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So....The New Earth and Heaven

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Warrior, May 22, 2013.

  1. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, Purity.

    Yes, I DO believe that "God is going to send a literal fire and consume the whole earth and the heavens also," particularly since the word "heavens" means the "SKIES" or the "ATMOSPHERE" around this planet.

    Yes, I DO believe that "when God is called a consuming fire" He is LITERALLY a Fire (not "ON fire"). Can you read Exodus 19 and NOT believe that God is a consuming Fire?!

    Consider all these examples (and the list is FAR greater)!


    Genesis 19:24-25
    24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
    25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
    KJV

    Exodus 3:2
    2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
    KJV

    Exodus 13:21-22
    21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
    22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
    KJV

    Exodus 19:16-20
    16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
    17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
    18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
    19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
    20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
    KJV

    Exodus 24:17-18
    17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.
    18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.
    KJV

    Leviticus 10:1-2
    1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
    2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
    KJV

    Numbers 9:15-16
    15 And on the day that the tabernacle was reared up the cloud covered the tabernacle, namely, the tent of the testimony: and at even there was upon the tabernacle as it were the appearance of fire, until the morning.
    16 So it was alway: the cloud covered it by day, and the appearance of fire by night.
    KJV


    Deuteronomy 4:23-24
    23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.
    24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
    KJV

    Deuteronomy 18:15-16
    15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
    16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
    KJV

    Deuteronomy 32:21-22
    21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
    22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
    KJV

    1 Kings 18:21-39
    21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
    22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
    23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
    24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
    25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
    26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
    27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
    28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
    29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
    30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.
    31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
    32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
    33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.
    34 And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.
    35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
    36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
    37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
    38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
    39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
    KJV

    2 Kings 1:10-14
    10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
    11 Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly.
    12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
    13 And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight.
    14 Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.
    KJV

    Psalm 18:6-14
    6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.
    7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
    8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
    9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
    10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.
    11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
    12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
    13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
    14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.
    KJV

    Psalm 21:7-9
    7 For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved.
    8 Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.
    9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
    KJV

    Psalm 50:1-6
    1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
    2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
    3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
    4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
    5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
    6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
    KJV

    Psalm 68:1-4
    1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
    2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.
    3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.
    4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
    KJV

    Psalm 104:1-5
    1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
    2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
    3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
    4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
    5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
    KJV

    Psalm 106:16-18
    16 They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the LORD.
    17 The earth opened and swallowed up Dathan, and covered the company of Abiram.
    18 And a fire was kindled in their company; the flame burned up the wicked.
    KJV

    Isaiah 4:4-6
    4 When the LORD shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
    5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
    6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.
    KJV

    Isaiah 30:30
    30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
    KJV

    Isaiah 30:33
    33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
    KJV

    Isaiah 66:15-16
    15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
    KJV

    Ezekiel 8:1-2
    1 And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the LORD God fell there upon me.
    2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
    KJV

    Ezekiel 10:1-7
    1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.
    2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
    3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.
    4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the Lord's glory.
    5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
    6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
    7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
    KJV

    Daniel 3:20-25
    20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace.
    21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
    22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego.
    23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
    24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
    25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
    KJV

    Micah 1:3-4
    3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
    4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.
    KJV

    Hebrews 12:28-29
    28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
    29 For our God is a consuming fire.
    KJV

    Now, tell me that this is some metaphorical allegory! Our God IS A CONSUMING FIRE!!!

    However, when I say that God will destroy the "heavens and the earth with fire," I don't believe that "heavens" is talking about such a thing as "God's abode" nor is it space and the countless stars. He is talking about destroying the ATMOSPHERE of this planet. Also, the "earth" is not talking about the whole globe, the whole planet, but is just talking about the SURFACE of the earth! All He has to do to destroy the works of mankind is go no deeper than 7 miles. Most of the accomplishments of mankind are founded within the first mile below the earth's surface. The "destruction of the heavens and the earth" is a PURGING of the earth! It happens AFTER the first 1000 years of the Messiah's reign and BEFORE the "new heavens and the new earth ... wherein dwelleth righteousness" (2 Peter 3:13). Furthermore, it happens WITH or JUST BEFORE the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:7-15).

    And, I believe these matters need to be revealed to YOU by the Ruach haQodesh Elohiym (the Holy Spirit of God)! It's not just some "spiritual" jargon! IT'S REALITY! IT'S CONCRETE! IT'S PHYSICAL! WAKE UP!!!
     
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