Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

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Rapture is being caught up and removed from the earth.

However, He comes to the clouds in the two raptures.
The Lord comes for His Church in an hour that you think not before the great tribulation.
The Lord comes of the second harvest at the 6th seal.
That's two raptures.

No.
Rapture is NOT about where the Lord is Going…

The Rapture is about where a Glorified man is going… up off the Earth.

Do you agree, as you said … a rapture is being caught up and removed from the Earth?

 

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Yes one return to the earth after Armageddon at the 7th trumpets when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

However, He comes to the clouds in the two raptures.
The Lord comes for His Church in an hour that you think not before the great tribulation.
The Lord comes of the second harvest at the 6th seal.
That's two raptures.

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[The Light]

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No.
Rapture is NOT about where the Lord is Going…

The Rapture is about where a Glorified man is going… up off the Earth.

Do you agree, as you said … a rapture is being caught up and removed from the Earth?

There are two harvests.

The first harvest removes the Church from the earth before the great tribulation.
The second harvest removes the twelve tribes across the earth which are the seed of the woman Israel, from the earth before the wrath of God.

These two folds become one-fold which is the great multitude of Rev 7 and Rev 19.

 

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There are two harvests.

The first harvest removes the Church from the earth before the great tribulation.
The second harvest removes the twelve tribes across the earth which are the seed of the woman Israel, from the earth before the wrath of God.

These two folds become one-fold which is the great multitude of Rev 7 and Rev 19.

You didn’t answer.

Do you agree, as you said … a rapture is being caught up and removed from the Earth?

 

[The Light]

You didn’t answer.

Do you agree, as you said … a rapture is being caught up and removed from the Earth?

Yes. Removed from the earth and taken to heaven.

 

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Why does the Word of God say that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

It doesn't. All it says is people want to die because they fear his wrath. It doesn't say anything about him actually being here yet, and the seals speak of future events so none of those things even happened when the seal was opened.

Why does the Word of God show that the event happens when the seals are actually opened?

It doesn't anymore than Jesus describing the same events in Matt24 also did not mean they happened.

Why do the events of the trumpets and vials occur as each trumpet is blown and each vial is poured out?

Because they signify actions that take place while the seals protect the knowledge of the future written on the scroll. Think of it as the difference between everything written in a movie script that has 7 seals on it, VS. the director making a noise that tells the actors to act.

 

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There are two harvests.

The first harvest removes the Church from the earth before the great tribulation.

Removing the Church from the Earth is the Rapture.

The second harvest removes the twelve tribes across the earth which are the seed of the woman Israel, from the earth before the wrath of God.

That also would be a Rapture…
Where is that Scripture?

Do you think a Harvest and Rapture are the same thing?

 

[The Light]

It doesn't. All it says is people want to die because they fear his wrath. It doesn't say anything about him actually being here yet, and the seals speak of future events so none of those things even happened when the seal was opened.

Are you unable to conclude from the following verses that when the 6th seal is opened, the great tribulation is over, and the second coming occurs?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And are you not able to conclude that when the 6th seal is over, the 7th seal is opened which contains the trumpets and vials of God's wrath.

It doesn't anymore than Jesus describing the same events in Matt24 also did not mean they happened.

When the seal is actually opened the event will occur. These are prophecies. This is simple stuff.

Because they signify actions that take place while the seals protect the knowledge of the future written on the scroll. Think of it as the difference between everything written in a movie script that has 7 seals on it, VS. the director making a noise that tells the actors to act.

It's just prophecy that will occur when the seals are actually opened.

 

[The Light]

Removing the Church from the Earth is the Rapture.

Yes it is the 1st rapture. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, part of Israel will have its eyes opened and God will turn His attention to the Jews.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

I cannot explain why so many think that the great tribulation is about the Church. The Church will be gone before the great tribulation. The great tribulation is when the Jews turn back to God. Hence, the 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest.

That also would be a Rapture…
Where is that Scripture?

This is the second rapture. It occurs at the 6th seal.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth. There are 144,000 first fruits of this rapture. If the first fruits are of the 12 tribes, the harvest is of the 12 tribes. When the dragon can't get to the woman, as she is in her place of protection, he goes after her seed which are the Jews that are all over the earth. Many Jews will have their blindness removed and realize that Jesus is the Messiah.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here is another view of the rapture that occurs at the 6th seal.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Do you think a Harvest and Rapture are the same thing?

Yes of course a harvest is a rapture.

There are two raptures as the fig tree has two harvests.

The Feasts of God show a grain harvest.........barley and wheat and a fruit harvest.

Days of Noah.........Days of Lot.

The Lord Himself comes..................He sends His angels.

He comes at the trump of God...............He comes at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

The dead are raised first................The dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye.

Moses instructed to make two silver trumpets to gather the people.

The list goes on and on. There are two raptures.

 

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This is the second rapture. It occurs at the 6th seal.

Disagree.
One Rapture…of the Church, before Trib from Heaven.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Correct. ^
Nothing about a Rapture.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yep Tribes gathered, on Earth.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth.

No. Their Bodies Do not leave Earth.
The Dead shall be resurrected from dead body on Earth to Living Glorified body on Earth.
A believing remnant who never die during Trib., repopulate the Earth.

Here is another view of the rapture that occurs at the 6th seal.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

That is not a Rapture.
Harvest is not a Rapture.
Harvest is Dividing … With and Without God.
Rapture Involves Body’s being taken up off the Earth… only applies to those Christ Jesus SAVES.
Rest of Dead on Earth are Resurrected…
First they With God…(but we’re not saved by Christ) God Saves them.
Lastly Resurrected are they Against God.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.


Yes of course a harvest is a rapture.

No it isn’t. It’s a dividing, just like farming… with a sickle… keep the hay, burn the chaf.

There are two raptures as the fig tree has two harvests.

You are mixing words. Not Scripture.

The dead are raised first................The dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye.

^ First Resurrection … not a Rapture. Their body does not leave Earth.
Not a harvest, they are already separated / divided.

Moses instructed to make two silver trumpets to gather the people.

The list goes on and on. There are two raptures.

Nope.

Right here is The Lords business raising they IN Christ…Raptured

1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All others who believe before they die During the Trib… Just like Before Jesus Arrived….
God shall save them…
Resurrection… not a rapture.