, STRONG'S on "marriage":1062 - nuptials:--marriage, wedding.This is hardly helpful. So,,,,let's check man's definition.

From Wikipedia: "Christians regard the foundational principle of the lifelong union of a man and a woman to have been first articulated biblically in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 2:24)"Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matt 19:5, Mark 10:7, 1st Cor 6:16, Eph 5:31 STRONG'S on "one":258 - to unify, i.e. (figuratively) collect (one's thoughts):--go one way or other.259 - a numeral from ''achad' (258); properly, united,together, Marriage is not just a piece of paper. It is a vow and bond between a man and a woman before God. That is what counts. It is sacred and should never be taken lightly. Scripture is very clear on setting the examples as God has laid out for us to follow.