Split From - Does repentance Always require a full (tear jerking ) breakdown ?

[John S]

HS - "We are saved - YES - but we are also in the process of being saved".
That's a contradiction. You are either saved or you are in the process of being saved. You CANNOT be both.
As I have stated before, it is my belief that this whole idea of being saved is wrong. No one is actually saved until God allows that person's soul into Heaven. That sounds like it is more in line with the Eastern churches point of view.

 

[Angelina]

John S

it is my belief that this whole idea of being saved is wrong. No one is actually saved until God allows that person's soul into Heaven. That sounds like it is more in line with the Eastern churches point of view.

All mankind came under the penalty of death due to Adams fall. Romans 5:12. The Law of sin and death came in four hundred and thirty years after God gave the promise of salvation to Abraham through Christ [the seed]. Galatians 3:17, Romans 5:13-14. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses. God foreseeing the future, ensured that the Gentile nations would also have the opportunity of salvation through that same promise, by faith. Galatians 3:8, 14

I do not profess to know or understand all that was achieved by Christ's death on the cross but in essence -

Hebrews 9
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

* Without Christ's death on the cross on our behalf, we would still be under the penalty of Adam's fall and unable to receive the eternal inheritance promised to Abraham and all those who believe in Christ by faith.

* Without Christ's death on the cross on our behalf, we would not be able to receive the promised "Holy Spirit" John 16:7, Ephesians 1:13, Acts 2:33
The Holy Spirit being the - seal of our redemption. Ephesians 4:30. A deposit guaranteeing that redemption Ephesians 1:14. A deposit guaranteeing what is to come. 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:4-6.

* Without Christ's death and resurrection we would not have eternal life Romans 8:11, 1 Corinthians 6:14, 1 Peter 1:21....AND this is the Gospel message that we all believe in by faith... :)

Romans 10
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Christ will come again to redeem those who are waiting for him, into their eternal inheritance...

Hebrews 9
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Ephesians 1:14
who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Shalom!!!

 

[Rex]

Hebrews 9
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Ephesians 1:14
who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Christ will come again to redeem those who are waiting for him, into their eternal inheritance...

Shalom!!!

Dito that,

John S


All mankind came under the penalty of death due to Adams fall. Romans 5:12. The Law of sin and death came in four hundred and thirty years after God gave the promise of salvation to Abraham through Christ [the seed]. Galatians 3:17, Romans 5:13-14. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses. God foreseeing the future, ensured that the Gentile nations would also have the opportunity of salvation through that same promise, by faith. Galatians 3:8, 14

I do not profess to know or understand all that was achieved by Christ's death on the cross but in essence -

Hebrews 9
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Without Christ death on the cross on our behalf, we would still be under the penalty of Adam's fall and unable to receive the eternal inheritance promised to Abraham and all those who believe in Christ by faith.

Without Christ death on the cross on our behalf, we would not be able to receive the promised "Holy Spirit" John 16:7, Ephesians 1:13, Acts 2:33
The Holy Spirit being the - seal of our redemption. Ephesians 4:30. A deposit guaranteeing that redemption Ephesians 1:14. A deposit guaranteeing what is to come. 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:4-6

Hebrews 9
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Ephesians 1:14
who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Christ will come again to redeem those who are waiting for him, into their eternal inheritance...

Shalom!!!

Nice post Angelina, proper hermeneutics top to bottom.
John 14:23-31

23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching (repentance). My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them (Born of the Promise or Spirit).

The law is a tutor
Gal 3:22-25

1 Peter 1:4-7

 

[ScottAU]

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[fredconk]

John S ,
First of all God and sin cannot coexist it is like turning on a light bulb in a total pitch black room .Heaven is full of light no darkness at all
PLEASE consider these 2 versus

In Luke 23:43 ; True Jesus and a certain malefactor were in a bit of a predicament . But they were both very much still alive ; and Ephesians 2:8 says " For by Grace you are SAVED through FAITH ; and not of yourselves ; it is the GIFT of GOD .

From John S : No one is actually saved until God allows that person's soul into Heaven.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

As I have stated before, it is my belief that this whole idea of being saved(actually in scripture- continuous/present tense) is wrong. No one is actually saved until God allows that person's soul into Heaven. That sounds like it is more in line with the Eastern churches point of view.

It seems to me what you're really saying is we can't be 'assured of our salvation', until we get past those gates into the eternal city.

Why? I think you're saying that WE may fall short of the requirement and therefore be disqualified in the race. Or alternatively stated, our faith becomes shipwrecked.

Therefore OSAS is a hoax?

How close am I? :)



NB:I ask, at what point has or does God guarantee the soul into heaven. Is it a physical act you're relying on or a verbal approval from Jesus Christ himself. Also, what is faith?

 

[John S]

So we can claim to be saved, commit a murder, a rape, or some other heinous sin, and STILL be saved.

I tend to doubt that God is that lenient.

The OSAS doctrine is a piece of (fecal matter).

 

[Angelina]

I do not believe in OSAS either John S. The points I have made in my post, have nothing to do with that doctrine.... :huh:

Shalom!!!

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

So we can claim to be saved, commit a murder, a rape, or some other heinous sin, and STILL be saved.

I tend to doubt that God is that lenient.

The OSAS doctrine is a piece of (fecal matter).​

That's not very nice Johno. :)

 

[Angelina]

The guarantee of our eternal salvation is the presence of the Holy Spirit indwelling our lives...The Holy Spirit being the - seal of our redemption, our guarantee of our eternal inheritance

John 16:7, Ephesians 1:13, Acts 2:33, Ephesians 4:30. Ephesians 1:14. . 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:4-6.

Shalom!!!