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  1. mychael

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    It seems to me that these scriptures are saying something of importance for our age.
    Obadiah1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
    4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
    I never heard a North American Preacher ever do a sermon on this. Perhaps no one wants to rock the boat and wake the people up.
     
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    God clearly states to Man what he has been given authority to do
    Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
    Genesis 1:29 ¶And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
    Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
     
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    Addressing the OP, how is this to do with outer space? this is what happen to Satan, "PRIDE" and was cut down to the ground. as as with any man who lift, or exalt him or herself.

    so what's the outer space connection?.

    PICJAG.
     
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    It clearly points to space travel, not satan only. satan can go to and fro to space as much as he want's and does until he doesn't. That is until God puts a stop to it. But it is a prophecy concerning men's endeavors and because they can do this and have achieved much, they become full of themselves. but it most definitely is a prophecy for our time. Quite amazing if you ask me. And some would say God does not exist. Whether or not man should, that would beg to ask is it a sin?
     
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    just don't see it that way. not saying that you're in error, but hope you find your answer.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Convenient. Some people just cannot let their yes be yes and their no , no. And for sure because I see it and say, you will no doubt deny simple as to defy, because it comes from me.
    The Obadiah prophecy is about the destruction of Edom.
    Looking at Obadiah in Context , from which the pretext is taken, we can see it is something that Yes is for now but also speaks of a continual assault on Jacob (Israel). Though the Edom Jew was driven out of the land of Edom in ancient times, the prophecy does speak of future too more so in a - so forth and so on way. Which is made clear toward the end of the Context when fully read. It was only about a year ago that the nation of Israel ,actually the (Edom)nation within Israel, joined the space race.
    DAILY CALLER:
    Israel will launch its spacecraft dubbed “Beresheet,” or “beginning” in Hebrew, in the nation’s first mission to land on the Moon’s surface. The unmanned craft is set to launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station Thursday, attached to a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

    The craft was developed by Israeli nonprofit SpaceIL as well as the state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries. Beresheet it is scheduled to launch at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station 8:45 p.m. EST and expected to land on the lunar surface on April 11.

    In this prophecy the past , present and future behavior and practices of Edom toward Israel is addressed. And not necessarily in that order. It concludes with the complete destruction of Edom in the nation of Israel. A nation within a nation if you will. The end of Esau's Edom lineage forever that is the nonkosher of it, that has the defiling Marker (DNA) of a Nephilim blood line. That has not happened yet and you will see that as you read in FULL CONTEXT you may not admit that you see it now as I have directed you to it.
    The Destruction of Edom
    Obadiah 1:
    The Destruction of Edom
    (2 Chronicles 20:1-4)

    1This is the vision of Obadiah:

    This is what the Lord GOD says about Edom—

    We have heard a message from the LORD;

    an envoy has been sent among the nations

    to say, “Rise up,

    and let us go to battle against her!”— 2“Behold, I will make you small among the nations;

    you will be deeply despised. 3The pride of your heart has deceived you,

    O dwellers in the clefts of the rocks

    whose habitation is the heights,

    who say in your heart,

    ‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’ 4Though you soar like the eagle

    and make your nest among the stars,

    even from there I will bring you down,”

    declares the LORD. 5“If thieves came to you,

    if robbers by night—

    oh, how you will be ruined—

    would they not steal only what they wanted?

    If grape pickers came to you,

    would they not leave some gleanings? 6But how Esau will be pillaged,

    his hidden treasures sought out! 7All the men allied with you

    will drive you to the border;

    the men at peace with you

    will deceive and overpower you.

    Those who eat your bread

    will set a trap for you,

    without your awareness of it. 8In that day, declares the LORD,

    will I not destroy the wise men of Edom

    and the men of understanding

    in the mountains of Esau? 9Then your mighty men, O Teman, (I bet you think the mountains of Esau is a place ) See now is the time of all that which is hidden is to be revealed. God tells us exactly of the mountains of Esau who he will destroy completely.
    Chief Teman of Edom, who was a son of Eliphaz, the son of Esau and Adah the Hittite (Genesis 36:11, 36:15). This chief Teman is probably the same as the one mentioned in Genesis 36:42, and probably also gave his name to the next Teman: If you have read anything I have written, I have said the Hititites are of Nephilim bloodline. Esau had two wives from such. But that Blood line has permeated all that is today , called Edom and is in opposition to the TRUE ISRAEL the Remnant.
    Continued......
    will be terrified,

    so that everyone in the mountains of Esau ( In the Lineage which is great why it is called mountains and Jacob is called the remnant- Isaiah 10:20 A Remnant of Israel Shall Return
    20On that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer depend on him who struck them, but they will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. 21A remnant will return—a remnant of Jacob—to the Mighty God.…
    God speaks of the disasters which comes upon Jacob all throughout the Context of this Obadiah chp. The plotters are none other than the Edom Jew. As they were with Christ. They allow and egg on what comes upon Israel. They hide in the bunkers under and in the clefts of the mountains that they have set up to save themselves. While they have plotted the destruction of Jacob because they have found Yeshua to be their Lord , the Messiah and the Edom Jew hates that.)
    will be cut down in the slaughter. 10Because of the violence against your brother Jacob,

    you will be covered with shame

    and cut off forever. 11On the day you stood aloof

    while strangers carried off his wealth

    and foreigners entered his gate

    and cast lots for Jerusalem,

    you were just like one of them. 12But you should not gloat in that day,

    your brother’s day of misfortune,

    nor rejoice over the people of Judah

    in the day of their destruction,

    nor boast proudly

    in the day of their distress. 13You should not enter the gate of My people

    in the day of their disaster,

    nor gloat over their affliction

    in the day of their disaster,

    nor loot their wealth

    in the day of their disaster. 14Nor should you stand at the crossroads

    to cut off their fugitives,

    nor deliver up their survivors

    in the day of their distress. 15For the Day of the LORD is near

    for all the nations.
    (the Day of the Lord CLEARLY HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, so my understanding is correct. It is the sixth seal.)
    Rev.6
    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (This is before His second coming, a sign before His time).

    Continued......
     
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    As you have done, it will be done to you;



    your recompense will return upon your own head. 16For as you drank on My holy mountain,



    so all the nations will drink continually.



    They will drink and gulp it down



    and become as if they had never existed. 17But on Mount Zion there will be deliverance,



    and it will be holy,



    and the house of Jacob



    will reclaim their possession. 18Then the house of Jacob will be a blazing fire,



    and the house of Joseph a burning flame;



    but the house of Esau will be stubble—



    Jacob will set it ablaze and consume it.



    Therefore no survivor will remain



    from the house of Esau.”



    For the LORD has spoken. 19Those from the Negev will possess the mountains of Esau;



    those from the foothillsd will possess the land of the Philistines.



    They will occupy the fields of Ephraim and Samaria,

    I have not given all the meaning to this, I share that with my friends. But I revealed enough as I do with all my post, to prove my point. I never put all my eggs into one basket. A lot of plotters and thieves out there. I give enough to hopefully encourage growth in truth.God opens up to the rest.



    and Benjamin will possess Gilead. 20And the exiles of this host of the Israelites



    will possess the land of the Canaanites as far as Zarephath;



    and the exiles from Jerusalem who are in Sepharad



    will possess the cities of the Negev.



    21The deliverers will ascende Mount Zion



    to rule over the mountains of Esau.



    And the kingdom will belong to the LORD.
     
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    Israel will be Holy at this point. Those of Rev.14 and Rev.7 will dwell their on Mount Zion - The City of David. Those who survive the sixth seal who are not the divine assembly in The City of David, will be taught from Israel the undiluted eternal gospel. A lot is coming, it will all be in God's time.The sixth seal will be the shortening of the Tribulation events as promised by Christ or else no one would survive.The tribulation events will resume and this is when the dragon the ancient serpent wages war on the offspring. The sixth seal is the adjoining of the two sticks as one. It will precipitate the wedding feast of the Lamb the Hallelujah Rev.19.

    Ezekiel 37
    One Nation with One King

    15Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 16“And you, son of man, take a single stick and write on it: ‘Belonging to Judah and to the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick and write on it: ‘Belonging to Joseph—the stick of Ephraim—and to all the house of Israel associated with him.’ 17Then join them together into one stick, so that they become one in your hand. 18When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you explain to us what you mean by these?’ 19you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel associated with him, and I will put them together with the stick of Judah. I will make them into a single stick, and they will become one in My hand.’ 20When the sticks on which you write are in your hand and in full view of the people, 21you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. 22I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations (SEE TWO NATIONS AS I SAID AS ONE )and will never again be divided into two kingdoms. 23They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which they sinned,c and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God.(After the Edom of Esau are removed)24My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes. 25They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever. 26And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. 27My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.d 28Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’”

    The sixth seal is a BLESSING, the Elect out of gentile nations Rev.14 and out of the twelve tribes of Israel Rev.7will be one. Judah and Joseph , Joseph means those out of gentile nations for Joseph was exulted in a gentile nation . He was a precursor to Christ who is greatly honored among the gentiles.
    Judah= those sealed out of all the tribes of Israel JACOB not Esau. The twelve Tribes come out of Jacob's seed not Esau's.
     
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    Must be a Full Moon.....
     
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    Must be and it is under my feet.
     
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    I would not say that such a limit has been placed on those who are in Christ.

    Hebrews 1
    "God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."
     
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    Hebrews 1:1-3 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
    1 In days gone by, God spoke in many and varied ways to the Fathers through the prophets. 2 But now, in the acharit-hayamim, he has spoken to us through his Son, to whom he has given ownership of everything and through whom he created the universe. 3 This Son is the radiance of the Sh’khinah, the very expression of God’s essence, upholding all that exists by his powerful word; and after he had, through himself, made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of HaG’dulah BaM’romim.
     
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    Casting away the 'pseudo' , wish he could be the Lord- lucifer, who fell like lightning from heaven.No more a superstar , lost his glory like keys to a car , he went supernova ,mental, thinking he could rock the Throne of God as the Master and Creator! As though he made the earth and the universe and all that is in them??? Didn't even make himself , go figure???! he's lucky that he is even a breeze, a sneeze, the prince of the power of the air. But even that has a time stamp put on it! His fate..... sealed at the Last trumpet! When time is up, he will be put in his prison. he is on a leash right now, can only do what God let's him do til time is UP! Even he is under the authority of Him who tells the seas relax be still, chill. That is authority ! But he like wind- a blowhard till he is no more is relocated to time , eternity not his friend, because he will spend it feening for a friend in Jesus. Like wind that passes, no real presents and not everywhere, the one who is called betrayer of God , the devil, given a low seat beneath even the lowest beast of the earth!

    Omnipresent not him! Omnipresent is the state of the CREATOR not the one who feens for the throne ,the One Who made the throne. He lost even his announcer spot .
    All Praise to the Man who raises men above angels. Oh how it must feel for one once a heavenly being cast down to the dust , to be put beneath the foot of a lesser creature MAN !Those Elect of man are exulted to the right hand of the Father in Jesus the Christ.
     
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    A Writers Rites can be a Languish in Anguish. To put the Thought into a proper Understanding of Language.

    Wow quite a few responses. Touchy subject for some a nerve was hit. I don't push my beliefs on anyone however this is the way I see it.
    So you don't think Satan and certain ones of mankind could have anything in common with these scriptures as well as the Genesis scripture which I pointed out what God allowed mankind to have dominion over? How about the Tower of Babel? (there is a lot more in the Bible that tells what a person is lawfully allowed) Sometimes scripture is use in a connotation instead of a denotation, Jesus used the metaphor of Jonas' 3 days in the belly of a large fish in a form of a connotation.
    Is it so necessary for man to go to the moon or mars that They might destroy their very own planet just to get there? Could radio tv and gossip hardened us over the decades to think whats wrong is right? We all have to come out of Babylon to see the truth. I maintain my main theme to my posts so far, we need to wake up....to remember our true identity. The Word is the sword we're given through the Holy Spirit but we must all learn to use it more responsibly. Many stumble with this I seen with some of the comments I've got to read on this site. United with God we will Stand, Divided by Satan and we will fall. Many who are first will be last. The Lord will grant Wisdom though to those show themselves worthy. Why will severe tribulation be the only way most will see. We are sometimes given a Messenger with an important message. Wake up its on our doorsteps. When the original disciples went out preaching they never took any of the written scriptures with them they counted instead on the Holy Spirit. Never underestimate what it can be said through the Holy Spirit to a people in a certain age. It can bring meanings out of the Bible not taught by the blind leaders of an age.
     
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    Thanks for chiming in. Well put! Some interesting questions to ponder. Conditioning , can be difficult to come out of.
     
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    Been trying to wake up people to this for a while. Actually, I have found many have not even ventured to read it.
     
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    Isn't it interesting that Israel dubbed its spacecraft "Beresheet" -"Beginning". This is to point to a Genesis, concerning their venture.
    DAILY CALLER:
    Israel will launch its spacecraft dubbed “Beresheet,” or “beginning” in Hebrew, in the nation’s first mission to land on the Moon’s surface. The unmanned craft is set to launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station Thursday, attached to a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

    The craft was developed by Israeli nonprofit SpaceIL as well as the state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries. Beresheet it is scheduled to launch at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station 8:45 p.m. EST and expected to land on the lunar surface on April 11.
     
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    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    Not to put too fine a point on this a lot of people are already in outer space, except it is not outer it is inner...their heads. They couldn't put together one sensible remark to save their lives.
     
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    Not sure what you mean?
     
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