So, as one relatively new still, what's with the name calling, insults,pejoratives

[Amazed@grace]

Well generally speaking we should treat each other with much greater respect. But Scripture says "Iron sharpens iron" and when that happens, sometime ssparks fly!

I agree that people should not condescend and lift themselves higher, but I have no problem with a lively and hearted debate.

Nor do I.
However, I'd ask if you have a problem with insults and condescension?

 

[Amazed@grace]

Posts should focus on the topic, not on the poster. However, sometimes there are trolls or minions of Satan who need to be called out.

Of course.
Are we calling them out though when we speak their language? How do we call them out for their behavior if we act like they do in the process?

 

[JazzyJeff15]

I do think it would be good for posters to receive warnings for insults and sometimes sarcasm as well. On another christian forum i used to be on a few posters would always respond with sarcasm and it was their goal to make the person they were responding to feel stupid

The other Christian forum i was at tolerated insults, bullying and sarcasm. Eventually that became the norm

 

[Amazed@grace]

I do think it would be good for posters to receive warnings for insults and sometimes sarcasm as well. On another christian forum i used to be on a few posters would always respond with sarcasm and it was their goal to make the person they were responding to feel stupid

The other Christian forum i was at tolerated insults, bullying and sarcasm. Eventually that became the norm

Sometimes sarcasm can't be helped. This thread isn't saying we must at all times be perfectly composed when speaking to one another in posts. If that is the message some infer, my apologies for not being more clear.

My purpose in this is with regard to a pattern of behaviors.

 

[Marvelloustime]

We must always be serious and grave concerning sin and error . As some folks here know i am just that .
But who here has seen me call one an ugly name . Ponder that for a second .
Cause we have us a dead wrong approach by most when it comes to sin and error .
Most will just hug and get along and wont bother to correct . That too is very deadly and its not love at all .
Nor does anyone have to belittle anyone to make a firm solid point either .
We must be on guard . If we learn our bibles well , learn that pattern well , following the Spirit
believe me when we see error It leads us on how to correct .
But leaving folks in error is total bad news as well . Thus yall will always see me warn
anyone in a dangerous institution or in a sin , or supporting sin , real fast . I do it out of great love for their soul .

The Lord be praised.

 

[April_Rose]

The other Christian forum i was at tolerated insults, bullying and sarcasm. Eventually that became the norm

Was it CF (.com) by any chance?

 

[TheslightestID]

For me, I would say for one thing, to call Osas teaching out as false is one thing for example, but to tell new Christians to "beware osas people" like there are no spirit filled believers in the group is another thing. I believed osas for years. Calling the people out as false teachers and hypocrites cuts off conversation completely. There are many spirit filled believers for tongues and against tongues, for one way or another way. It is being preached against instead of discussed in a spirit of love that drives people away from God and deeper study. I still believe many points of osas except now I believe someone can walk away from Christ.

I think you are taking the raw/blunt truth, as meaness. Christ was very blunt about certian things, so that is the way to go.

Some non Christians will consider it rude just to tell the truth about hell, and the Christian doing it becomes a mean person in their mind, yet hell is the truth, nothing more. Though the warning of such things may sound mean becasuse some don't like it, warning people of those things may be the biggest favor anyone ever did for them. No good deed goes unpunished.

To speak out bluntly agsinst OSAS and fake tongues, is not only something a true Christian should do, but I believe God definitely expects us to do it.

In the end, people don't like being told their easy or false gospel is false, so we can expect them to get angry when they are told....that simple.

 

[TheslightestID]

I think OSAS seems to draw conflict because no matter how many debates surround it, no matter how often supporting scriptures that affirm Salvation is a free irrevocable gift of God, and that those who are truly saved do not believe they can carry on in a worldly fallen sin filled life and still be saved, there remains an effort to deny all those truths that are grounded in scripture and insist the opposite is true.

There is nothing true about it, we start sinning regularly and do evil after being saved and we are out of there, and bluntly making that point is the only way to make it, like Jesus did in the following scripture...there are some things we simply don't go easy on, or dance around.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

IOW, if we live evil lives even if we claim to believe, then we do not believe all that Christ has told us, but only the easy part some false teachers will tell us. As the scripture says, all that matters is if we do evil, we live that way, then we will be raised to be condemned....period. Christ made it very simple, just as he has a great habit of doing.

People need to know the truth before some false teacher convinces them their "truth", or way to hell is the truth. We are talking about a possible eternity in hell here for seekers if the truth is not fully understood.

There is entirely too much at stake here, so speak the truth both bluntly, and loudly whenever necessary.

 

[Mantis]

I know I hate it. All the Christian forums I have found include this. Where is the maturity? Name calling belongs on the grade school yard and troll boards, not in Christianity. I know we had a President that name called on a regular basis and I thought it was very embarrassing. It sucks when you vote for a dude because of his policies then have to listen to him behave like a fifth grader calling everyone names. All I can say is pride makes some look quite foolish. People need to grow up and not act like name calling know it all’s.

 

[JazzyJeff15]

Was it CF (.com) by any chance?

Yes it was and I remember you from there! We were friends there too but i had a different name. I was "Lord Give Me a Sign"

Sorry i wasnt sure at first. It was your personality that seemed familiar to me but your username didnt ring a bell somehow lol im so bad at remembering names

 

[Mayflower]

Sometimes sarcasm can't be helped. This thread isn't saying we must at all times be perfectly composed when speaking to one another in posts. If that is the message some infer, my apologies for not being more clear.

My purpose in this is with regard to a pattern of behaviors.

Best thing to do is report and let the moderators just look things over.

I think you are taking the raw/blunt truth, as meaness. Christ was very blunt about certian things, so that is the way to go.

Some non Christians will consider it rude just to tell the truth about hell, and the Christian doing it becomes a mean person in their mind, yet hell is the truth, nothing more. Though the warning of such things may sound mean becasuse some don't like it, warning people of those things may be the biggest favor anyone ever did for them. No good deed goes unpunished.

To speak out bluntly agsinst OSAS and fake tongues, is not only something a true Christian should do, but I believe God definitely expects us to do it.

In the end, people don't like being told their easy or false gospel is false, so we can expect them to get angry when they are told....that simple.

The rule is to focus on the teaching, not the people. I would suggest people follow it if they want to stay on site to tell people the truth.

 

[April_Rose]

Yes it was and I remember you from there! We were friends there too but i had a different name. I was "Lord Give Me a Sign"

Sorry i wasnt sure at first. It was your personality that seemed familiar to me but your username didnt ring a bell somehow lol im so bad at remembering names

Oh okay, well your username seems vaguely familiar anyways. :) (I was banned there myself.)

 

[TheslightestID]

Best thing to do is report and let the moderators just look things over.


The rule is to focus on the teaching, not the people. I would suggest people follow it if they want to stay on site to tell people the truth.

Jesus focused on Satan....a lot.

Teaching against false prophecy, is to teach against the false prophet.

 

[Amazed@grace]

There is nothing true about it, we start sinning regularly and do evil after being saved and we are out of there, and bluntly making that point is the only way to make it, like Jesus did in the following scripture...there are some things we simply don't go easy on, or dance around.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

IOW, if we live evil lives even if we claim to believe, then we do not believe all that Christ has told us, but only the easy part some false teachers will tell us. As the scripture says, all that matters is if we do evil, we live that way, then we will be raised to be condemned....period. Christ made it very simple, just as he has a great habit of doing.

People need to know the truth before some false teacher convinces them their "truth", or way to hell is the truth. We are talking about a possible eternity in hell here for seekers if the truth is not fully understood.

There is entirely too much at stake here, so speak the truth both bluntly, and loudly whenever necessary.

This is what I see you missing about OSAS.
It's true.
That truth that Jesus taught as the eternal Gospel of God's irrevocable gift of grace .

The idea or teaching that presents itself in opposition to that cites those behaviors you posted as evidences for why OSAS is false.

However, in reality all those behaviors you describe are actually evidence those committing those sins, and worse, cannot lose Salvation.

Because one cannot lose what they never had.

Nominal christians existence and poor examples are not evidence OSAS is false.
Their claiming they are washed clean, and are reborn in Christ is.

 

[Truman]

used by some here who think to use that language best represents their understanding of scripture, and their relationship with Christ?

Those words, and the spirit that gives them thought, and "breath" on forums is that which we are to be on guard against in this world. Right?
Not giving it a platform in these forums.
Right?

Imagine Evangelizing like this:
"Yeah? Well, you're too stupid to know what the bible says do don't try to argue scripture with me! Grow up Moron! "

We're a little pocket on a web that covers the world.

We have no idea how many people are out there looking for a way to discover what it is like to live as Christians in community, communing, with the holy spirit.
Or, are looking to see if we walk the talk of Jesus by our example.

So, why does hostility, disrespect, insults, intentions to hurt one another's feelings, or belittle our faith, etc... enter in?


What's the church here have to say?

Thank you for reading.:)

Excellent question...when you get the answer, can you please let me know? :)

 

[Truman]

Was it CF (.com) by any chance?

I may be going out on a limb here, but...do you think that perhaps, you may be just a little, tiny bit...mouthy? :)

 

[Amazed@grace]

Excellent question...when you get the answer, can you please let me know? :)

We both shall know if the answer appears here. ;):)

 

[GEN2REV]

what's with the name calling, insults,pejoratives
used by some here who think to use that language best represents their understanding of scripture, and their relationship with Christ?

You will know them by their fruits ... every good tree bears good fruit.
(Matthew 7:16-20)

There must be obvious divisions, and difference in behavior/speech, among us ... that we may know who truly belong to Him.
(1 Corinthians 11:19)

 

[TheslightestID]

Their claiming they are washed clean, and are reborn in Christ is.

And after doing that, and as Jesus said, if they begin to live a life of doing evil, they lose their salvation, and they will be raised from the dead to be condemned, making OSAS null and void.

When you abused the scripture about no one being able to pluck them out of his hand, you forget the things that Christ taught us we must do, meaning, if we do as Christ told us to do, then, and only then will no one will be able to pluck them from his hand. Stop teaching half truths....please.

Jesus said; “Those who believe in the Son have eternal life, but those who do not obey the Son will never have life. God’s anger stays on them.” John 3:36

 

[Truman]

You will know them by their fruits ... every good tree bears good fruit.
(Matthew 7:16-20)

There must be obvious divisions, and difference in behavior/speech, among us ... that we may know who truly belong to Him.
(1 Corinthians 11:19)

I believe one can be a saved idiot...I know sometimes I am. ::)