Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

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Episkopos

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He won't directly address anything that proves him wrong on any point. I'm getting so tired of his jumbled up theology.
I try to avoid the vain babblings that are rampant here. I actually answer a lot more than I maybe should.

I make a true statement...and people ignore that for the most part because they don't understand spiritual things. But any kind of flesh misunderstanding becomes a topic for people's interest. So then always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

And where there is a little spark of interest in the truth..it is quickly stolen away.
 

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Act 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at (overlooked); but now commandeth ALL men EVERY WHERE to REPENT
I think Epi and his followers are clinging to Romans 2:14-16 to validate their rejection of Jesus' sacrifice for salvation:

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them 16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel.

I've encountered people who think this is their get out of jail free card. They don't realize that this doesn't apply to them since they have the law, even having knowledge of this passage to ask about it. And somehow they're the lost tribesman in the jungles of the Amazon who's never heard of the law or the gospel.
 
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I have begun to experience the love I lacked and prayed for for so long. Your arguments are no match for this love, this experience OF that love. So you should just consider me lost and not waste your breath on me.
Experience over knowledge will get you in trouble every time. But many people defer to experiences over the plain words of scripture to suit their own personal desires.

"...having itching ears..." 2 Timothy 4:3
 

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Is anyone else besides me convicted because of their attitude in this thread? My old mentor once told me. "you can pretty much use the word "attitude" in place of "spirit" and with rare exceptions, not lose any meaning because they are interchangeable" With that being said, what can we also call a foul "attitude"
 

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I think Epi and his followers are clinging to Romans 2:14-16 to validate their rejection of Jesus' sacrifice for salvation:

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them 16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel.

I've encountered people who think this is their get out of jail free card. They don't realize that this doesn't apply to them since they have the law, even having knowledge of this passage to ask about it. And somehow they're the lost tribesman in the jungles of the Amazon who's never heard of the law or the gospel.
Yes, I think the purpose of that passage was to correct and reprove any wrong attitude of superiority over the Gentiles, as well as any lack in keeping the Law and living righteously (some Gentiles were more righteously than some of the Jews). That some Gentiles are a law unto themselves can't be implying that any Gentiles are saved by that......since even Jews who had the Law and kept it still needed Jesus and the gospel to be saved.
 
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