Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Episkopos]

Hi Epi, if I were you I would @Judge Hardcastle words about the forgiveness our sins through Jesus sacrifice on the cross very serious, it's the base of our salvation, it's only from there on we can start our walk in the Spirit (through the Holy Spirit working in us) and workout our holiness and salvation. Knowing you for so long you have it upside down. -- and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins [Hebr 9:22)

Luke 22:15 And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Luk 22:16 For I tell you I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
Luk 22:17 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves.
Luk 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Jesus freely expressed His emotions, not as a scientist as you are used to suppress your emotions as a scientist, as you recently said.

Jes 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.
Jes 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.
Jes 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Jes 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.
Jes 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people?
Jes 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.
Jes 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Jes 53:11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.
Jes 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Basic Christianity, the milk.

Your own self-interest blinds you to the true agenda...that of wanting an ongoing guaranteed forgiveness, basically an immunity from prosecution for sin. What the unlearned don't realize is that there is more than one kind of sin. And iniquity (based on naming and claiming) is the worst sin of all....the like of which religious pretenders indulge in gleefully. If you don't realize that those who teach such things are condemned by the Lord, I can't help you.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Jesus acknowledges the natural morality of worldly people (Matthew 5:46-47; Luke 6:32-34): Jesus points out that even tax collectors, Gentiles, and sinners (or "enemies," as you put it) can, by their very nature, "love those who love them," "do good to those who do good to them," "greet their brothers," or "lend to those like them." This shows that ordinary people indeed possess a basic ethical capacity.

Jesus points out the transcendent standard of faith (Matthew 5:44-45, 48; Luke 6:27-28, 35-36): Merely doing "what even sinners do" is not enough. Jesus requires His disciples to transcend this natural instinct—to love enemies, bless those who curse, and lend without expecting repayment—so as to manifest the perfection and mercy of the Heavenly Father.

Exactly! But now you are moving beyond “the meek will inherit the earth” and into the territory of walking in the Spirit in His holiness rather than just treating your neighbor as well as you treat yourself. You don’t do away with the first to establish the last - He WILL be merciful with the merciful, if you plant in treating your neighbor in the way God says is right, you WILL reap mercy from Him.

The transcendent standard is the one that is impossible with men. In comparison to that transcedent standard, THAT is the one in which your treating your neighbor as God sees is right is like filthy rags.

 

[MostlyConfused]

No man says he has never, ever sinned and has not fallen short of the glory of God in perfection. It wouldn’t even be possible for a Christian, (let alone an unbeliever who treats his neighbor right). The Christian couldn’t say it because he knows the glory of God is perfection and he knows how he treated his neighbor in the past. He could never say he never sinned, he even knows the perfection standard includes even anger in his heart and even unclean THOUGHTS, apart from the actual doing.
As for the second verse, if we DID say we had never sinned and never fallen short ofGods’ perfect glory, we would be a liar who hadn’t even received the down payment of the Spirit, never mind the whole measure by being crucified.

I have something wrong in these last few words. I will work to amend it. It is not true to say that no one who has received the down payment of the Spirit could not claim it, as it’s the very thing the bulk of evangelicalism teaches men to do.

 

[MostlyConfused]

I am in a state that seems to follow Satan's lie about that.
The flood happened for a reason, Jesus died for us on that cross for a reason, we are to life as perfect as we can
but we are not perfect only God is perfect because God is a spirit not a person. They can have you internalize everything but if we follow scripture, and can renew your faith with up to 3 baptisims the moment you do it releases all that anger in you and it becomes a false life you lived.
Remind your pastor of these scriptures and let us know what he says, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10 and tell us what was said. If we are all pretending we are perfect, than those people wouldn't need Jesus or God
That is so sad don't you agree?

Can you really not see that evangelicalism teaches men to say God does not see their sin because He only sees Jesus? Or that God sees them as perfect and righteous because they received the down payment? Can you really not see it teaches them to condemn unbelievers even IF they treat others well?