Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Ronald David Bruno]

Should we support the state of Israel or not as Christians? Thank you

"Bless them and you will be blessed ... Curse them and you will be cursed!"
( see Genesis12:3) That promise did not expire, as well as other covenants.
So says the Bible. God is not done with Israel! Their is a remnant Jewish population ( 1/3) who will be enlightened and saved during the Great Tribulation period. So as relationships with Israel have been since 1948, it is and has been God's will. They are our allies. Personally, financially - we can't afford to give anyone money. They do well on their own - better than any other surrounding Muslim nations. Destroying Iran's nuclear facilities benefited not only them but the world as well. It's still not over yet -- Iran is a threat. Ayatollah is Satan's right hand man ( or maybe on his left hand with Putin on his right) ... and Kim Jung Un at his feet. And let's not forget Xi Jinping on his leash.

 

[RepentingChristian]

Peter at Pentecost, explained when the Jews can believe and how their partial hardening can be removed.

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and they said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation." Acts 2:36

Thank you.

 

[RepentingChristian]

His Kingdom is NOT of this world!

Correct, and only Christians can enter, right?

 

[RepentingChristian]

Google AI search for Rich Tidwell antisemite

Yea, he's a hate-filled nutcase.

 

[RepentingChristian]

Not "the liberals", but the UN, the Genocide Watch, International Association of Genocide Scholars, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, International Criminal Court, International Court of Justice and many other similar organizations. Also countries like Ireland, South Africa, Belgium, Bolivia, Ecuador, Spain...

All Godless, far-left, worldly people.

 

[Button]

Correct, and only Christians can enter, right?

His kingdom is not of (from,sourced by) this world.
That isn't to say his kingdom is not in this world.

Luke 17
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

"Where two or three are gathered in my name there I am among them also."

There are millions of Christians on Earth.
God's kingdom is here.

 

[quietthinker]

Those aren't the words of Moses. They are a prophecy from the living God. You either agree with it or rebel against it.

I agree that your reality is one of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yes,it is.

Source: ADL

Understanding Antisemitism and Anti-Zionism

Definitions of antisemitism, anti-Zionism and anti-Israel bias.

www.adl.org

"....Anti-Zionism is antisemitic, in intent or effect, and can take on several different forms, including:...."

No worthy Christian could be Anti-Semitic. because it is not about race.

Yet around 90% the worlds Semitic people are Islamic !
Yet The Jews came from one Tribe of the Semitic people in fact !
How many of the Jews just in the State of Israel are truly Semitic ? or half etc.

So why are the People dished up this Anti-Semitic nosense that is clearly a pathetic stupid Lie ! to mention that the Issue has anything at all to do with because one is a Semitic People ! Such is clearly a Deception ! that clearly causes Delusions !

It's Anti-Judaism that is the case, so why don't they say such ?
Now in regards this Anti-Judaism one must ask why is their hatred of such ! The World of the West never want to educate on this subject !

So maybe one should go and ask a Islamic person why is it that they have so much hatred for the Jews ! and what type of Jew are they on about ?

The mention of Anti-Zion is insaine ! because Biblical Zion is Great !
But is their a type of so called Zionist that is truly nothing to do with Biblical Zion at all ?
If that is the case ? Are all Jewish Zionist bad ? manybe not.

So when one looks into all of the diffrent types of Jews they are not all the same ! as the West only pushes that all Jews are the same ! even so called Christian religious idiots peddle that dribble stance as well, I have called them out on this issue, only for them to get real shirty with me. demanding all Jews are the same, period ! that's like demanding all Christian denominations are the same as well ! such is a clear lie in fact !

When people mention Anti-Semitic I have to roll my eyes as I know that such as they clearly do not know what they are talking about, nor have a handle on such a subject at all !

I have met and worked for some very wealthy Jews who were totaly possessed in their business life, they had no humanity what so ever in regards other people who did work for them, for the only issue for them was the Letter of the Law, period ! like a robot cop ! if they can fine something regardless so as to get out of paying one, They will try and not pay ! or in regards the robot cop charge you with anything and maybe something will stick !

I know of people who are not Jews at all but Idolise such cunning ! not to mention Governments that make stupid idiot Laws especialy nowadays and hope such nonsense will stick !
Not to mention we see people with no regards the Law, get about in cars and motorbikes with no muffler and drive like total morons and get away with it. when I was young if you tryed that capper, you would get your ass kicked by the cops within the hour !

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Should we support the state of Israel or not as Christians? Thank you

Precious friend @PeterItalian, thanks for asking this great question:

1) Previously "Israel was prominent" among "the nations", according to God's Prophetic Program

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) Today, According To God's Grace Program:

A) ALL are equal - When Israel fell, God No Longer Had them Prominent:

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"For God Hath Concluded them all in unbelief, that He Might Have Mercy Upon all."​

(Romans 11:32 AV)​

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B) love all neighbors no matter their ethnicity:​

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With Christ Living In us, this Fulfils:​

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All Of His Law, In One Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​

as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 AV)​

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C) prefer "members of the body"? ​

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"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;"​

(Romans 12:10 AV)​

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Thus, christians all divided up, "biting and devouring one another" over disagreements is indeed​

a Very Poor testimony of Loving Jesus Christ and Presenting His Gospel in love to our​

lost { Jewish or Gentile } neighbors, eh?​

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

The Better we know and agree on "What God Is Doing Today, Under Grace",
the Better we can "love [ all ] our neighbors, no matter their ethnicity, eh?

Amen.

 

[HealthyShape]

All Godless, far-left, worldly people.

Someone with a nickname @RepentingChristian should stop lying, stop giving false witness.

We will have to give account from our each word, remember that. You do not have any blank check to say any nonsense you like.

 

[Wrangler]

Someone with a nickname @RepentingChristian should stop lying, stop giving false witness.

We will have to give account from our each word, remember that. You do not have any blank check to say any nonsense you like.

Help me understand this post @HealthyShape. In context, he was agreeing with your reply to @Big Boy Johnson.

Fact check:

1. Not when they defend themselves, but when they intentionally cause mass civilian casualties and intentionally enlarge the suffering of the civilians.

2. Not "the liberals", but the UN, the Genocide Watch, International Association of Genocide Scholars, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, International Criminal Court, International Court of Justice and many other similar organizations. Also countries like Ireland, South Africa, Belgium, Bolivia, Ecuador, Spain...

And he categorized this group of specific groups with the genus expression.

All Godless, far-left, worldly people.

That is, "All Godless, far-left, worldly" bash Israel for defending itself. Yet, you accuse him of lying and giving false witness when he is merely stating his opinion, chose words to categorize a long laundry list of groups ... Agh, I get it now! He wasn't agreeing with your Israel attacking post but properly categorizing the laundry list your provided. You meant the list to be impressively authoritative but he called you out on relying on Godless, far-left, worldly people - as @big boy Johnson also stated. Interesting exchange.

In your Godless, far-left, world view, it is OK for enemies of Israel to "intentionally cause mass civilian casualties and intentionally enlarge the suffering of the civilians" but not for Israel to reciprocate in kind, which is an act of justice. 1st, I deny the validity of your accusation against Israel. 2nd, I deny it is wrong in any way to reject the modern feminized view to not attack civilians, who were until WWII, the primary target of the military since war begin. For instance, Rome would salt farm lands, resulting in the starvation of the civilians and the military so that by next Spring, the enemy was easily defeated.

when Israel defends itself in war the liberals (devil people) always claim in the news media that Israel is committing genocide

Agreed. Evidently, @HealthyShape has fallen victim to the indoctrination by the Globalist propagandists. Also, there is a profound lack of humility in @HealthyShape's post here. Let me explain.

Fact check:

1. Not when they defend themselves, but when they intentionally cause mass civilian casualties and intentionally enlarge the suffering of the civilians.

2. Not "the liberals", but the UN, the Genocide Watch, International Association of Genocide Scholars, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, International Criminal Court, International Court of Justice and many other similar organizations. Also countries like Ireland, South Africa, Belgium, Bolivia, Ecuador, Spain...

He starts off putting himself on a pedestal by claiming to be a fact checker but then does not list facts but only his opinions. It's there for all to see;

• His opinions, he categorizes as "facts."
• Other people's opinions, he categorizes as "lying" and false witness.
• Slandering Israel, is AOK. Telling the truth about those who slander Israel, NOK.

 

[HealthyShape]

Help me understand this post @HealthyShape. In context, he was agreeing with your reply to @Big Boy Johnson.



And he categorized this group of specific groups with the genus expression



That is, "All Godless, far-left, worldly" bash Israel for defending itself. Yet, you accuse him of lying and giving false witness when he is merely stating his opinion, chose words to categorize a long laundry list of groups ... Agh, I get it now! He wasn't agreeing with your Israel attacking post but properly categorizing the laundry list your provided. You meant the list to be impressively authoritative but he called you out on relying on Godless, far-left, worldly people - as @big boy Johnson also stated. Interesting exchange.

In your Godless, far-left, world view, it is OK for enemies of Israel to "intentionally cause mass civilian casualties and intentionally enlarge the suffering of the civilians" but not for Israel to reciprocate in kind, which is an act of justice. 1st, I deny the validity of your accusation against Israel. 2nd, I deny it is wrong in any way to reject the modern feminized view to not attack civilians, who were until WWII, the primary target of the military since war begin. For instance, Rome would salt farm lands, resulting in the starvation of the civilians and the military so that by next Spring, the enemy was easily defeated.


Agreed. Evidently, @HealthyShape has fallen victim to the indoctrination by the Globalist propagandists.

I could basically say to you what I said to @RepentingChristian. Stop spreading lies, false witness and baseless speculations.

 

[Wrangler]

Stop spreading lies, false witness and baseless speculations.

Typical Leftist projection.

 

[HealthyShape]

Typical Leftist projection.

Yeah, yeah - it really shows that you and many others here are not a part of any healthy church. Imagine to behave like this in a church towards others.

The lack of healthy examples and of patterns of Christian behavior is visible in many "without a church" believers. Isolation leads to extremism, "black-and-white" views and fanaticism.

The constant dismissal of experts and buying simple propaganda watched on youtube instead is just one of the signs.

 

[Wrangler]

Yeah, yeah - it really shows that you and many others here are not a part of any healthy church. Imagine to behave like this in a church towards others.

The lack of healthy examples and patters of Christian behavior is visible in many "without a church" believers. Isolation leads to extremism and fanaticism.

You mean like lying in calling others genocidal murderers?

Your posts remind me of a vid I saw yesterday. I guy asked a chic a question. She didn't want to answer, so asked him a question. He was confused and just repeated his question. She said she felt that he was deflecting. This is projection. She was the one deflecting!

 

[HealthyShape]

You mean like lying in calling others genocidal murderers?

Your posts remind me of a vid I saw yesterday. I guy asked a chic a question. She didn't want to answer, so asked him a question. He was confused and just repeated his question. She said she felt that he was deflecting. This is projection. She was the one deflecting!

I am not interested in talking to you, sorry. You do not even belong to Christians Only section of the forums, because you are not an orthodox Christian. So it is a waste of time.

Find a good church, get the correction there and stop living your "Christianity" online.

 

[Wrangler]

The constant dismissal of experts

Are we not all equal in Christ? The constant appeal to so-called experts does not take away your responsibility to think, come to your own conclusions, act and stand before God accountable for it all.

In our system, the experts vote counts as much as anyone else's. Your fallacy is Appeal to Authority, like those who use capital-S "Science" as a way to avoid political debate. I know you suppose I should accept these authorities and not my lying eyes. They may be your authority but they are not other people's authority.

Perhaps Leftists, such as yourself, have succumbed to every Tom, Dick & Harry who claims to have authority over you. Conservatives reject such ploys, knowing we are free by the grace of God, and those who are freed by the son are free, indeed. You seem unaware of the demonic influences and spiritual warfare taking place around us. Sad.

A high price has been paid for your freedom, so don’t devalue God’s investment by becoming a slave to people.
1 Corinthians 7:2 (Voice)

I will stand with Israel, so help me God!

 

[RepentingChristian]

Agh, I get it now! He wasn't agreeing with your Israel attacking post

I didn't attack Israel. You must have confused me for someone else.

 

[Wrangler]

I didn't attack Israel. You must have confused me for someone else.

I know. My point was @HealthyShape was attacking Israel.

 

[Button]

I know. My point was @HealthyShape was attacking Israel.

Just what Israel needs.
Haters attacking them on-line.
Imagine if haters in the Net could lob bombs and grenades. They would.

The ones that hate Israel but justify it as righteous in hating Zionists are the worst on-line.