Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Wrangler]

you apparently want freedom to be unconditional to the point where your will can dictate to God

Immature post. We have God given rights. And he first right to our life is the right to defend it. No dictating other than JW pacifism.

I can’t believe you said that.....this kind of reasoning is extremely immature

It’s not immature one little bit to show how you pick and choose how strict to adhere to what the Bible commands.

Another argument you lost. Rather than be grace-filled about it, you AGAIN resort to Ad Hominem.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I said if I had time! I got better things to do … At ER for wife. Sobe’s posts weren’t even directed to me.

You lost the argument. Having someone else repeat it, doesn’t change the fact.

LOL...and there are the lame excuses.....sorry about your wife.....but you have time to post here, but not time to address every illegitimate point @soberxp has made regarding your support for governments that God himself is going to take down with no human help at all. (Daniel 2:44)

You are supporting man’s kingdoms whilst ignoring God’s.....and disobediently supporting the use of satanically inspired weapons, sold to make money for the warmongers you support. Follow the money trail and see where it leads. In a world ruled by the devil, there are no good guys with weapons.

Immature post. We have God given rights. And he first right to our life is the right to defend it. No dictating other than JW pacifism.

That is where you are sadly wrong again Wrangler....we do have the right to defend ourselves on an individual basis, but never with the intent to do grievous bodily harm.......we as Christians, are not to defend our countries with carnal weapons of mass destruction, nor politically by defending governments in a dying world...all the while disobeying the teachings of Jesus Christ, whom you vainly claim to serve. You cannot even see the contradiction, nor do you read the unambiguous scriptures quoted to you....pretending that they are not there will not make them go away. It’s the Bible that presents your greatest challenge....

It’s not immature one little bit to show how you pick and choose how strict to adhere to what the Bible commands.

Another argument you lost. Rather than be grace-filled about it, you AGAIN resort to Ad Hominem.

Telling yourself that someone else has lost an argument you are determined not to even hear is beyond reasonable and mature debate. You pretend that there is no argument.....again...a big mistake. It will come back to bite you.....wake up mate....it’s not too late.....until it is.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Hitler did a lot of good for his country (at least until the war) and was adored by many. But he clearly wasn't a good man.

It would be a good thing if the Iranian regime gets toppled with this war, for the Iranian people and the Middle East situation in general, but that wouldn't mean Trump is a good man.

Hitler was just playing the German People, That's why he was put in Power ! It was all a setup ! and the People were clearly Played for fools.
This is the issue that should of been taken hold of and educated the People of the world with ! but No !
Remember that this world is full of delusions and deceptions !
The Media was involved in much of the Crime ! were they exposed ? so that people had an education on the workings of a Media ! big mistake in not educating the People on such.
They did clean up the Media with systems in place after WW2, but the safety of such issues were pulled out of place over time from the 1990's on. I remember my dad saying in such regards to such being dismanteled, Was a Huge mistake that will bite us all in the arse down the track ! We were being Played !

The Iran regime was clearly way out of control ! deadly Evil in fact ! it was on a path to a War of total madness ! They built up arms like a fool and clearly wanted to kill the Jews ! and in fact strike the USA and Israel with Nucler weapons ! They made no secret of such !

As soon as Iran became a Nuclear Power Israel would of had to strike Iran first in fact !

So thank God for Trump that that did not have to happen !
No thanks to Socialist Governments of Europe at all !!! They are all total Morons and evil as hell in all of this, for they peddle their nonsense so for Iran to keep on with this War !

The whole world should outright condem Iran's Dominanation over the People of Iran ! and be as one united against such total Evil bastards ! but No !
They incorrage this idiot foolish Death Cult Iran in fact !
Clearly they have no real true regards the shipments of Oil Gas etc !
Such as That intent, clearly totaly proves that the Socialist West has no regards their own Nations People economy ! not to mention such Socialist as they, have clearly been undermining such for years in fact ! in kicking their own Nations People around as 2ed class people in fact ! not to mention totaly guilty of swamping their own Nations People with others who clearly only hate them.

 

[Jack]

Not even one tiny bit. I am against murder, corruption, child trafficking, and satanic/false god worship.

What does that have to do with Israel???

We should be bringing Christ to the Jews .....AND the fake Jews ....and Gentiles, etc, etc. Why are you obsessed with supporting genocides and child trafficking and calling that godly?

Your question is a WHOPPER!

 

[Jack]

Rom 2:28-29

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

2Co 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Rom 2:28-29

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

2Co 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

You totally evaded the issue. Israel is not the church! Do you think you're Israel?

 

[Jack]

Those who subscribe to Replacement Theology won’t like that.

Isn't it like trying to steal Israel's identity?

 

[Jack]

I trust Trump as much as any man, not as we trust in God or Jesus or Angelic messengers, but as we functionally trust in any man who has proven to be trustworthy in his area.

For instance, I trust the local shop keeper to open and stay open at the appointed times. Same with a friend who said he’d come over for the BBQ at the appointed time. Of course, there could be exceptions.

One was dear friends has problem with their dog who ended up needing surgery. As I recall, they arrived 45 minutes later than originally planned. Does this mean my trust in them is destroyed? No.

The Strawman argument to suppose we ought to have absolute trust in any human being in order to support Israel is absurd!

I trust Trump a HECK of a lot more than I do politicians! Especially more than the baby murdering Dems!

 

[Wrangler]

LOL...and there are the lame excuses.....sorry about your wife.....

Mocker. I see the words that you are sorry but don't feel the sincerity.

but you have time to post here, but not time to address every illegitimate point @soberxp has made

That's right. Feel free to re-read the dozens of posts I've already made in the winning argument. God is a warrior and so are we, being made in his image, commanded to DO JUSTICE, buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar's + facts of history, millions of Christians for centuries have used violence to survive. You got nothing to say about how violence Christ will be as the 1st act of his 2nd coming, to smite his enemies, and the last act, to raise the judged from the dead to be annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

Here is the story of the most blessed among women. Not the mother of Jesus, who is merely blessed. The most blessed woman is so because she used violence as an act of justice. Judges 5:24-27
24 “Most blessed among women is Jael,
the wife of Heber the Kenite.
May she be blessed above all women who live in tents.
25 Sisera asked for water,
and she gave him milk.
In a bowl fit for nobles,
she brought him yogurt.
26 Then with her left hand she reached for a tent peg,
and with her right hand for the workman’s hammer.
She struck Sisera with the hammer, crushing his head.
With a shattering blow, she pierced his temples.
27 He sank, he fell,
he lay still at her feet.
And where he sank,
there he died.

 

[Wrangler]

Isn't it like trying to steal Israel's identity?

It's a good question. While fully refuted, the AJ's of the world won't touch being corrected here:

SETTLING THE FALSE THEORY OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

Is Israel bad? Do you pray for Israel? Are the 144,000 from the 12 tribes future ethic Jewish firstfruits? Answer my question first, then I'll answer yours.

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Wrangler]

I trust Trump a HECK of a lot more than I do politicians! Especially more than the baby murdering Dems!

Another great point Jack. I watch a Youtube Channel Devory Darkins. He balances the propagandists sharing made to make news polls of Trump numbers by comparing them to the Demonrats in Congress. He's only polling 41% but the Demonrats are polling 11%, making him 4x more popular than them.

TDS blinds haters to 2 things that keep his coalition strong: public policy of nationalism and results driven. Any attacks on his personal character - no matter how true - are irrelevant to the reasons we hired him.

Remember in Star Wars when chancellor Vallorum wanted to help the people of Naboo but the blue alien whispered in his ears? Palpatine observed the bureaucrats sap his power in PROCESS and the chancellor concedes the point to allow a time consuming process to unfold. This is the Demonrat strategy via law fare and all these injunctions. We see the evil that is afoot. He did the right thing but did it the wrong way? His supporters don't care about process. Get it done!

And as you so concisely pointed out, these 'moralists' are one to talk as they support unrestricted baby killing, pedophilia, every sexual deviation and every abuse of power on their side.

 

[Jack]

Another great point Jack. I watch a Youtube Channel Devory Darkins. He balances the propagandists sharing made to make news polls of Trump numbers by comparing them to the Demonrats in Congress. He's only polling 41% but the Demonrats are polling 11%, making him 4x more popular than them.

TDS blinds haters to 2 things that keep his coalition strong: public policy of nationalism and results driven. Any attacks on his personal character - no matter how true - are irrelevant to the reasons we hired him.

Remember in Star Wars when chancellor Vallorum wanted to help the people of Naboo but the blue alien whispered in his ears? Palpatine observed the bureaucrats sap his power in PROCESS and the chancellor concedes the point to allow a time consuming process to unfold. This is the Demonrat strategy via law fare and all these injunctions. We see the evil that is afoot. He did the right thing but did it the wrong way? His supporters don't care about process. Get it done!

And as you so concisely pointed out, these 'moralists' are one to talk as they support unrestricted baby killing, pedophilia, every sexual deviation and every abuse of power on their side.

DemonRats indeed! I will have to check out Devory Darkins on Youtube. Thanks.

 

[Jay Ross]

Many Christians have supported the false narrative that the Nation of Israel needed to return to the Land of Canaan, but this is not in keeping with the covenant portion that God gave to Jacob on his way up to Haran to get a wife.



In Genesis 46, Jacob did not want to go down to Egypt until God had spoken to him to tell Jacob that He would in the distant future gather the nation to Himself again

With this assurance Jacob went down to Egypt with peace in his heart.

God when He begins to gather the nation of Israel to Himself He in Ezekiel tells Israel that He will gather them to Himself and plant them in Israel's fertile soil.

If we are to support the nation of Israel, we need to convey this above truth to them.

 

[ProDeo]

Trumps Post:
There will be nothing like it!!! Open the F..... Strait, you crazy b....., or you’ll be living in H...- JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah.”
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Reading between the (cursing and profanity) lines, the word panic springs to mind.

Trump has to make a very hard decision the coming days, you can not keep threatening like this and then do nothing once again. Whatever decision he will make it is a classic -/- case.

Boots on the ground in the "Strait of Death" is not a recommend option.

Words spoken by a so called "Born Again Christian President" of the United States.
And that sums it up.
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Paula White should tell him.

 

[Jack]

Amos 9:14-15 (NKJV)
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

All the Israel wannabees on Earth CAN'T remove them!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Mocker. I see the words that you are sorry but don't feel the sincerity.

Mocker? I was sorry for your wife...not you....sincerity is not something you seem have in great quantity yourself.....you can’t be wrong and even when shown the Scriptural evidence for your error, you double down and grab hold of someone like Jack when he makes most of us cringe with how little he knows about anything.

That's right. Feel free to re-read the dozens of posts I've already made in the winning argument. God is a warrior and so are we, being made in his image, commanded to DO JUSTICE, buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar's + facts of history, millions of Christians for centuries have used violence to survive. You got nothing to say about how violence Christ will be as the 1st act of his 2nd coming, to smite his enemies, and the last act, to raise the judged from the dead to be annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

Don’t look now Wrangler but you aren’t Jesus Christ....nor are you part of his army.
You twist Scripture to accommodate your love of violence, and to justify your political position...tell it to Jesus....you’ll have an opportunity.....but be prepared for his response.

Here is the story of the most blessed among women. Not the mother of Jesus, who is merely blessed. The most blessed woman is so because she used violence as an act of justice. Judges 5:24-27
24 “Most blessed among women is Jael,
the wife of Heber the Kenite.
May she be blessed above all women who live in tents.
25 Sisera asked for water,
and she gave him milk.
In a bowl fit for nobles,
she brought him yogurt.
26 Then with her left hand she reached for a tent peg,
and with her right hand for the workman’s hammer.
She struck Sisera with the hammer, crushing his head.
With a shattering blow, she pierced his temples.
27 He sank, he fell,
he lay still at her feet.
And where he sank,
there he died.

Do you know the background of this story? Obviously not. You have reverted to ancient Israel again....this is not Christianity......what make you think it is even relevant to this argument?

Again, if you read @soberxp’s info regarding those OT situations, you would have nothing to say.
Ignorance is bliss to you....others have read it and it has made you look foolish. Inform yourself....please.

When Jesus said to “pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar”...he was talking about taxes. He never advocated violence for his disciples...the swords were not supposed to be used, as Jesus reprimanded Peter for using one. You keep ignoring this.

You take everything out of context and misapply it to suit your own views.....Jack thinks your pro-political Israel views are wonderful. I’m not sure that works in your favour....
Don’t talk to him about ECT...will you? He wants to send everyone to hell.

 

[Jack]

You take everything out of context and misapply it to suit your own views.....

Lord have mercy. You just described WatchTower puppets perfectly.

Jack thinks your pro-political Israel views are wonderful. I’m not sure that works in your favour....
Don’t talk to him about ECT...will you? He wants to send everyone to hell.

You're wrong Aunty. I'm so glad you're not in Hell yet!

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

Revelation 21:8

 

[Wrangler]

Many Christians have supported the false narrative that the Nation of Israel needed to return to the Land of Canaan, but this is not in keeping with the covenant portion that God gave to Jacob on his way up to Haran to get a wife.

It's not consistent with Mary Had A Little Lamb either but if you look FOR Scriptural support, you might just find it.

 

[Lizbeth]

Mocker. I see the words that you are sorry but don't feel the sincerity.


That's right. Feel free to re-read the dozens of posts I've already made in the winning argument. God is a warrior and so are we, being made in his image, commanded to DO JUSTICE, buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar's + facts of history, millions of Christians for centuries have used violence to survive. You got nothing to say about how violence Christ will be as the 1st act of his 2nd coming, to smite his enemies, and the last act, to raise the judged from the dead to be annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

Here is the story of the most blessed among women. Not the mother of Jesus, who is merely blessed. The most blessed woman is so because she used violence as an act of justice. Judges 5:24-27
24 “Most blessed among women is Jael,
the wife of Heber the Kenite.
May she be blessed above all women who live in tents.
25 Sisera asked for water,
and she gave him milk.
In a bowl fit for nobles,
she brought him yogurt.
26 Then with her left hand she reached for a tent peg,
and with her right hand for the workman’s hammer.
She struck Sisera with the hammer, crushing his head.
With a shattering blow, she pierced his temples.
27 He sank, he fell,
he lay still at her feet.
And where he sank,
there he died.

Ezr 9:8
“And now for a little while grace has been shown from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a peg in His holy place, that our God may enlighten our eyes and give us a measure of revival in our bondage.

Isa 22:23
I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place,
And he will become a glorious throne to his father's house.

Isa 22:25
‘In that day,' says the LORD of hosts, ‘the peg that is fastened in the secure place will be removed and be cut down and fall, and the burden that was on it will be cut off; for the LORD has spoken.' ”

Zec 10:4
From him comes the cornerstone,
From him the tent peg,
From him the battle bow,
From him every ruler together.

The lesson about the tent peg ....is not carnal. It is a prophetic spiritual lesson....it was looking ahead to Jesus and the gospel. Our weapons are not carnal. And the most blessed of women is the church.....as Mary was type/figure of the church as well....Christ being formed in us and given birth to, as it were, in the new birth.

 

[Lizbeth]

Hitler was just playing the German People, That's why he was put in Power ! It was all a setup ! and the People were clearly Played for fools.
This is the issue that should of been taken hold of and educated the People of the world with ! but No !
Remember that this world is full of delusions and deceptions !
The Media was involved in much of the Crime ! were they exposed ? so that people had an education on the workings of a Media ! big mistake in not educating the People on such.
They did clean up the Media with systems in place after WW2, but the safety of such issues were pulled out of place over time from the 1990's on. I remember my dad saying in such regards to such being dismanteled, Was a Huge mistake that will bite us all in the arse down the track ! We were being Played !

The Iran regime was clearly way out of control ! deadly Evil in fact ! it was on a path to a War of total madness ! They built up arms like a fool and clearly wanted to kill the Jews ! and in fact strike the USA and Israel with Nucler weapons ! They made no secret of such !

As soon as Iran became a Nuclear Power Israel would of had to strike Iran first in fact !

So thank God for Trump that that did not have to happen !
No thanks to Socialist Governments of Europe at all !!! They are all total Morons and evil as hell in all of this, for they peddle their nonsense so for Iran to keep on with this War !

The whole world should outright condem Iran's Dominanation over the People of Iran ! and be as one united against such total Evil bastards ! but No !
They incorrage this idiot foolish Death Cult Iran in fact !
Clearly they have no real true regards the shipments of Oil Gas etc !
Such as That intent, clearly totaly proves that the Socialist West has no regards their own Nations People economy ! not to mention such Socialist as they, have clearly been undermining such for years in fact ! in kicking their own Nations People around as 2ed class people in fact ! not to mention totaly guilty of swamping their own Nations People with others who clearly only hate them.

Well, we really shouldn't be surprised at this world being a wicked and evil place (and will remain so til the end of time when Jesus returns and it all burns up)......but the Lord is sovereignly ruling over it all. We're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities in high places. Therefore our weapons are not carnal. The church of Jesus Christ doesn't belong to this world, our citizenship is in heaven and this world is not our business, it is God's business. We're supposed to consider ourselves as foreigners passing through this world....ambassadors of another kingdom - a heavenly kingdom. Our business is just the gospel, though of course we may pray concerning circumstances in the world. We need to be distanced from this world and keep our eyes looking up, otherwise we will be distracted from the Lord and the gospel through being snared and entangled with earthly things. Cares of this world chokes the FRUIT....that is a real problem and temptation. We're seeing it with the church in spades these days. And big name ministries use it all to keep the people stirred up in the flesh and interested so their donations and book purchases will keep coming in.

Here is another danger......if we are too invested in this world we may find ourselves fighting against God. His will. When Israel was being taken over and captive by Babylon as God's judgment......the Lord told His people not to fight, but to submit to their new rulers. Many of those who fought died and those who submitted themselves to the will of God and His judgment lived. Selah.

 

[Marvelloustime]

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