Even now are many antichrists deceiving many. But there will be tribulation when the last major one begins to rule....that will involve the strong delusion I believe.
Spiritual Declension in the Church and in the World
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quietthinker
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What greater strong delusion is there when God is tarred with the attributes and character of the devil and it is believed?
I'm thinking of the teaching that God will burn people for eternity in unremitting flames. Imagine that! Many humans are kinder than that
Amen, I agree. Babel all over again, nothing new under the sun, what has been will be again. Babylon...Mystery Babylon. But God has said in His word that friendship with the world is enmity with Him and we are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers but be separate from them, from the world. Merging/yoking/being one with the world/unbelievers is apostasy....it kind of defines it, I believe.
The wages of sin is death..........God has declared it and cannot go back on His word, for that is also part of His character. Just look around at all the horrendous suffering in this world already, under His sovereign rule...if you can bear it, because it is unbearable. I have come to believe the second death is probably just that, death. There will be suffering for a period of time and to the degree that exactly suits the sins committed by each individual (maybe minus what they already have suffered in this life) - God's perfect justice being also part of his character - and then I believe they will be no more. "Fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell." His love and mercy have already been revealed in His Son., for those vessels of mercy who take hold of Him.....but His just wrath is also part of His character. "Man is like the beasts that perish." All have already been granted the gift of temporal life in this world, and God doesn't owe eternal life to any, but graciously made a way to grant it to those who would receive His Son. That's how I see this, but you think about it. People who essentially are accusing the Lord of being unrighteous in judgment, to me they are only seeing the cup half empty. He has done all that could be done at great cost to reach out to this fallen race of humanity.
Do you agree that there will be a new deception and what will it be? When I say new I mean the revival of one not seen for a while as there is nothing new under the sun
We are to be humans united with Christ, as was shown when Jesus was conceived, man united with the Almighty. This is to restore us to what we should have been in Adam - innocent then becoming united as we feed from the tree of life.
Agreed. The deceptions are ancient....just revitalized with a new spin.
Intimacy with God is also an ancient event/idea. Jesus comes to us and offers us to follow Him to be where He is. Most have no idea of that. But a disciple is learning how to make himself/herself more available to that kind of invitation.
amigo de christo
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Have you noticed it yet sister . Have you seen what is behind it all .
A DELSION has come and has prepared this people into a rebellious people
who always accuse the very GOD for being mean
But have no idea ITS WHY GOD WARNED THEM ALL . GOD desired NOT the death of the wicked
but rather their repentance . But it seems to me many had rather ACCUSE the maker
and say WHY HAVE YOU DONE THUS
rather than HEARING HIM and repenting of their sin .
Many try to make GOD , THE GOD into a monster
and reshape another god , a god that just cannot do unto the unrpentant
what he says WILL COME UPON THE UNREPENANT .
AND rather than preaching JESUS and rather than correcting sins and errors in the church
THEY RATHER OMIT the SEVERITY OF GOD and recreate a false goodness of God .
And that false goodness in no way HONORS THE SON OR THE FATHER . IT calls HIM A LIAR .
AND do remember GOD has always desired OBEDIEANCE and THE GLORY .
And our repentance GIVES HIM THE GLORY . someone lying to this generation
and has recreated an image of a god that IT calls love and IT says is loving and IT even be GOD to them .
ONLY . WELL , GOD DONT LIE but the devil , oh he do . That is who is lying and twisting
and recreating a false love and a false REAL BRAOD goodness that accepts sins and unbelief .
AND it cannot save them .
You didn't say what the deception will be or whether you agree that the incarnation is a type of union with Christ.
amigo de christo
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They lie to you my friend . I know exactly what a true incluisiviain believes .
And oh yeah they can use the name of JESUS and will use the name of JESUS
and even use quite a few of his teachings .
BUT NOT TO POINT TO THE DIRE NECESSITY TO FIRST bELIEVE ON HIM .
I KNOW what they believe . I learned all about it in a library for myself .
And if what i say next seems hard to beleive to you , THEN YOU watch him and watch what he did and said to me
And then what he did and said about me
WHEN I EVEN Preached the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS to an ATHIEST .
THEY LIE TO YOU . they lie to me . the true gopsel IS IN THE WAY to them .
THEY DO NOT BELIEVE ONE MUST BLEIVE ON JESUS .
They bleieve in something else and that is A LIE .
The man told me weeks back to basically go preach the dire need to believe on JESUS
to others and not the church .
AND YET even when i did preach the dire need to beleive on JESUS to an atheist
HE WAS THERE and HE CALLED IT RELIGOIUS extremism .
YOU WOULD SHUDDER if you seen what he was trying to tell that atheist . AND IT DARN SURE WAS NOT the need
to bELIEVE ON JESUS .
BUT YOU GO and YOU READ for yourself what HE said to the athiest
THEN read what i told the atheist
THEN READ what he called that . RELGIOIUS EXTREMISM .
WHY me oh my . IF i am a religious extremists for preaching the gopsel to an athiest
OR for reminding the church , AS DID PAUL and them all about the oen true gopsel .
THEN WHO YA THINK he would have called a religoius extremeist SEEING THEY ALL preached THE DIRE NEED to
BELIEVE ON JESUS . why it would have been JESUS and the apotels epi called a RELGIOUS extremist .
We better all wake up fast . Cause if any brings another gospel
and calls the one true gospel RELIGOUS extremism , I WOULD NOT HEED SUCH A ONE .
Marvelloustime
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@amigo de christo is getting called an extremist by Epi and his gang for believing in this and believing in every word of the Bible.
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quietthinker
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PTSD is the hell of living with the consequences of one's choices/ actions.
Suffering is inbuilt in sin....though others don't necessarily see it. Yes, hell is real but it's not the mythical unending flames and pitchfork often understood as such.
It is sinners who want to see others suffer for what they deem infractions. God has no such motivations.
ScottA
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It is interesting that you used the word "declension" in the title:
Declension means the changing of a word's form to show its grammatical role, or a downward slope and deterioration.
Did you just mean spiritual decline, or also "the changing of a word's form to show its grammatical role?" That--considering the words of scripture to be "grammatical" and not spirit--certainly has caused a decline...for even the teachers of the Word have mostly abandoned the spiritual meaning for the literary meaning.
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I intended it solely as a deterioration in virtue, declining spiritual awareness, general falling away from a former consecration into worldliness and desire for pleasure and money. In some cases, such as was that which affected the Catholic Church from even the earliest centuries, was a decline into superstition and fables. It happened to Israel at the time of Christ. And it happened in the mid 19th century to all the Protestant churches throughout the world.
At a meeting of the presbytery of Philadelphia, Mr. Barnes, author of the commentary so widely used, and pastor of one of the leading churches in that city, “stated that he had been in the ministry for twenty years, and never till the last communion had he administered the ordinance without receiving more or less into the church. But now there are no awakenings, no conversions, not much apparent growth in grace in professors, and none come to his study to converse about the salvation of their souls. With the increase of business, and the brightening prospects of commerce and manufactures, there is an increase of worldly-mindedness. Thus it is with all denominations.”
In the month of February of the same year, Professor Finney, of Oberlin College, said: “We have had the facts before our minds, that, in general, the Protestant churches of our country, as such, were either apathetic or hostile to nearly all the moral reforms of the age. There are partial exceptions, yet not enough to render the fact otherwise than general. We have also another corroborative fact,—the almost universal absence of revival influence in the churches. The spiritual apathy is almost all-pervading, and is fearfully deep; so the religious press of the whole land testifies. Very extensively, church-members are becoming devotees of fashion, joining hands with the ungodly in parties of pleasure, in dancing, in festivities, etc. But we need not expand this painful subject. Suffice it that the evidence thickens and rolls heavily upon us, to show that the churches generally are becoming sadly degenerate. They have gone very far from the Lord, and he has withdrawn himself from them.”
And a writer in the Religious Telescope testified: “We have never witnessed such a general declension as at present. Truly, the church should awake, and search into the cause of this affliction; for an affliction every one that loves Zion must view it. When we call to mind how few and far between cases of true conversion are, and the almost unparalleled impenitence and hardness of sinners, we almost involuntarily exclaim, ‘Has God forgotten to be gracious? or is the door of mercy closed?’”
Such a condition never exists without cause in the church itself. The spiritual darkness which falls upon nations, upon churches and individuals, is due, not to an arbitrary withdrawal of the merits of divine grace on the part of God, but to neglect or rejection of divine light on the part of men. As i said earlier, a striking illustration of this truth is presented in the history of the Jewish people in the time of Christ. By their devotion to the world and forgetfulness of God and his Word, their understanding had become darkened, their hearts earthly and sensual. Thus they were in ignorance concerning Messiah’s advent, and in their pride and unbelief they rejected the Redeemer. God did not even then cut off the Jewish nation from a knowledge of, or a participation in, the blessings of salvation. But those who rejected the truth lost all desire for the gift of Heaven. They had “put darkness for light, and light for darkness,” until the light which was in them became darkness; and how great was that darkness! History is repeating. The church today to a great extent has set its trust in emotionalism, and believe having a good time is equivalent to spirituality, and call it revival. The church today recognises the sin and depravity all around, but believes Caesar can make the necessary changes. They have abandoned God in favour of a human king, and respond to whatever the king says with more enthusiasm than what the Lord says. They deny this of course. Caesar apparently is God's chosen vessel.
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Taken
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Spiritual Declension in the Church and in the World
Yes…
Society ( the citizens of any Nation ), will Dictate What they Approve…
And the Puppets (kings of Nations) will Concur TO maintain their Seat in Their Favor…FOR their own Coffer.
And the Puppet Masters (Approx under 300 persons)… have NO CARE, what the World citizenry, thinks, believes, supports, gossips, struggles, builds, destroys, blah, blah, blah….
As long AS their Coffers steadily Increase.
Amen. I believe it follows the same pattern as with Eve and the serpent at the Tree of Knowledge. Looking closely at that account and unpacking the elements of it. The serpent was the original antichrist.
I would point out that there are also those who suffer PTSD because of the sins of others. But yes, there is suffering in this world as well, which serves as a type/shadow and warning of what can come to those who reject Christ. For His suffering people, judgment is beginning with His house, that we not be judged with the world when that day comes.
But what does this below mean to you? I hope nobody "wants" to see anyone suffer, however in spite of our (and God) not "wanting" it, God's word does indicate that it is going to happen:
2Th 1:7-10
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Rom 9:21-23
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew (reveal) his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known (reveal) the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Seems to be two sides to His character....one is mercy the other is wrath.
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