Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[GodsGrace]

I agree. The RCC is wrong.....they are not saved by those things. I think you might have misunderstood my post...? Only true FAITH in Christ can save....faith which is not of our own but is the gift of God.

Lizbeth,,,
You did not understand my post to you.
You are not properly representing the CC.
They also teach faith in Jesus....
faith is a gift from God and not something that man can create on his own.

Sacraments, by themselves, do not save.
What I said was that IF you were correct in your representation of what the CC teaches,,,
then ALL Catholics would be saved...but they are not.

Yes I believe it did. It restored the gospel, which is faith in Christ...the necessity of being born again (begotten of the Holy Spirit) through faith, which Jesus spoke of. Which is a real lived (and ongoing) experience, not a "sacrament".

I agree with the rest of what you stated,
and on most posts of yours that I read.

 

[Moontan13]

Yes, we need to stop sinning and go on to perfection. It's in Scripture for those willing to read it without any blinders on.

Let me refer you to Francois Fenelon who described it in his book "Christian Perfection". AW Tozer loved this guy. It's not living without sin, but walking in the constant knowledge of God's presence. Omnipresent and Omniscient. There is nothing you can tell God that he doesn't already know. Why pray then? Because He tells us to pray without ceasing. Why? Because He does. There things we just cannot know.

 

[GodsGrace]

The CC does know the difference between mortal sins and venial sins, and the Reformation should have kept up that knowledge, but didn't. I looked up John Wesley, who fought against Calvinism, and asked if he knew there was a difference. Here is what it said:

Yes, John Wesley distinguished between sins unto death and sins not unto death. He viewed sins not unto death as those that are still open to repentance and forgiveness, while sins unto death represent a final rejection of grace and a state of unrepentance.

This is not how I see them taking the whole Bible into consideration. How would you say the CC describes mortal sins and venial sins. AI says,

The Catholic Church distinguishes between mortal sins, which are grave offenses that sever one's relationship with God, and venial sins, which are less serious and do not break this relationship. Mortal sins require full knowledge and consent, while venial sins can weaken one's spiritual state without completely separating them from God's grace.

Understanding Mortal and Venial Sins​

The distinction between these two types of sin is fundamental in Catholic teaching.

• Mortal Sin — A serious sin that results in the loss of grace and separation from God; it requires three conditions: grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent.
• Venial Sin — A less serious sin that does not sever one's relationship with God; it can weaken one's spiritual state but is forgivable through acts of contrition.
• Consequences — Mortal sins lead to eternal separation from God if unrepented, while venial sins can be forgiven through prayer and good works.
• Scriptural Basis — The distinction is rooted in Scripture, notably in St. Paul's writings, which outline the differences in severity.

I wouldn't be able to add to the above...it seems very complete to me.

I'll add some paragraphs from the Catechism of the Catholic Church in case anyone is interested.

Paragraph:
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent." 131


1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother." 132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.


1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God's forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.


Then there is the sin against the Holy Spirit which is the only sin that cannot be forgiven:

1864 "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." 136 There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. 137 Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.