Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

[Truth7t7]

You conveniently omitted the Zechariah 14:16-20 verses which show different than what you say.

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

(Destroyed Them All) When Jesus Is Revealed "All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Truth7t7]

The false doctrine called Amillennialism is a 2nd century A.D. invention when the Greek Gnostics began creeping in among Christ's Church and spreading false doctrine. It deceived many then, and is still doing so today.

Also, anyone can chop up God's written Word and make it say what they want by intentionally leaving out Scripture that says otherwise...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

Isa 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

Ps 2:8-12
8 Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
KJV

Rev 2:26-27
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.
KJV

Rev 19:15-16
15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
KJV

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[William Barton]

See Revelation 20:1-6 for the millenium.
See Revelation 20:11-15 for the judgement after the millenium.
After that no more tears (Revelation 21:1-4).

 

[Gottservant]

No one person completes the will of God, as if to say that the Judgment of God is all that is needed.

If you are dealing with God, you need to think of Christ; if you are thinking of Christ, you need to be thinking of the Holy Spirit - and so on and so forth.

 

[William Barton]

"They came to life and reigned with Christ 1000 years" (Revelation 20:2,7).
It's in the Book.

 

[Scott Downey]

"They came to life and reigned with Christ 1000 years" (Revelation 20:2,7).
It's in the Book.

KJ21
And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

AMP
And then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom judgment [that is, the authority to act as judges] was given. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had refused to worship the beast or his image, and had not accepted his mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4, some translations use 'came to life', some say lived. When people are believing in Christ, they have passed from death into life, (John 5:24), so they are spiritually alive even if physically dead. So did they come to life again, or is it more that they live and reign 1000 years? Also what is the first resurrection? It is Christ who is the first resurrection. And we it says were raised with Christ, so we are part of Him and His first resurrection and over us the 2nd death has no power

This is a important distinction as we are risen with Christ, we are joined together as one spirit with Him.

Ephesians 2
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved),

6 and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth at the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.

1 Corinthians 6 NKJV
16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

This is a profound observation, and hits on the exact distinction that unravels the entire premise of a physical, flesh-and-blood earthly millennium.
Looking closely at the Greek text and the broader apostolic framework of resurrection makes those verses completely clear:

• "Lived" vs. "Came to Life" (Ezhēsan): The Greek verb ezhēsan (from zaō) means "came to life" or "lived." In the immediate context of Revelation 20:4, John explicitly specifies that he is seeing souls (tas psychas)—not physical bodies walking around an earthly geopolitical kingdom. These are the martyred saints who were previously beheaded.
• The Already/Not Yet of Spiritual Life: As you noted, believers have already passed from death to life spiritually (John 5:24, Ephesians 2:5–6). When believers die physically, their souls are immediately present with the Lord. The "living and reigning" here describes the heavenly, spiritual reality of the redeemed reigning with Christ, matching the heavenly focus of Hebrews 11 and 13, rather than a mortal political government ruling over unregenerate nations in physical bodies.
• Christ as the First Resurrection: The New Testament defines the ultimate resurrection corporate reality in Christ. Because believers are united with Him ("raised up with Him, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus"), they partake in His triumph.
• Immunity from the Second Death: Revelation 20:6 explicitly ties this first resurrection to security: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power." If the "first resurrection" were a physical, earthly event involving mortal human beings who could still sin, rebel, or face judgment later, they would not be permanently immune to the second death.

By conflating a spiritual, heavenly reign of souls with a physical, earthly survival phase, systems like pre-millennialism completely invert what Revelation 20 is describing.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ephesians 2

5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved),
6 and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth at the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.

1 Corinthians 6 NKJV

16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
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Those passages form an airtight exegetical anchor. By bringing together Ephesians 2:5–6, Colossians 3:1–4, and 1 Corinthians 6:17, that completely dismantles the physical, earthly orientation of millennialism by pointing straight to the believer's present heavenly reality and spiritual union with Christ.

Here is how those texts lock down the argument:

• The Already-Realized Resurrection Position (Ephesians 2:5–6 & Colossians 3:1–3): Paul explicitly states that believers already have been made alive together with Christ, already raised up together, and already made to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Because our life is hidden with Christ in God, setting our affection on things above—where Christ sits at the right hand of God—completely rules out looking for a localized, flesh-and-blood political kingdom on a decaying earth.
• Spiritual Union vs. Physical Geography (1 Corinthians 6:17): Being joined to the Lord means being "one spirit with Him." The union is spiritual and eternal, not a terrestrial geopolitical regime ruled from an earthly Jerusalem with mortal, unregenerate subjects.
• The Timing of the Manifestation (Colossians 3:4): Notice the timeline: "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory." It is a terminal, glorious appearance at His return, not a multi-stage stepping stone into a thousand-year mortal survival zone.

When you connect Revelation 20:4 (where John sees the souls of the martyred reigning) with these Pauline epistles, the picture is completely unified: the reigning with Christ is the exalted, spiritual, and heavenly reality of the redeemed, completely distinct from pre-tribs's imagined timeline of unsaved nations farming and dodging rain in Zechariah 14 of an earthly, fleshly existence for 1000 years on an unredeemed still rebellious earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

See Revelation 20:1-6 for the millenium.
See Revelation 20:11-15 for the judgement after the millenium.
After that no more tears (Revelation 21:1-4).

Revelation 20:1-6 Isn't A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Don't Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[William Barton]

heavenly reign of souls with a physical, earthly survival phase, systems like pre-millennialism completely invert what Revelation 20 is describing.

και εζησαν και εβασιλευσαν μετα Χριστος χιλια ετη
"and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years"
(Revelation 20:4)

The plan was eternal life, but eternal life in a fallen world is unthinkable. Hence the lifetime was slowly decreased from Adam (930 years) to an average today of seventy to eighty years (Psalm 90:10).

"First death" is natural death, typically after 70-80 years (Psalm 90:10).
"Second death" (Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8) is sojourn in hell until the end of the Millennium.

 

[Davy]

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

NOPE. That is NOT a parallel. Those mentioned in those Isaiah 4 verses are about Christ's elect Church. Thus what you are falsely suggesting by trying to use that for the leftovers of Zech.14 is that the WICKED armies that will come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world, will be Christ's Church! What a blasphemous doctrine that is! Amazing!

 

[Davy]

"They came to life and reigned with Christ 1000 years" (Revelation 20:2,7).
It's in the Book.

Here's what I have for those Revelation 20:2,7 (KJV) verses...

Rev 20:2
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
KJV

Rev 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
KJV

So do you maybe want to clarify what you're talking about????

If you meant to include all the verses in between verses 2 and 7, I suggest you use a hyphen (-) instead of a comma (,).

 

[William Barton]

If someone's head is cut off (Revelation 20:4), then "come to life" is an impressive feat.

 

[William Barton]

This is a important distinction as we are risen with Christ, we are joined together as one spirit with Him.

IMO:
"One Spirit" = "helped by God's Spirit."
See Romans 8:26.

 

[Taken]

Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture​

Disagree.

 

[Taken]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isn't A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Don't Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Disagree.

1) Abraham’s Promised land.
2) king David’s Everlasting Throne.
3) Remnant.

 

[Davy]

If someone's head is cut off (Revelation 20:4), then "come to life" is an impressive feat.

Only for someone who can only think with their 'flesh'.

 

[William Barton]

1000-years (millennium) in the Bible:

o. Revelation 20:2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 all mention1000 years

o. That is six times in the Bible.

o. "Millennium" stems from Latin:
- mille = 1000
- annum = year
- i.e. 1000 years

 

[Taken]

1000-years (millennium) in the Bible:

o. Revelation 20:2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 all mention1000 years

o. That is six times in the Bible.

o. "Millennium" stems from Latin:
- mille = 1000
- annum = year
- i.e. 1000 years

Yes.
Christ (Power of God) Lord Jesus Word of God…
RETURNS To Earth humble / No…
With POWER… KING? Yes…

KING of What?
KING OF kings.
Yes
His Kingdom (Abraham’s Promised Land) All of ISRAEL.
Yes.
His Throne (king Davids Everlasting Throne)
Yes.
Christs Saved (Raptured and Return With Him, Occupy His Kingdom.
Yes.
His holy Angel Servants With Him.
Yes.
The World Nations kings? ( mortal Remnant of “Believers”, (not saved, but Believed and who were not killed in the Trib.)
Yes. —->

They are mortals, they live, build, marry, have offspring, do not war amongst themselves, do not have Devils influences… for generations… until The ending of 1.000 years and Devils are allowed once Again to roam the Earth, convince mortals to war Against The Lords Earthly Kingdom…

Then Shall the Prophecy be Fulfilled… Of All nations will come Against Israel…

Then shall the Prophecy be fulfilled…Of Fire from heaven shall rain down from Heaven and consume them.

There After… Resurrections and Judgements…

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Douggg]