No, JH is right.
Questions for you :
. Who made you aware of sin ?
. Who gave you the desire not to sin any longer ?
. Who interceded for you ?
. Who gave you the power to overcome sins ?
Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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No, JH is right.
Questions for you :
. Who made you aware of sin ?
. Who gave you the desire not to sin any longer ?
. Who interceded for you ?
. Who gave you the power to overcome sins ?
Yes, we all have the mind of Christ (and new man).......but it is always a matter of whether or how much we are relying on the mind of Christ via the Holy Spirit or on our own mind (which is the devil's playground, so to speak).
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Yes, Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, yet for all that God says in His word that it is the world that is going to be judged/condemned and suffer His wrath doesn't He. As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. What was it like in the days of Noah? People were so bad the Lord repented of creating man and determined to destroy humanity.......except the mercy He granted to those relative few who made it onto the Ark. What does the Ark represent? It represents Christ.
Salvation is for those who BELIEVE (with faith not of our own)....those who don't believe are condemned already. I mean scripture is quite clear about these things unless someone wants to twist and wrest them to talk themselves and others out of the truth. You are bringing a false gospel.
Withholding mercy is being done by those who bring false gospels and withhold and suppress the true gospel of mercy from folks....the one that says ye MUST believe and be born again.
You have drunk the koolaid of political correctness I'm afraid, which is spirit that God has sent/allowed to JUDGE the western nations. Not to mention that worshiping false gods/idols is not obedience to the will of God, is it.
Those who the Lord is choosing to have mercy on He reveals Jesus and His gospel to them, with or without the agency of a missionary or preacher. His mercy in terms of eternal life is through the gospel of Christ......the Lord has provided no other way to obtain eternal life.
The false gospel is self-congratulatory. As in...I'm saved and you all are damned. It judges self as saved and others as not. All this from self. Of course there are a few verses that sound like Jesus is condemning the world. But He is condemning unbelief among God's people. Jesus wasn't crucified by the Chinese. A false gospel misrepresents God., as you are doing. The "truth" you want to hear is how saved you are. A gospel of self-interest is VERY interesting to a fallen nature. You just WANT it to be true.
False. People can't decide to be born again...unless they are evangelical. God selects some to run a higher and harder race...of faith...against the full stature of Christ. Very very few are chosen from these. Many are called few are chosen. And that is for God's own house.
And your bait and switch vagueness about being born again.....born again for what? To be saved? To be holy?
You have no idea of God's purpose, hence you have turned to the great delusion of another gospel.
MostlyConfused
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There was no “theological stuff,“ they couldn’t hear it and it made them very angry. Truth had to be presented as “psychological stuff” although a few younger ones could hear a little of God. But they were IN the hideous dynamic and oppression and very tortured, as was I at that time. And I was presented to them as crazy, delusional and mean because I told the truth. While you’re IN that awful mess everything is chaos and, as sad as it is, unless you move away your nervous system cannot even begin to recover and settle and is in survival mode at every moment.
More recently, one of the younger ones moved away and contacted me to thank me for helping her to understand her family. The truth I told her about the dynamic set her free as the truth will, EVEN if it’s presented in psychological terminology.
A rich spoiled Western mindset thinks that Jesus came from heaven to personally deliver an easy salvation to rich, spoiled Westerners. Considering anything else will never occur to these as they are that self-absorbed.
I marvel at God's wisdom and how He hides the truth from those who want to save their lives. He has framed an iniquity which the unwary easily adopt. That iniquity has two aspects.
1. Condemn the righteous in order to BE righteous. Basically steal away righteousness from the righteous. Steal away meekness from the meek. Lower the standard of God whereby holiness is out of the equation. Make it all about salvation and forgiveness.
2. Claim an immunity from prosecution for sin. Claim that God doesn't see your sin as sin. Claim to be IN Christ where there is no condemnation. Claim to be a citizen of heaven even though you are unvetted.
GOD is the one who will judge in the end..........and He will. We simply believe it because that is what HE says in His word. All we are to do is PREACH THE TRUE GOSPEL to everyone, (which includes warnings about judgement as appropriate), that some might hear and be saved.
I agree that people can't decide to be born again.......it is an act of the Holy Spirit..........but according to Romans 1 they are also without excuse........and in Acts it indicates people might "feel after Him if haply they might find Him". And after being born again we are tested and tried and have a race marked out for us....it is not guaranteed that we will all endure and make it to the end.
(But which came first the chicken or the egg......are some feeling after God or at least open to Him because they were already foreknown by Him? I see it as a kind of closed circle.....all things are already finished and a done deal from heaven's point of view, knowing the end from the beginning. And I can see that the hand of God was already on my life before I was born again and how He was working it all for my spiritual good. The bible says no one can come to Christ except the Father draws them. He created man and the earth/universe all for His purposes ultimately, to glorify Himself and to have a remnant of people for Himself and with Him in heaven. The human race could not even survive without Him holding everything all together. God is so much greater than humanity and all else that He created.)
You will not be forgiven for willfully sinning the sin that you cannot willfully commit.
Got it.
Me too. I can see I've had the favor of God on my life from the beginning that eventually led to my salvation.
That's the plan.
Titus 2:14
14He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
Epi foolishly thinks Christianity is about God letting a certain group of people be murderers, and thieves, and adulterers, and live greedy, covetous, hateful lives with impunity.
Funny you are so against "judging/condemning" the unbelieving while you are always "judging/condemning" God's people.
Are you applying these things to me personally? Perhaps I should let you know a few things. I am not materially rich although I have fared better than many in third world countries. I know what it is to have utilities cut off on a couple of occasions and to miss a meal for lack of funds so that my family could eat. I have found the narrow way to be a hard road, not easy at all.
Losing our lives in this world for His sake.......He hasn't hidden that truth from me.
I hope I don't condemn anybody, righteous or unrighteous. And I know it is better for anyone to live righteously in their own flesh, than to sin. It helps to avoid curses in this life and sometimes perhaps may even attract the favour of God so that He will reveal Christ and save the person. But I also know from God's word that nobody's own human righteousness is sufficient in itself for eternal life......it falls short of eternal life.......even righteous Job needed to repent.
I do not claim an immunity from prosecution from sin if I or anyone were to pursue a course of wilfully sinning. But believers are covered under the blood for inadvertently or unknowingly sinning in our immaturity while we are pursuing a course of seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness/holiness. Holiness is not out of the equation to me, I believe we are to seek it. Can't say for sure, but I have a hunch that if anyone thinks they are holy, then maybe they are not yet holy enough. The race is not over until our life on earth is over.
Poor you. Have you never read the bible? You need correction for every thought you are producing.
But I will treat you as the novice you are and teach you something very basic....from the bible.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do not ye judge those who are within? 1 Cor 5:12
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1 Cor 5:13
Paul goes on to say that God judges those who are outside. Of course many here have dared to claim to have the same attributes as God, but I haven't seen any that claim to be God...yet. Are you saying you are God who judges those who are outside the church? How far does your pretend status take you...to the limits of the imagination?
You wipe your mouth and claim to have done nothing wrong. You have condemned Catholics who are actual believers. You condemn the meek and the poor in countries with few or no churches. You look down on all who are not blessed in the same ways you are.
Job was elevated into a holy intimacy with God. But you are forgetting that Job was already righteous in God's eyes...which you will deny...and lie and be dishonest about all day long...because it doesn't work in your still very carnal mind.
But to deny the truth of what you are always doing is WILFUL sinning. You refuse to consider your own iniquity.
Futility.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
For some reason Christians are excluded from the compassion and understanding and all-inclusivism that he extends to all other errant human beings. We Christians are the one group that is condemned in our errancy in his theogy. And he thinks he is doing service to some perceived truth about God by doing this, when in fact he is doing the very opposite.
How do you know that she denies her own sin? Why do you think you can judge Christians this way? You don't know.
You mean that they will be judged by their works? Nah...you don't preach the truth.
The ignorance is on the religious pretenders like yourself. You think because you don't FEEL sinful, then you must be good.
ok, I will give you that....I was forgetting. Except that you are often condemning and even hating those who are inside, which is certainly not what Paul is talking about with respect to judging. He didn't say to either condemn or hate those inside.
Well if that is the reviling and evil speaking that comes from just believing God, then I will try to count it all joy.
Catholics are actual believers....? Are you referring to the very few in that institution who are born again? Or do you mean Catholics in general? Because Catholics in general are not actual believers and are in need of saving faith. Either way I do not condemn them or anybody else, but sadly I know from scripture that God will condemn them one day if they don't receive Christ before that day comes.
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