Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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amigo de christo
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faith in CHRIST even the size of a mustard seed will grow .
But even great faith in a lie is bad news .
WHERE is the faith of this inclusive generation sister .
NOT IN CHRIST thus not in GOD the FATHER WHO DID SEND him .
And any who brings a gospel that negates the true gospel that sure did ential one must believe on JESUS ,
frankly i dont care how great their faith is , ITS NOT IN GOD sister .
SO this generation needs to do some serious examining of themselves
to see whether they walk IN THE FAITH OF GOD which darn sure means IN HIS CHRIST
or whether tehy walk in the faith of another g od which leads them to that which is of anti christ .
Again this is a fact sister .
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 "And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?"
amigo de christo
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only in part could it be misleading . Its why i wrote to her what i did .
But epi , your faith is great , ONLY its not in THE FAITH OF GOD who DID TESTIFY on The need to Beleive on JESUS the CHRIST .
IS ones faith truly IN JESUS CHRIST
or is ones faith been in another jesus . NOW THAT BE THE QUESTION .
cause i see tons of hyper gracers whose faith darn sure is in another jesus created of men
by which to please man .
And i see the inlcusive faith , WHICH is of anti christ being swallowed down now by them
and by many others too .
IF YA FAITH WAS IN JESUS CHRIST epi you had never been so rebellious to go after those
who simply remind this people , AND YES even an atheist , OF the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
And you called that religous extremism epi . as i said you call JESUS and every last apostel
A Religoius extremists . You see they did BOTH EPI
THEY REMINDED of the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS AND TO KEEP HIS SAYINGS . ALL of them epi .
THEY DIDNT TRY and omit the dire need to first beleive on him
while trying to teach aspects about His teachings . You are in dire grave danger epi .
amigo de christo
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you do realize one is not a babe even
IF THEY not only go against those who preach the simplicity of having to BELIEVE ON JESUS
and treat us who do so as though we are religous extremists .
Men who buy the lie of incluisivty , as epi has . They are not mere babes that need learning .
They are men who bring another gosple sister . and that there gospel is NO GOSPEL OF GOD .
amigo de christo
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ME oh my , i just had a real terrifiying thought about you .
SURELY you did not write this to me because i do not agree with EPI .
Surely you have not bought into that other gospel that is no Gospel and has made
void the dire necessity to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
DO answer . let me know . I hope that was not the case for you .
The subject of this OP is meat. Not all can handle it, because they want to STAY nursing. But there is more than the bottle if you want to go to heaven. Epi knows that. You want to argue to stay on milk.
cc: amigo de christo; @Episkopos and @Lizbeth
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It is the same gospel. One is kindergarten; and the other is university. Two levels of faith. The OP is university and for those who are ready to excel.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
cc: amigo de christo; @Episkopos and @Lizbeth
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It's not just that they want to stay on milk it's that there is an rebellious uprising in he nursery. Like we are seeing in France with the protests. It's the champions of the flesh that hate the cross. They want to justify themselves with an initial grace...and they bury their talent in self-defense....from other people AND GOD.
It sounds like the same gospel...but the decoy gospel has no power. They get their strength from the lip service of other carnal believers who band together to fight against the cross. They are enemies of the cross because they resist obedience to Christ in favour of beliefs ABOUT Jesus that they claim justifies them. Jesus, for them is seen as an idol to worship...not a Lord to obey and follow.
If you watch the reaction to my call to obedience to Christ....I get strong opposition...in favour of a beginner's acceptance that has no hint of any obedience, let alone the power of grace that facilitates that obedience. For these it's all dogmatic beliefs and religious ideology....these are twice dead if they have ever been regenerated.
The milk costs them nothing. The meat is very expensive...so it an economic spiritual revolt against the ways of God. They refuse to let go their rights they think they deserve. No humility, no fear of the Lord.
We all need to respect each other's ministries. @amigo de christo is teaching milk, and @Lizbeth is his student. The problem is he is arguing that you are not teaching kindergarten doctrine, and you are arguing that he is not nursing his students with meat they refuse to want, let alone digest. The second problem is those in the nursery do not want to grow up to the next level of faith.
amigo, try to grasp the higher levels of faith that you seem to need yourself to advance. The gospel is not all milk after the initial level of faith. University levels are about suffering, loss of self, committing entirely to God's will, even to the point of death. I've been there, and was released but it brought me to a new level of obedience for the next level. (The second level of faith is a stairway upward to perfection, and has many small steps.)
Lizbeth, start growing closer to God with praise. As you draw near to God, THEN He will draw near to you. Don't stay on a plateau for too long.
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Yes, they need to believe more than the demons know. To not grow and bear fruit shows a lack of abiding in Christ, slipping off the road and maybe over the cliff if their love for Christ is not all consuming.
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All sin is sin. There is no distinction between sins (except in regard to blasphemy of the Spirit). All sin results in death for the person who has chosen to make whatever sin it is that they are indulging a matter of a conscious and deliberate lifestyle. For example, purposely living a lifestyle of rage and foul language (what you call trespasses) will condemn a person the same as a person purposely living a lifestyle of adultery and lying (what you call lawlessness).
Ephesians 4:3-5
3But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
As you can see, Paul makes no distinction between lawless sins and trespass sins as you do. All sin is idolatry. All of the sins he lists are unto death. But for the born again believer trusting in the forgiveness of God, they have the completed but ongoing ministry of Christ and his sacrifice to save them from the just penalty of their sin. That doesn't mean they can live in sin as a conscious lifestyle. Anybody who does that is showing themselves to not be born again. They show that they have no transformation of spirit to cause them to not want to live that way. Whether they ever had that transformation or not is irrelevant. The point is they are living that way now. They have no share in the inheritance. The Bible warns us about this in more than one place.
Living according to the fruit of the Spirit is what it means to have intimacy with God and be obedient to him. Ministry is not a measure of ones relationship with God. The fruit of the Spirit is.
I suspect the opposition comes from the impression that you are endorsing a works justification gospel in which the righteousness that gets you into the kingdom is the righteousness of your obedient works. Since it is impossible to get into the kingdom that way, we rely on the righteousness that God credits a person when they believe and trust in God's promise of a Son through whom they are forgiven and are made righteous in God's sight that way. No, that doesn't mean you can purposely live in unrighteousness. That means your righteousness - when you are righteous - is not the righteousness that actually gets you declared righteous so as to be eligible to enter into the kingdom of God. The moment you sin, you ruin that way to be righteous in God's sight.
amigo de christo
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well i see you bought it hook line and sinker . sinker being the key word .
Cause that rope of inclusvism epi offers will not only save none but damn all .
As for me i shall continue to preach the absolute dire necessity to Believe on JESUS the Christ
while also correcting all sin and error . You all can cling to the line that allows
UNBELEIF in JESUS . but do be warned that is a false gospel and while i am sure
epi can talk about aspects of holiness and righteousness its all in vain .
WHO and what did the apostels preach . And that who and what was the same that i preached
to an atheist and was called a religious extremist .
But you and epi are teachers probably even believing you were called by GOD
to show us all this higher walk . Kinda odd how that higher walk
REJECTS the original gospel of YE MUST BELIEVE IN J ESUS and even calls that religious extremism .
Dont hold your b reath waiting for me to accept it . That i do shun . And for good reason . ITs a false g ospel .
If all sin is sin, then what did Christ come to do? What did Jesus accomplish by dying to get sinners to heaven.
1. Cleanse our past sins?
2. Provide no condemnation for our past, present and future sins?
1 John 3:4-9
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
amigo de christo
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oh i assume you mean what james said . of course there is such a t hing as dead faith .
And you know I preach against it too .
But guess who and what that james who wrote that not only sat under but preached .
THE absolute dire necessity to FIRST beleive on JESUS .
Now that is being omitted by your king epi , seen as religious extremism .
And before you buy that sinker epi sold
and then try and say as did epi to me , WELL the church already knows this so go preach it to the lost souls ,
EPI said the same.
AND YET WHEN I DID preach it to an athiest , WHO EPI NEVER preached the gospel too ,
HE called me a religous extrmemist .
SO if that is who you want to support , SISTER you in deadly dire danger .
But as i
wrote above to you , JUST DONT expect me to sit under that vainity of a train ride to peridtion with you all .
I preach JESUS and not a jesus . THE JESUS WHO made it absolutely clear
YE must beleive that HE IS
and that we need to observe all things HE did teach .
TRYING to
make void the dire necessity to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS , IS only of anti christ .
But if you want to dishonor the SON by doing so with epi , that WILL BE UPON YOUR OWN HEAD . i did warn
so you wont be able to say to CHRIST on the day of judgment
BUT LORD no one came and reminded me NOT to follow epi and a false g ospel . cause I DID . so my h ands are clean
of your blood . my advice , realize real fast you were never called to be a teacher by GOD
And even more than that , WE were never called to preach a false gospel .
amigo de christo
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i have long known a nd long beleived that .
The only difference is
I dont do as does your b eloved epi and use those teachings
TO MAKE VOID the dire necessity to have to FIRST B ELIEVE ON THIS JESUS CHRIST .
In fact seeing you seem to enjoy this lovely letter of john
Lets include quite a few warnings he also gave .
ANYONE who beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the Son ,
HE is calling GOD a liar . HE who DENIES JESUS is the CHRIST is anti christ .
SO who so ever is trying to cliam they do bleieve ON JESUS the CHRIST
and yet rails on and calls those who do remind the unbeliever of his dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
is saying , HEY ITS OKAY AT HEIST , BUDDISTS , unbelieving jews , muslims
IF YOU CALL GOD A LIAR , hey just do g ood works . You all got no idea what YOU all have bought .
And you want me to sit under your king epi . WRONG again . i expose those who bring a false gospel
and then rail on those who bring the true gospel . You are in deadly dire grave danger y ourself .
cause that same john
said IF any brings not this doctrine , Dont even let them in your house and do not even bid them god speed .
SO MUCH FOR SENSUAL FALSE love that not only wont correct those who bring a false gospel
but sides with those who do bring a false one and calls those who preach the true gospel , TO AN ATHIEST even , RELIGOUS extremism .
You made your bed with the wrong one . SO my ad vice to you and to e veryone else here is
BIB LE up and let none s upport a false gospel or anyone who even brings a false gospel .
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