Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Jack]

An example of the future of Israel wannabees:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[Lizbeth]

Not quite @Lizbeth



The NSRV states at verse 28 that they are enemies for the sake of us Gentiles. What translation are you reading?


No. The NSRV has a very long study note on this point. My physical roots are Italian, Irish, Portugese and French. The metaphor is about the people one's ancestors come from. Same here.

Neither the first fruit nor the root in Romans 11 refer to Jesus but the people of Israel, generally and the patriarchs specifically. These are our spiritual roots.

The whole chapter is about Israel. V 1 opens by asking if God has rejected his people. This is not asking if God has rejected his own Anointed! V 1 continues with Paul NOT saying he is a Christ follower but an Israelite. Finally, he references he's not descended from Christ but Abraham, the patriarch. I believe all your errors in this thread are from being overly-spiritualized, i.e., soulless.

I wouldn't let any comment or thoughts of men suade me from what the Spirit and Word of God reveal.

All the OT offerings and sacrifices were types and shadows of Christ, including the firstfruit offerings:

1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


And here we see Christ as the Root:

Isa 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Rom 15:12
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The tree itself is Israel which we have been grafted into, brought near to.....the Israel of God, ie, believing Israel, the kingdom of God, not unbelieving Israel after the flesh.

 

[Lizbeth]

Blind indeed dear sister .
How often i long ago seen them use
the very verse that paul had wrote to the church
concerning the giving to the poor saints in jerusalem OUT of text .
AS IF paul was telling the church . HEY we have t osend money to THE JEWISH tem ple and etc
to the nation of God to b less them . This was a call to send to the Apostels and poor saints IN JERSUALEM .
But men like john hagee and scores of others have led this people astray .
And its got worse too sister . TILL now we see the long led pope and v atican and yes UN led plan
OF the abraham peace accords interfaith being embraced .
Cause hey , to them its God and HIS PLAN to SAVE ISRAEL . Though it sure is clear to see
IT WONT . I mean THE VERY SAVOIR OF ISRAEL IT DENIES and hollers OH all religoins serve the same GOD .
That aint gonna save the jews or the gentiles . ITs peace is only gonna usher down
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION upon all who joined hands with the lie of anti christ and its peace .
JESUS has been denied , and these folks DONT care . SO long as the JEW is exalted and the earthen kingdom established
is ALL they care about . The very establishment of the one world religoin
that even TRUMP claimed to be against , HE and all now build and prepare this people right to IT .
Its called SMOKE SCREEN . keep the peoples pitted and divided through poltiics
so as they wont notice B OTH sides Are doing the SAME THING .to lead their people Right to the same LIE .

Amen. It is just like when Jesus was correcting the Jews who were expecting an earthly kingdom reign to happen......He said His kingdom is NOT of this world that they may say lo here it is or there...just as He said about His own return. According to the scriptures these things are not happening the way many think and imagine. We need to put away those childish fables and fairy tales.

 

[Jack]

An example of the SOON future of Israel wannabees:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[Wrangler]

wouldn't let any comment or thoughts of men suade me from what the Spirit and Word of God reveal.

All the OT offerings and sacrifices were types and shadows of Christ, including the firstfruit offerings:

You do know the term “first fruit” doesn’t exclusively apply to one person, right?

According to AI, This phenomenon is called pareidolia. It's a psychological tendency where the human brain perceives meaningful patterns, images, or shapes in random or ambiguous visual (or auditory) stimuli.
Common examples include:

• Seeing faces in clouds, electrical outlets, or car grilles
• Perceiving animals in rock formations or constellations
• Hearing hidden messages in music played backward
• Noticing religious figures in everyday objects like toast or tree bar

 

[amigo de christo]

I wouldn't let any comment or thoughts of men suade me from what the Spirit and Word of God reveal.

All the OT offerings and sacrifices were types and shadows of Christ, including the firstfruit offerings:

1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


And here we see Christ as the Root:

Isa 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Rom 15:12
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The tree itself is Israel which we have been grafted into, brought near to.....the Israel of God, ie, believing Israel, the kingdom of God, not unbelieving Israel after the flesh.

and made fellow citizens . if one is a citizen they are now of said nation .
We are now OF ISRAEL . something not even the unbelieving jew or gentile IS OF .
THEIR Is and was the earthen and for a time it was to be , TILL THE VERY PROMISE given unto the fathers
Unto abraham would come . as was the law also added in TILL the seed WOULD COME .
OH there is that which be of the earthen and of the flesh and it will not profit a man .
THEN THERE IS which BE OF GOD and FOUND ONLY IN CHRIST . IT IS THAT ZION ye have come unto
That HEAV ENLY JERSUALEM , WHEREIN THE TEMPLE is not pa tterend after the true, BUT IS THE TRUE .
GOD AND THE LAMB ARE THAT TEMPLE . and the flesh will not profit one soul , whether he was a jew or gentile .
THEY SIMPLY MUST BE BORN AGAIN . that probably sounds like hate speech like anti christ antisemtism

BUT SISTER i challenge all to examine it . For what i just wrote THAT EASILY BE CONFIRMED BY SCRIPTURE .
by even torah and the prophets , by even JESUS , by even Later the apostels .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. It is just like when Jesus was correcting the Jews who were expecting an earthly kingdom reign to happen......He said His kingdom is NOT of this world that they may say lo here it is or there...just as He said about His own return. According to the scriptures these things are not happening the way many think and imagine. We need to put away those childish fables and fairy tales.

The earthen was but only for a time . TILL THE PROMISED ONE would come .
And why were jews cast then Out of said tree , cause of UNBELEIF IN THIS ONE
of whom BOTH MOSES and the prophets , and EVEN abraham , and yet the very law itself SPOKE OF .
But it seems we got us a big problem in the house .
Many choose to hear the cry , and that cry is of one
who has come in its own name and to lead and to guide both jew and gentile
FAR from THE TRUE SAVOIR OF THE ISRAEL OF GOD .
And it sure can lie sister . It has them convinced that its plan
WILL SAVE ISRAEL and will bring PEACE ON earth .
But in its plan , THE VERY SAVOIR OF ISRAEL , THE VERY SAVOIR OF THE WORLD
HAS BEEN DENIED .
ONLY ANTI CHRIST would do such a thing . And all whose hopes be in men and in the earthern
WILL HEED its voice and its cry . but the sheep SURELY WONT .

 

[amigo de christo]

An example of the SOON future of Israel wannabees:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

yeah rather . WHY did JESUS tell JEWS who failed to beleive on him .
THAT INDEED many would be gathered , from the east and from the west and out of all nations
AND that they would be CAST OUT . you might wanna get your head out of earthen clouds and kingdoms
AND start to seek rather THAT which is HEAVENLY .
CAUSE that CITY , THAT JERUSALEM , CANNOT BE MOVED . but all else will be and be removed .
HERE we have no continuing city , BUT we sheep sure await one to come .
Nothing in any way that is unclean , whatsoever loves and makes a lie , CAN or will be FOUND in that CITY .
ITS HEAV ENLY . and ya better SEEK IT and ITS KING real fast . and i do mean REAL fast .

 

[MonoBiblical]

yeah rather . WHY did JESUS tell JEWS who failed to beleive on him .
THAT INDEED many would be gathered , from the east and from the west and out of all nations
AND that they would be CAST OUT . you might wanna get your head out of earthen clouds and kingdoms
AND start to seek rather THAT which is HEAVENLY .
CAUSE that CITY , THAT JERUSALEM , CANNOT BE MOVED . but all else will be and be removed .
HERE we have no continuing city , BUT we sheep sure await one to come .
Nothing in any way that is unclean , whatsoever loves and makes a lie , CAN or will be FOUND in that CITY .
ITS HEAV ENLY . and ya better SEEK IT and ITS KING real fast . and i do mean REAL fast .

Israelites or Jews, or both?

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. It is just like when Jesus was correcting the Jews who were expecting an earthly kingdom reign to happen......He said His kingdom is NOT of this world that they may say lo here it is or there...just as He said about His own return. According to the scriptures these things are not happening the way many think and imagine. We need to put away those childish fables and fairy tales.

many seek the wrong king .
many seek the wrong city
Many have had their hopes in this life and in this world and its kingdom and its jerusalem .
ALL OF WHICH IS IN BONDAGE and
in darkness .
THERE is a country , there is a city , there is a kingdom and a king
AND HIS KINGDOM IS HEAVENLY and the sheep are seated in heavenly places
and await THIS KINGDOM to COME with THIS KING who shall deliver them from
the RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT and wrath of GOD .
That which is flesh is flesh .
That which is earthern is earthern . That which is SPIRIT be OF GOD , IS OF HEAVEN
wherein GOD and THE LAMB be seated .
But many choose to hope in the earthern and many cling their hopes unto men .
SOON all not in the lambs book of life will have bought the lie .
SOON all not in the lambs b ook of life will buy the solution .
And the solution they will buy will come of he who came in his own name
and will declare war against the saints who conformed not .
But worry or fear not . If persecutions and tribulations can come upon those of the green tree .
HOW much worse shall come upon those of the dry tree .

 

[amigo de christo]

Israelites or Jews, or both?

that message applies to not only both isralites and jews , b ut also to all gentiles .
MEANING THIS
THEY WILL WEEP , HOWL , BEG , PLEAD , And THE ONLY ANSWER THEY WILL HEAR IS
I NEVER KNEW YOU . WHEN Once the master of the HOUSE , WHOM THEY DENIED , RISES UP and shuts the door .
The flesh cannot profit them . the flesh cannot profit the gentile either .
JESUS CAN . ONLY MANY WOULD NOT . And that is why HE and TO HE ALONE i shall point .
Because frankly if jew cries fifity times a day , I LOVE GOD , I AM OF ABRAHAM , I FOLLOW moses ,
IF THEY HEAR NOT CHRIST , THEY HEAR NONE OF THEM .
A jew , an israelite , a gentile , OH not only can they all wail , BUT ALL WILL WAIL who denied JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
AND if you want to call me a liar , well its not me you are really calling a liar .
THIS BE WHO you would be calling a liar , THE FATHER WHO TESTFIED ON THE SON and THE SON .
THAT BE GOD . get the heck outta these ecumeincal places and indoctrinations of men .
ALL OF IT is coming down on JESUS day .

 

[TLHKAJ]

Traditionally friendly US allies take a stand against participation in war crimes on Trump's and Netanyahu's behalf.

 

[TLHKAJ]

 

[Lizbeth]

and made fellow citizens . if one is a citizen they are now of said nation .
We are now OF ISRAEL . something not even the unbelieving jew or gentile IS OF .
THEIR Is and was the earthen and for a time it was to be , TILL THE VERY PROMISE given unto the fathers
Unto abraham would come . as was the law also added in TILL the seed WOULD COME .
OH there is that which be of the earthen and of the flesh and it will not profit a man .
THEN THERE IS which BE OF GOD and FOUND ONLY IN CHRIST . IT IS THAT ZION ye have come unto
That HEAV ENLY JERSUALEM , WHEREIN THE TEMPLE is not pa tterend after the true, BUT IS THE TRUE .
GOD AND THE LAMB ARE THAT TEMPLE . and the flesh will not profit one soul , whether he was a jew or gentile .
THEY SIMPLY MUST BE BORN AGAIN . that probably sounds like hate speech like anti christ antisemtism

BUT SISTER i challenge all to examine it . For what i just wrote THAT EASILY BE CONFIRMED BY SCRIPTURE .
by even torah and the prophets , by even JESUS , by even Later the apostels .

Amen. The bible even explains that earthly Jerusalem is an allegory for Hagar in bondage....but some of the folks here either don't know the scriptures very well, or are ignoring them. Not to mention needing to have the Spirit of Christ to be able to have ears to "hear" and eyes to "see" the truth.

 

[Jack]

yeah rather . WHY did JESUS tell JEWS who failed to beleive on him .
THAT INDEED many would be gathered , from the east and from the west and out of all nations
AND that they would be CAST OUT . you might wanna get your head out of earthen clouds and kingdoms
AND start to seek rather THAT which is HEAVENLY .
CAUSE that CITY , THAT JERUSALEM , CANNOT BE MOVED . but all else will be and be removed .
HERE we have no continuing city , BUT we sheep sure await one to come .
Nothing in any way that is unclean , whatsoever loves and makes a lie , CAN or will be FOUND in that CITY .
ITS HEAV ENLY . and ya better SEEK IT and ITS KING real fast . and i do mean REAL fast .

Lots of wannabees tooting their own horns. That will soon stop.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

our part is to believe in our heart and then confess with our mouth.

That doesn't let an unsaved person know specifically what they are to say and do.

Specifically, believe what in our heart? Specifically confess what with our mouth???

it also says right there in the same verse that they are enemies for the gospel's sake.

And yet God did not say in His Word to treat those we are trying to win to the Lord as enemies.

That's what many so called "christians" are doing these days is treating the Jews like enemies and are pushing them away from the Lord rather than trying to win them to the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:18-20
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Just so the people who claim to be Christians know, the "ministry of reconciliation" involves sharing the message of the gospel and encouraging others to be reconciled to God. This is a call to evangelism and discipleship, as seen in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20).

it is not boasting against the branches to simply recognize and acknowledge that unbelieving Jews are lost souls who are capable of erring badly, and also are often enemies of the cross

It's also not wrong to recognize the vast majority of those claiming to be "christians" in these end times are actually the tares Jesus warned us about as they teach and follow doctrines of demons which is religious teachings and doctrines not taught by Jesus and His Apostles (Doctrine of Christ)

This is one of the biggest reasons why more Jews don't get saved, and is why more people in general don't get saved.

Matthew 7:14
strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Sit back and watch God fight for Israel, in the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return!

Yessir, I got my popcorn ready and I'm preparing to laugh at the devil each time the Lord slaps the devil's people down as they seek to destroy Israel.

A lot of "christians" need to get a clue and understand that Jesus is a Jew!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

According to the scriptures these things are not happening the way many think and imagine. We need to put away those childish fables and fairy tales.

You are going around correcting all the false "christian" doctrine too such as reformed theology, OSAS, and catholicism too?

And as the Lord continues to bless Israel increasing their strength and power in these last days which is ultimately a tactical trap to get satan to attack them so the Lord can have opportunity to brings things to a head resulting in Jesus returning to Israel bringing forth satan's final defeat and incarceration of him and all his cohorts... will you continue to speak out against the Jews?

The Lord is taking note concerning who is against what He is doing in the end times and those who cannot recognize His hand moving. Are you sure you want to continue being against the Jews??? Following man made carnal childish fables and fairy tales ends badly so choose wisely.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is a Jew!

One would not know that Jesus followers follow a Jew by many post in this thread!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

One would not know that Jesus followers follow a Jew by many post in this thread!

Yeah, lots of folks cherry pickin the scriptures these days.

But the Lord warned of such in the end times so this shouldn't surprise real Christians.